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Renewed Attack on Privacy of Gun Buyers
NRA - ILA ^ | May 02, 2008 | NA

Posted on 05/03/2008 12:54:42 AM PDT by neverdem


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Renewed Attack on Privacy of Gun Buyers
 
Friday, May 02, 2008
 

This week, anti-gun U.S. Senator Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ) introduced National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) registration legislation that would invade the privacy rights of law-abiding gun owners.

Cosponsored by like-minded Sens. Robert Menendez (D-NJ), Carl Levin (D-MI), Joseph Lieberman (I-CT), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Jack Reed (D-RI), and Charles Schumer (D-NY), S. 2935 would, among other things, require the FBI to retain records of cleared firearm transactions for at least 180 days.  Current law requires federally-licensed firearm dealers to conduct a background check on a prospective buyer using NICS prior to selling a firearm.  NICS creates an audit log of the purchase during the course of the search.  Under current Justice Department regulations, those records must be destroyed within 24 hours to preserve the lawful purchaser’s privacy.  The Clinton Administration originally proposed keeping these records for as long as 180 days.  NRA successfully fought to reduce this time period to 24 hours.  Lautenberg’s legislation would undo this regulation. 

Once again trying to create a link where none exists, Lautenberg opined, “We must overturn the ill-conceived law mandating destruction of this data so we can successfully combat gun violence and terrorism in America.” 

This latest anti-gun scheme should further remind gun owners of the importance of this year’s elections.  S. 2935 demonstrates that threats to our Second Amendment rights remain very much alive.  Sen. Lautenberg has a long and well-documented anti-gun record, and in sponsoring legislation that is a gross invasion of law-abiding gun owners’ privacy, his intentions are clearly aimed at further restriction of those rights. For voter registration information for the 2008 elections, please visit:  www.nraila.org/vote2008.



Find this item at: http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=3897


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1 posted on 05/03/2008 12:54:43 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Liberal idiots are still under the impression that law biding gun owners buy guns to commit crimes - how stupid can you get.
2 posted on 05/03/2008 1:11:09 AM PDT by Herakles (Diversity is code word for anti-white racism)
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To: Herakles

It’s just another attempt to incrementally take away another of our freedoms.

It’s for the children


3 posted on 05/03/2008 1:37:59 AM PDT by South Dakota
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To: neverdem

The PROTECT (Preserving Records of Terrorist and Criminal Transactions) Act.

http://lautenberg.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=296871

http://www.bradycampaign.org/media/release.php?release=977


4 posted on 05/03/2008 1:56:12 AM PDT by endthematrix (Now that we use our corn for fuel, when do we eat coal for dinner?)
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To: neverdem

“We must overturn the ill-conceived law mandating destruction of this data so we can successfully combat gun violence and terrorism in America.”

Oh yes. It’s common knowledge that all terrorists obtain their weapons lawfully with a comprehensive audit trail.

We’ll be able to track them better now.


5 posted on 05/03/2008 3:38:06 AM PDT by Califreak (Hangin' with Hunter-under the bus "Dread and Circuses")
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To: neverdem
The offspring of Hitler are at it again. They are members of the Royal 100 Club which does not care what the Constitution says as long as they are in the Royal elite club.
6 posted on 05/03/2008 4:33:59 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the Royal 100 Club)
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To: neverdem

Just say no! No you cannot have my firearms and be willing to stand your grfound. There will be no victory if you’re afraid of the battle.


7 posted on 05/03/2008 4:41:57 AM PDT by JamesA
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To: YOUGOTIT

Great Campaign strategy by the Dems...pulling their idiot anti gun crap when both the D candidates have been id’d as gun grabbers!


8 posted on 05/03/2008 4:43:23 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: neverdem
National Instant Check System (NICS). It's purpose is to check the background of gun buyers making most kinds of transfers (sales & pawn redemptions) at FFLs nationwide. It is not supposed to be used to collect and permanently store personal information on gun purchasers. Also, right now the NICS operator does not record the information on the gun(s) being purchased (transfered).

The NICS system could easily be combined with NFR (National Firearms Registry) almost over night. First they need to expand the storage capacity from 24 hours to 180 days to permanent. Then they need to collect the data on both the transferee and firearm on any firearm leaving the FFLs premises (sales, pawn, consignment and repairs). Then they need to subject all firearm transfers, including those between individuals, to the NICS check. Then make the possession of firearms subject to the NICS check. Then change the name from NICS to NFR and there you have it; in place and ready for the next step.

9 posted on 05/03/2008 5:09:49 AM PDT by bruoz
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To: Herakles
"Liberal idiots are still under the impression that law biding gun owners buy guns to commit crimes - how stupid can you get."

Liberal idiots think that anyone (except their bodyguards) having a gun is a crime.

10 posted on 05/03/2008 5:20:27 AM PDT by bruoz
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To: neverdem

The NRA does great work but is sometimes deaf to political philosophy. They support candidates on gun rights alone, which ended up as supporting Howard Dean in VT because of the gun laws in that state. The NRA should never support any, ANY, Democrat because that support turns into party politics, which produces bills like this.

/rant


11 posted on 05/03/2008 5:35:20 AM PDT by Morgan in Denver (The "P" in Democrat stands for Patriot.......)
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To: Herakles
Liberal idiots are NOT under the impression that law biding gun owners buy guns to commit crimes-the liberals simply loathe the very idea of individual independence and rights,with the exception of sexual license.Today's liberal wants to feel that no one has the power to resist any governmental coercion or policy.

The second amendment was never about anything but restraining the tyrants who inevitably arise in any form of government.

12 posted on 05/03/2008 6:02:26 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: neverdem

Another attempt by the Liberal wingnut DhimmiRats to circumvent the language and intent of the Second Amendment.

Time to write the congress critters, again...and, again...and, again.

These folks need to wake up to the reality that the criminal types don’t give a whip about this garbage. This type of legislation serves only to put additional, illegal, needless constraints on the law abiding folks in the US.

It’s all in the tagline...


13 posted on 05/03/2008 6:29:23 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion)
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To: Morgan in Denver

The NRA supports pro-gun dems so we wouldn’t have bills like this.

By supporting pro-gun candidates in both parties, gun control will no longer be an issue and it will eliminate the Them Vs. Us games.


14 posted on 05/03/2008 7:31:51 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Understood.  This is why the challenge is to find and elect better Republicans. 

I know a number of pro gun Democrats and that's not the problem.  It's the leadership Democrats have that leads their party.  Newly elected Democrats cannot overcome their leadership, IMHO. 

Likewise, gun issues need to be another of the many litmus tests we use with Republican candidates.  Too often, in the past, we have accepted a Republican candidate and overlooked some of their core values and beliefs.  Not just with guns but on a host of issues.  I could support a Republican who is wrong on gun issues as long as he is right on the others.  Likewise, I won't support a Democrat who is right on guns alone since he would follow the socialistic group think of the Democrat Party.



15 posted on 05/03/2008 7:45:01 AM PDT by Morgan in Denver (The "P" in Democrat stands for Patriot.......)
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To: endthematrix; Travis McGee; Joe Brower; El Gato; Squantos; wardaddy; Jeff Head
Thanks for the links, endthematrix.

I can't believe these nitwits are abandoning their 2006 election strategy, i.e. shut up about gun control and act like they like the RKBA. IIRC, it was part of Schumer's strategy in recruiting Webb and Tester to take back the Senate! Ditto with Rahm Emanuel and his recruiting plan to take back the House then. Now Schumer is cosponsoring this? I can't imagine what they are thinking now. Maybe they're drunk with power? Maybe because with either BHO or Billary, they think they got nothing to lose?

It's A Gift!

If the GOP plays its cards right, they can take back Congress, IMHO.

16 posted on 05/03/2008 11:27:59 AM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: Morgan in Denver
The NRA should never support any, ANY, Democrat because that support turns into party politics, which produces bills like this.

I agree. Pro gun democrats are still democrats, who keep the democrat party in the majority, who set the agenda, which leads to anti-gun crap like this.

17 posted on 05/03/2008 11:33:33 AM PDT by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: aomagrat

I agree, and I agree with your sig line. I’ve said for years that gun controls should always and only apply to Democrats. Democrats should never be allowed to own a gun of any kind. Gun owners must be responsible for their actions, and that’s a foreign concept to Democrats.


18 posted on 05/03/2008 12:12:16 PM PDT by Morgan in Denver (The "P" in Democrat stands for Patriot.......)
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To: Morgan in Denver; aomagrat
Understood. This is why the challenge is to find and elect better Republicans.

I know a number of pro gun Democrats and that's not the problem. It's the leadership Democrats have that leads their party. Newly elected Democrats cannot overcome their leadership, IMHO.

IMHO, the GOP doesn't want better Republicans. They are quite happy with RINOs. If they wanted conservatives, they would close their primaries. RKBA donkeys got rid of a lot of our RINOs in 2006, e.g. DeWine, Chafee, etc. So, in a perverse sort of way, the NRA is doing what the RNC refuses to do, i.e. purge our ranks of Rockefeller liberals.

It's weird, but conservatives only seem to win when the liberals overreach, e.g. 1994. That's when they pick up libertarian voters. In 2006 when the GOP directed their appeal to social conservatives, e.g. the ban on online gambling, the libertarian vote was lost. The Libertarian vote was the margin of victory for Webb in Virginia and Tester in Montana, IIRC.

So, I'm happy as a pig in slop with this blunder by the donkeys. In the Senate they propose crap like this to supposedly protect us from terrorists, but in the House they won't renew the legislation to spy on terrorists. We have two stupid parties. The GOP IS NOT ALONE.

19 posted on 05/03/2008 12:39:59 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: neverdem

I agree, and that’s why I tell friends to not leave the
Republican party but to actively work from within it, taking it back for all of us.

The only way the Republican Party will move more to the right is if enough conservatives win over or over power the liberal wing of our party.


20 posted on 05/03/2008 1:23:11 PM PDT by Morgan in Denver (The "P" in Democrat stands for Patriot.......)
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To: neverdem; Just A Nobody; Joe Brower; AnnaZ; Eaker

In the interest of equal time, the publishing of this database makes it simple to publish a list of gun NON-buyers....

...which will include a lot of criminals, and those the criminals want to safely rob.

Buy a gun and stay on the legal buyer list! ;^)


21 posted on 05/03/2008 3:59:26 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: neverdem

Great, my Congresscritter sponsored it.


22 posted on 05/03/2008 10:41:41 PM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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23 posted on 05/04/2008 1:52:52 AM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: neverdem
The Clinton Administration originally proposed keeping these records for as long as 180 days. NRA successfully fought to reduce this time period to 24 hours. Lautenberg’s legislation would undo this regulation.

Once again trying to create a link where none exists, Lautenberg opined, “We must overturn the ill-conceived law mandating destruction of this data so we can successfully combat gun violence and terrorism in America.”

Even Lautenberg admits that the law requires the records to be destroyed after the transfer is approved. He no doubt voted for the Brady Bill which is the law that requires the NICS check and destruction of the record. The Clinton administration was in violation of the law by NOT destroying the records immediately. But then again the Clinton's have always been above the law.

24 posted on 05/04/2008 9:16:27 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: bruoz
First they need to expand the storage capacity from 24 hours to 180 days to permanent.

Even now it's probably permanent. Just depends whether the computers are backed up before or after the records are "destroyed". At 180 days there would be multiple full backups, along with the incremental ones which would catch the transactions the day they occurred.

25 posted on 05/04/2008 9:19:12 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: neverdem
If the GOP plays its cards right, they can take back Congress, IMHO.

I tend to disagree, at least as far as this bill goes at least. Most folks could care less if gun owners are registered. Even many gun owners. As long as they get to keep their bird gun or fancy trap/skeet piece, they are happy.

Of course that bird gun can be converted to an assault shotgun with a little hacksaw work, something the graboids will "discover" as soon they grab most everything else.

26 posted on 05/04/2008 9:23:10 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


27 posted on 05/04/2008 10:06:18 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: neverdem

I won’t be voting for Mr. Levin this fall. I never voted for him in the first place.


28 posted on 05/04/2008 12:10:34 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: neverdem
Now let's see which of our senatorial Presential candidates return to cast a vote on this and see how they vote in order to keep as much of the elctorate sheeple in their respective corners as possible. LOL That would be a mighty interesting tap dance!
29 posted on 05/05/2008 9:25:28 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: El Gato
I tend to disagree, at least as far as this bill goes at least. Most folks could care less if gun owners are registered. Even many gun owners. As long as they get to keep their bird gun or fancy trap/skeet piece, they are happy.

I'm not talking about the Zumbos. I'm talking about single issue RKBA voters who are as sick of the incompetent pubbies as they are sick of the marxists. They had no reason to vote in 2006 unless they had a local reason because the marxists ran RKBA donkeys for both Houses of Congress. The marxists finally bought a clue. We lost the Congress.

A similar reasoning applies to the loss of votes from small 'l' libertarians and votes for Libertarians seeking office, i.e. in 2006 donkeys didn't threaten the RKBA. IIRC, the number of votes for the Libertarian nominees for the Senate in Montana and Virginia exceeded the margins that Tester beat Burns and Webb beat Allen, respectively.

30 posted on 05/05/2008 12:36:48 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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