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S243 THE GLOBAL POVERTY ACT A THREAT TO 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS; sponsored by OBAMA
Newsmax ^ | 5/4/08 | Kackikat

Posted on 05/04/2008 3:03:05 PM PDT by Kackikat

WorldNetDaily.com quotes Cliff Kincaid of Accuracy in Media as saying:

"The bill defines the term 'Millennium Development Goals' as the goals set out in the United Nations Millennium Declaration..."

"In addition to seeking to eradicate poverty, that declaration commits nations to banning 'small arms and light weapons' and ratifying a series of treaties, including the International Criminal Court Treaty, the Kyoto Protocol (global warming treaty), the Convention on Biological Diversity, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women, and the Convention on the Rights of the Child."

(Excerpt) Read more at cfiflistmanager.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: 110th; confiscatorytaxation; constitution; extortion; kyoto; obama; poverty; reparations; reverseracism; s243
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Biden announced that S243 The GLOBAL POVERTY ACT sponsored by SEN BARAK OBAMA is soon coming up for a vote, and it was placed on the legislative calender. NOW that has been known,but WHAT IS IMPORTANT is it contains a provision from the UN to BAN 'SMALL ARMS AND LIGHT WEAPONS' IN ALL NATIONS. THIS VIOLATES OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS...and should Obama become President it could become enforceable by some idiotic laws of the dems. Please write your Senators and the President rejecting this bill, or go to the websie URL provided and fillout the form to give them notice to stop this.
1 posted on 05/04/2008 3:03:06 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Kackikat

jeezamoly!

JUST unreal!


2 posted on 05/04/2008 3:06:05 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: Kackikat

oh— and by the way....the UN can’t keep Iran from getting Nukes- good luck getting Americans to hand over their guns...

MORONS


3 posted on 05/04/2008 3:07:19 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: eeevil conservative

Once the laws are on the books, that peacekeeping force may turn deadly.


4 posted on 05/04/2008 3:09:32 PM PDT by Kackikat ((No strong national security, and the rest of issues are mute points; chaos ensues.))
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To: Kackikat

If this law is passed it will be time I think to rise up and overthrow them.


5 posted on 05/04/2008 3:11:41 PM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: Kackikat

Your bottom link gave me a 404 error.

The Newsmax link at the top of the post went to an empty page, then shut all of my browser windows & tabs.

Is it something wrong with the links; or is just more of the bad juju FR has been handing out today?


6 posted on 05/04/2008 3:12:20 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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To: ApplegateRanch

It’s a vast Free Republic conspiracy!


7 posted on 05/04/2008 3:14:10 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Kackikat

PING


8 posted on 05/04/2008 3:16:24 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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To: dragonblustar; Rome2000; mylife; PGalt; maggief; Wolverine; sheik yerbouty; HardStarboard; ...

Just wanted to give you a heads up on S243.


9 posted on 05/04/2008 3:17:16 PM PDT by Kackikat ((No strong national security, and the rest of issues are mute points; chaos ensues.))
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To: Kackikat

“that peacekeeping force may turn deadly.”

I’m not really worried about a bunch of rapists and child molestors. They usually run when a gun is pointed at them.


10 posted on 05/04/2008 3:17:47 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We have become an oligarchy not a Republic.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Click on Newsmax in red at top, and then the URL on that page, that works. I don’t know why it did that...sorry


11 posted on 05/04/2008 3:18:39 PM PDT by Kackikat ((No strong national security, and the rest of issues are mute points; chaos ensues.))
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To: ApplegateRanch
It's those damn DU moonbats again, hacking us.


12 posted on 05/04/2008 3:19:18 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Paul Krugman: Conscience Of A Crapweasel. (For lack of a better tagline at the moment.)
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To: Kackikat

A Socialist sponsors a Socialist Bill in the US Senate.
Go figure........
Seems the Founders had a very good reason to make sure the citizens had weapons.


13 posted on 05/04/2008 3:22:28 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Patriot Guard Riders - Standing for those that stood for us.)
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To: Kackikat

It’s S.2433, not S.243.

From Obama’s Senate Website:

Obama, Hagel, Cantwell, Smith Hail Committee Passage of the Global Poverty Act
Wednesday, February 13, 2008
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: Michael Ortiz (Obama), Jordan Stark (Hagel), Ciaran Clayton (Cantwell), or Derrick Crowe (Smith)

Legislation would aim to cut extreme global poverty in half by 2015

WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Senators Barack Obama (D-IL), Chuck Hagel (R-NE), and Maria Cantwell (D-WA) and Congressman Adam Smith (D-WA) today hailed the Senate Foreign Relations Committee’s passage of the Global Poverty Act (S.2433), which requires the President to develop and implement a comprehensive policy to cut extreme global poverty in half by 2015 through aid, trade, debt relief, and coordination with the international community, businesses and NGOs. This legislation was introduced in December. Smith and Congressman Spencer Bachus (R-AL) sponsored the House version of the bill (H.R. 1302), which passed the House last September.

“With billions of people living on just dollars a day around the world, global poverty remains one of the greatest challenges and tragedies the international community faces,” said Senator Obama. “It must be a priority of American foreign policy to commit to eliminating extreme poverty and ensuring every child has food, shelter, and clean drinking water. As we strive to rebuild America’s standing in the world, this important bill will demonstrate our promise and commitment to those in the developing world. Our commitment to the global economy must extend beyond trade agreements that are more about increasing corporate profits than about helping workers and small farmers everywhere. I commend Chairman Biden and Ranking Member Lugar for supporting this bill and moving it forward quickly.”

“Poverty, hunger, and disease will be among the most serious challenges confronting the world in the 21st century,” Senator Hagel said. “This legislation provides the President of the United States the framework and resources to help implement a comprehensive policy to reduce global poverty. It is the human condition that has always driven the great events of history. This is a responsibility of all citizens of the world.”

“Global poverty directly impacts our national security. We must rally private sector and government resources to eliminate extreme global poverty and to fight global disease.” said Senator Cantwell. “With more than 1.1 billion men, women and children throughout the world living on less than $1 a day, it is of the utmost importance to make sure these people get the help they need and push for sustainable economic growth. We need to do more to save lives in the poorest countries and extend our hand to people in need.”

“Global poverty is one of the greatest moral and security challenges facing the world today. Nearly 2.7 billion people live on less than $2 a day and close to a billion live on less than $1 a day. This bill represents a major advance in our effort to address global poverty. After introducing this measure in the House for the past several years, I am pleased to see the Senate Foreign Relations Committee take significant steps toward its final passage,” Congressman Smith said.

For years, America has committed to improving the lives of the world’s poorest people. In 2000, the U.S. joined more than 180 countries at the United Nations Millennium Summit and vowed to reduce global poverty by 2015. We are halfway towards this deadline, and it is time the United States makes it a priority of our foreign policy to meet this goal and help those who are struggling day to day.

The Global Poverty Act:

Declares it official U.S. policy to promote the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of cutting extreme global poverty in half by 2015.

Requires the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to carry out that policy.
Includes guidelines for what the strategy should include - from aid, trade, and debt relief, to working with the international community, businesses and NGOs, to ensuring environmental sustainability.

Requires that the President’s strategy include specific and measurable goals, efforts to be undertaken, benchmarks, and timetables.

Requires the President to report back to Congress on progress made in the implementation of the global poverty strategy.

The legislation is supported by a broad range of groups, including Bread for the World, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, CARE, Oxfam America, Habitat for Humanity International, National Wildlife Federation, Sierra Club, United Church of Christ, Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), the Borgen Project, United Methodist General Board of Church and Society, RESULTS, Micah Challenge USA, and the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America.


14 posted on 05/04/2008 3:24:43 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Amen, and we need to reach our senators and make sure they don’t put any laws on the books to open a door to CHANGE.


15 posted on 05/04/2008 3:25:41 PM PDT by Kackikat ((No strong national security, and the rest of issues are mute points; chaos ensues.))
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To: eeevil conservative
So much for "Accuracy in Media".

The UN Millennium Goals are:

If you look at the UN Millennium Declaration -- a separate document -- the only points that mention weapons are:

I'm no fan of the United Nations, but the posted article seems to be an uninformed slur.

16 posted on 05/04/2008 3:25:53 PM PDT by AZLiberty (Wipe the national hard drive and reinstall the Constitution.)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

THANKS..I must have accidently deleted a 3.


17 posted on 05/04/2008 3:27:20 PM PDT by Kackikat ((No strong national security, and the rest of issues are mute points; chaos ensues.))
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To: Kackikat

we need to kill that bill ASAP


18 posted on 05/04/2008 3:30:33 PM PDT by prophetic (God, let Obama speak utter foolishness and confound the wisdom of his counselors)
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To: Kackikat
somebody please remind me - just when did America the welfare teat of the entire world???

Americans are among the most generous people in the world with over $300 Billion annually donated by the govt, private funds, grants, scholarships, medical aid, etc, but now this Obama commie muslim dog is exploiting our generosity and sucking out our money to the ungrateful world and then wants to disarm us from our guns in one fell swoop???

NFW!!!

19 posted on 05/04/2008 3:37:55 PM PDT by prophetic (God, let Obama speak utter foolishness and confound the wisdom of his counselors)
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To: Kackikat
The bill number is S2433 with an extra 3. First off, I don't like Obama, nor would I vote for him. Period. Secondly, the UN is a threat to our 2nd Amendment rights, as is Obama.

Now that this is aside, this is a case of the boy who cried wolf where there is no wolf. The same people with dubious sources aka worldnet daily/newsmax, are saying this bill is a global tax and a gun grab. THIS bill does not do that.

Look it up and read carefully at Thomas.loc.gov

All this does is tell the president to issue a report on the UN's Millenium goals. I oppose this bill on spending grounds, but that's all it does.

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a) Strategy- The President, acting through the Secretary of State, and in consultation with the heads of other appropriate departments and agencies of the United States Government, international organizations, international financial institutions, the governments of developing and developed countries, United States and international nongovernmental organizations, civil society organizations, and other appropriate entities, shall develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

(b) Content- The strategy required by subsection (a) shall include specific and measurable goals, efforts to be undertaken, benchmarks, and timetables to achieve the objectives described in subsection (a).

(c) Components- The strategy required by subsection (a) should include the following components:

(1) Continued investment or involvement in existing United States initiatives related to international poverty reduction, such as the United States Leadership Against HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria Act of 2003 (22 U.S.C. 7601 et seq.), the Millennium Challenge Act of 2003 (22 U.S.C. 7701 et seq.), and trade preference programs for developing countries, such as the African Growth and Opportunity Act (19 U.S.C. 3701 et seq.).

(2) Improving the effectiveness of development assistance and making available additional overall United States assistance levels as appropriate.

(3) Enhancing and expanding debt relief as appropriate.

(4) Leveraging United States trade policy where possible to enhance economic development prospects for developing countries.

(5) Coordinating efforts and working in cooperation with developed and developing countries, international organizations, and international financial institutions.

(6) Mobilizing and leveraging the participation of businesses, United States and international nongovernmental organizations, civil society, and public-private partnerships.

(7) Coordinating the goal of poverty reduction with other development goals, such as combating the spread of preventable diseases such as HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, and malaria, increasing access to potable water and basic sanitation, reducing hunger and malnutrition, and improving access to and quality of education at all levels regardless of gender.

(8) Integrating principles of sustainable development and entrepreneurship into policies and programs.

(d) Reports-

(1) INITIAL REPORT-

(A) IN GENERAL- Not later than 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President, acting through the Secretary of State, shall submit to the appropriate congressional committees a report on the strategy required under subsection (a).

(B) CONTENT- The report required under subparagraph (A) shall include the following elements:

(i) A description of the strategy required under subsection (a).

(ii) An evaluation, to the extent possible, both proportionate and absolute, of the contributions provided by the United States and other national and international actors in achieving the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

(iii) An assessment of the overall progress toward achieving the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

(2) SUBSEQUENT REPORTS- Not later than December 31, 2012, and December 31, 2015, the President shall submit to the appropriate congressional committees reports on the status of the implementation of the strategy, progress made in achieving the global poverty reduction objectives described in subsection (a), and any changes to the strategy since the date of the submission of the last report.

Obama's record is bad and speaks for itself. There is no need to cry wolf with Obama on this, where there are already plenty of found wolves, like Kennedy's centerfire ban voted on in 2005, Obama's questionaire from 96 given to politico, and his state senate record. I don't support this bill from a spending perspective, but this isn't a global tax bill or gun grab bill. It's one of those do nothing bills so politicians can pat themselves on the back.

20 posted on 05/04/2008 3:39:34 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: AZLiberty

This is a “Boy who Cried Wolf” report that circulates every month or so. What bothers me is that there are many real wolves out there, including from Obama. This stuff hurts the credibility of organizations when there really is a wolf.


21 posted on 05/04/2008 3:42:14 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: Kackikat

The bible says: “The Poor Will ALWAYS be with you, Help them WHEN YOU CAN!”

Our nation already does more than its’ share. This is yet another way to bring the US to its’ knees and raise the third world up.


22 posted on 05/04/2008 3:49:14 PM PDT by television is just wrong (you don't have to be white to be a racist.)
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To: prophetic

I think we should just limit it to feeding and getting healthcare to America’s children by 2015. That would be a goal we could accomplish and would benefit our ability to offer the same to the children of the world in the following years.

One step at a time.


23 posted on 05/04/2008 3:53:56 PM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (Media -)
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To: Darren McCarty

Thanks for info, and I accidently erased the extra 3. As for do nothing, it will cost 845 BILLION dollars for us as taxpayers.
NEWSMAX is usually very good with info, and I just inserted a quote from their website about the gun info. I went to read bill, which I should have done myself prior to post. There were some changes to bill recently as it now ends with RS instead of IS, but you are right so far. I’m going to contact Newsmax about this.


24 posted on 05/04/2008 3:55:20 PM PDT by Kackikat ((No strong national security, and the rest of issues are mute points; chaos ensues.))
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To: Kackikat
You're right on the spending part, and I oppose the bill on that grounds.

It wasn't Newsmax. I apologize on that. I first heard this (as global tax) from "center for individual freedom" instead.

25 posted on 05/04/2008 4:01:34 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: SatinDoll

PING AGAIN


26 posted on 05/04/2008 4:04:27 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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To: Darren McCarty

Here is what Ron Paul has on his website DAILY PAUL:

Obama’s Global Poverty Act -S2433 includes a “phase” called “Millennium Development Goals” that were given the nod by Clinton at the United Nations Millennium Assembly and Summit 2000.

Goals include: UN “army”, UN “register of ALL small arms (yea, guns), UN “PEACE EDUCATION: PRESCHOOL-COLLEGE”, (social engineering, indoctrination), UN “Control of Global ECONOMY”

Read entire article at WND Commentary. A must read!

“Obama’s Soverignty Giveaway Plan” by Phyllis Schlafly (wnd)

We are all HUMAN RESOURCES to the UN. God help us.


27 posted on 05/04/2008 4:12:44 PM PDT by Kackikat ((No strong national security, and the rest of issues are mute points; chaos ensues.))
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To: LibFreeOrDie

Please go to Ron Pauls website DAILY PAUL and read what he has to say. I posted it on this thread, but there’s another place to go, it has to do with Millenium Development Goals.


28 posted on 05/04/2008 4:14:32 PM PDT by Kackikat ((No strong national security, and the rest of issues are mute points; chaos ensues.))
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To: Kackikat
I voted for Ron Paul in the primary, and I know what he's getting at here. That said, I always defer to primary sources over secondary sources which is someone's interpretation of the primary source.

The UN's Millennium Development goals are a global tax and small arm ban by civillians. That's not in dispute. This bill addresses the poverty aspect ($$$) of that program. Because this bill deals with an aspect of an organization that also deals with taxes and gun grabs, this bill by association becomes a "gun control" bill or a "global tax" bill and now gets a lot of heat because it is proposed by a presidential candidate. It's an embellishment, and that's my problem with this report. That's why I prefer sticking with thomas.

I'm trying to calm the fires a bit here and to clarify things. This is a bad spending spill and helps a bad organization. I oppose it, but I'd rather deal with things that Obama can get nailed on easily, like his handgun ban questionaire to politico, and his vote to ban almost all rifle centerfire ammunition in 2005.

29 posted on 05/04/2008 4:23:47 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: Kackikat

Those blue helmets would make an easily identifiable target.


30 posted on 05/04/2008 4:30:49 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six

ROFL


31 posted on 05/04/2008 4:33:28 PM PDT by Kackikat ((No strong national security, and the rest of issues are mute points; chaos ensues.))
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To: Darren McCarty

I consider anything the UN has hands in as a bad bill. I appreciate what you are doing, but if in any way there is a “hidden agenda” as Ron Paul puts it, then it needs to be exposed. I don’t want us to sign up for 845 billion more taxes, and the UN has no right to ask us to do that, as we are most generous to the poor around the world. Most of that money ends up in hands of the handlers and not the people anyway. The poverty goes on and we are stuck supportering a bunch of crooks.
That said, if there is anything to do with guns it should stopped. There are nations who do not have guns, and there are other bills coming up to make us a socialist nation like them, which raises that same question again. There is a water bill, for govt to take control which is again another takeover of our rights.


32 posted on 05/04/2008 4:39:01 PM PDT by Kackikat ((No strong national security, and the rest of issues are mute points; chaos ensues.))
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Globalist Plan to Disarm America:

PL87-297 Arms Control and Disarmament Act /
State Department Publication No.7277

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/un/do.htm


33 posted on 05/04/2008 4:58:48 PM PDT by Califreak (Hangin' with Hunter-under the bus "Dread and Circuses")
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To: Kackikat

“that declaration commits nations to banning ‘small arms and light weapons’”

Dam traitors!

Time to arm!

STE=Q


34 posted on 05/04/2008 5:05:44 PM PDT by STE=Q ("These are the times that try men's souls." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: Kackikat

I haven’t heard anything more on S2433 the Global Powerty Act. Between the 2 USA will be no more.


35 posted on 05/04/2008 6:06:15 PM PDT by South Texas Lady
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To: South Texas Lady

Get the UN out of New York, Then we might be able to afford to help other poor nations.


36 posted on 05/04/2008 6:11:07 PM PDT by South Texas Lady
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To: South Texas Lady

Get the UN out of New York, Then we might be able to afford to help other poor nations.


37 posted on 05/04/2008 6:11:14 PM PDT by South Texas Lady
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To: STE=Q

Ron Paul’s article says it is hidden agenda in the Millenium Development Goals. It is evidently not written in the actual Bill S2433, but imbeded vaguely into the 2000 UN MDG meeting agreement. I believe it will be defeated if enough people call, write, email their Senators.


38 posted on 05/04/2008 6:45:55 PM PDT by Kackikat ((No strong national security, and the rest of issues are mute points; chaos ensues.))
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To: South Texas Lady

S243 is S2433, I accidently erased a 3 when fixing my title..lol sorry. It’s the Millinium Development Goals that have imbeded the nations civilian gun and small arms info. I have read it on several websites, but the actual Bill just refers to US mandating the MDG part, without spelling it out. Always hiding stuff. Some say it won’t cause gun control, but I will keep researching to make sure.


39 posted on 05/04/2008 6:50:18 PM PDT by Kackikat ((No strong national security, and the rest of issues are mute points; chaos ensues.))
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To: Kackikat

...and pack up the Democrats and ship them out along with the other trash!

40 posted on 05/04/2008 7:03:03 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: TXnMA

Sounds like a plan to me!


41 posted on 05/04/2008 7:29:25 PM PDT by Kackikat ((No strong national security, and the rest of issues are mute points; chaos ensues.))
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To: Califreak

I have a floppy disk with a copy of UN Disarmament Act on it, but no longer have puter with a floppy drive. I’ll try to get that transferred somehow, and get it up...I’ve had it since 1999, it was given to me by FR Mouth of the South, and she passed away several years ago.


42 posted on 05/04/2008 7:33:24 PM PDT by Kackikat ((No strong national security, and the rest of issues are mute points; chaos ensues.))
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To: Kackikat

It seems that many of our modern-day politicians want to give up our sovereignty under the guise of promoting globalization. The concept of high-treason has all but vanished from their convictions.


43 posted on 05/04/2008 8:53:09 PM PDT by 353FMG (Don't make the mistake to think that Government is a Friend of the People)
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To: Kackikat

Scary that it’s been lurking since the 60’s, isn’t it?


44 posted on 05/04/2008 11:31:24 PM PDT by Califreak (Hangin' with Hunter-under the bus "Dread and Circuses")
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To: A Strict Constructionist

Peacekeeping might be provided by USNORTHCOM!


45 posted on 05/04/2008 11:35:26 PM PDT by endthematrix (Now that we use our corn for fuel, when do we eat coal for dinner?)
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To: Darren McCarty

What credibility of what organizations?


46 posted on 05/04/2008 11:38:11 PM PDT by endthematrix (Now that we use our corn for fuel, when do we eat coal for dinner?)
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To: Califreak

This stuff gets passed while we sleep, so much apathy in America.


47 posted on 05/05/2008 7:10:39 AM PDT by Kackikat ((No strong national security, and the rest of issues are mute points; chaos ensues.))
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To: 353FMG

You got it, and the Dems think it is their right to give away all freedoms in the name of globalization..its absurd.


48 posted on 05/05/2008 7:16:01 AM PDT by Kackikat ((No strong national security, and the rest of issues are mute points; chaos ensues.))
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To: Darren McCarty; AZLiberty
I have not heard or read anything about S.2433 before tonight. I did several searches on it tonight and came up with the following:

from Townhall.com (2/25/08):
Congress Contemplates Giving Cash to Foreigners

from Accuracy In Media (2/12/08):
Obama’s Global Tax Proposal Up for Senate Vote

and from the Heritage Foundation (4/1/08):
The Global Poverty Act: The Wrong Track for U.S. Aid Policy

It's late and I'm kind of tired so please excuse me but it appears that (if nothing else) we should be outraged over the fact that it "would require U.S. taxpayers to fund foreign aid at more than quadruple current levels, at an amount of $100 billion per year." (according to the American Heritage Foundation).

That doesn't just sound like a “Boy who Cried Wolf” report to me.

49 posted on 05/09/2008 11:49:41 PM PDT by occam's chainsaw
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To: occam's chainsaw

It was a boy who cried wolf on guns and “global tax.” It IS a bad spending bill and should be opposed on those grounds.


50 posted on 05/10/2008 6:12:34 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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