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US Veteran Removes His Kosovo Medal
Republican Riot ^ | May 6, 2008 | Julia Gorin

Posted on 05/07/2008 10:22:37 AM PDT by Bokababe

Perhaps some insiders (or those unwillingly part) of the Clintonistas’ administration realized that what we (the USA) were doing was just not right - and so the award/medal could not be called/designated in more accurate terms as the “Re-establishment of the Islamic Caliphate” Medal… So better to have sent in the Girl Scouts - as things would have ended up basically the same as they have, except perhaps with less loss of innocent life. Anyway, it’s is also off of my uniform forever.

My only desire is that in some very small way it may help people to become aware - especially Serbians - that not all Americans are clueless - and that more can/must be done to alert the (civilized/free world) to this horrible situation…Also, I am very very displeased with what the Bush administration has done regarding the issue of Kosovo - as well as with Israel, etc. In fact this part (why the Bush admin is playing along with the islamists) I can not figure out.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antichristian; bonlyreturns; clinton; clintonlegacy; dhimmwit; illegalimmigration; islamicimperialism; kosovo; military; nato; proterrorist; rbjagain; waronterror; wrongside
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To: buwaya

Sure, Totten may be pretty knowledgeable when it comes to the Middle East, but Kosovo and the Balkans in general are not the Middle East.

>Totten is far left ?

The guy admitted that his ideology was a mixture of neoconservatism, libertarianism, and *liberalism*. I suspect that he may really be a liberal with a hookah and a taste for stealth bomber diplomacy(though I admit that it’s basically just speculation on my part). Kind of like a hawkish version of Bill Maher. At the least, he does appear to have a rather strong and perhaps excessive pro-Albanian bias.


21 posted on 05/07/2008 1:48:16 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (Member of the LCMS since birth.)
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To: Jacob Kell

Totten is on the spot, and he is known for reporting in detail and without bias. He writes what he sees.

Nations and peoples do not have personal friendships, that is a very misleading analogy.

Kuwait is still on board as a pro-American state; they have minority Islamic problems because they are Islamic, there isn’t much you can do. We have anti-American problems right here in the US also.


22 posted on 05/07/2008 1:55:07 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: buwaya
"If we are unwilling to accept people like Totten on our side, we don’t have a side, we have a bunch of irrelevant cults."

It's the old stopped clock argument. Twice a day, I'm perfectly willing to consider it correct.

23 posted on 05/07/2008 1:56:39 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Jacob Kell

If you want to define pro-American liberals as being out of the club, as being on the “far left”, then we have a very poor class of club. This is the kind of attitude that gets leaves the real far left perpetually broken up into mutually antagonistic cults.

Conservatism is, I would like to think, a rather more adult and practical way of seeing the world, that can deal with differences of opinion and accomodate them.


24 posted on 05/07/2008 1:59:19 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: buwaya
Comment - Kosovo looks like an American success and there is no Caliphate there.

200 plus Christian churches, monasteries, and cemeteries destroyed and you call that an American success.

God forbid the Serbian people should have to endure your idea of a failure!

25 posted on 05/07/2008 2:01:02 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Joe 6-pack

He has constantly and powerfully supported the US political and military efforts in Iraq and Lebanon, and gainst Iran and Hezbollah. In fact he spends almost all his time doing those things, that is his journalistic niche.

Thats not being right twice a day, thats 24 hours consistency.


26 posted on 05/07/2008 2:03:51 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: FormerLib

The Serbian people have some serious failings.

Among them was an imperialistic attitude towards their fellow Slavs, such as the Catholic Croats no less than the Muslim Bosnians and Albanians, an attachment to fascist politics and a disdain for economic and political liberty.

Plus an attachment to Russian pan-Slavic imperialism. This doesn’t sit well with other Slavs like the Poles and Czechs.

Not all our enemies are Muslims.


27 posted on 05/07/2008 2:08:22 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: FormerLib

How many Croat Catholic churches, monasteries, and etc. did the Serbians destroy ?

And they were in fact doing the same and worse to the Albanians for years.

We are not talking about saints on either side.


28 posted on 05/07/2008 2:10:53 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: buwaya

>and he is known for reporting in detail and without bias.

Could have fooled me. At least when it comes to Kosovo.

>He writes what he sees.

Does he see everything? What about what he doesn’t see?


29 posted on 05/07/2008 2:13:35 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (Member of the LCMS since birth.)
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To: buwaya

>If you want to define pro-American liberals as being out >of the club, as being on the “far left”, then we have a >very poor class of club.

I don’t mind pro-US libs, even though they’re probably rare. However, I also believe in being realistic, and not let stars get in our eyes.


30 posted on 05/07/2008 2:16:10 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (Member of the LCMS since birth.)
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To: buwaya

>He has constantly and powerfully supported the US >political and military efforts in Iraq and Lebanon, and >gainst Iran and Hezbollah. In fact he spends almost all >his time doing those things, that is his journalistic >niche.

As I said, he’s pretty knowledgable about the Middle East, but Kosovo and the balkans are not the Middle East.
Just because he knows a lot about one part of the world doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s an expert on another.

>Thats not being right twice a day, thats 24 hours >consistency.

Maybe more like 19 or 20 hours. :-)


31 posted on 05/07/2008 2:18:36 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (Member of the LCMS since birth.)
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To: Jacob Kell

Look up Totten on Lebanon, Kurdistan, Turkey and Iraq. He has written piles of excellent reporting and analysis, and superb travel writing for that matter.

Naturally nobody sees everything. But if we are going to work on information we receive in the media then we need to develop some judgment about who is credible and who isn’t about what they do see, otherwise we might as well go there and see for ourselves, or forget about pretending we have a worthwhile opinion.

That credibility comes from a track record. Fisk, for instance, has a terible track record, Totten and Yon have the opposite.


32 posted on 05/07/2008 2:21:42 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: buwaya

>We are not talking about saints on either side.

Here, we are in agreement. There were few, if any, saints on either side. Though it seems to me like Totten has considered the Albanians to be saints.


33 posted on 05/07/2008 2:24:23 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (Member of the LCMS since birth.)
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To: Jacob Kell

“Just because he knows a lot about one part of the world doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s an expert on another.”

No, but he came by this expertise very quickly through observation. This is a guy who went to Lebanon (and Iraq, etc. later) just a few years ago cold. At some point you have to trust the man.


34 posted on 05/07/2008 2:25:31 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: Jacob Kell

No, he’s just saying they are friendly and not Islamically insane.


35 posted on 05/07/2008 2:26:47 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: buwaya

>No, but he came by this expertise very quickly through observation. This is a guy who went to Lebanon (and Iraq, etc. later) just a few years ago cold. At some point you have to trust the man.

Maybe, but he still seems to me to be at least somewhat biased. Though that’s just my opinion.

>No, he’s just saying they are friendly and not Islamically insane.

At least right now. Who knows what the future may hold? Still, I suspect that when it comes to radical political ideologies among the Albanians,there’s probably more to worry about from the more secular ones like ultranationalism or communism.


36 posted on 05/07/2008 2:34:49 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (Member of the LCMS since birth.)
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To: buwaya; joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ...
How many Croat Catholic churches, monasteries, and etc. did the Serbians destroy ?

You tell me, you're the one attempting to justify the atrocities against the Serbs.

And they were in fact doing the same and worse to the Albanians for years.

Wrong again.

But are you suggesting that it is OK to commit atrocities against an entire people because some of them were criminals? That's how you're attempting to justify the crimes against the Serbs.

The illegal immigrants from Albania waged a terror campaign against the Serb, Roma, and Jewish population in Kosovo for decades. When the Serbs began to fight back against the Jihadist and win, we joined on the wrongside.

Peace and justice will return to Kosovo alongside the Serb Army.

37 posted on 05/07/2008 2:48:00 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: buwaya

Right because if they reveal their true colors, the foreign troops who are keeping their criminal state in existence will leave and the Serbs will take the place back before the weekend.


38 posted on 05/07/2008 2:49:28 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: buwaya
Not all our enemies are Muslims.

But all the terrorists against us are Muslim.

Giving them a new base of operations in Europe is stupid beyond belief.

39 posted on 05/07/2008 2:51:34 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: FormerLib

I am saying that the Serbs don’t have clean hands - if anything they started the whole mess by being overbearing towards their kin, and the Albanians, under the truly disastrous leadership of Miloslevic.

As for what the Serbs were up to -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vukovar

The Yugoslavian wars were full of mutual atrocities, much like the partition of India.

These wars and atrocities were committed against all participants, Orthodox, Catholic and Muslim.


40 posted on 05/07/2008 3:03:40 PM PDT by buwaya
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