Why a Spiritual Advisor to President Bush Supports Obama

Belief Net ^ | No idea | Dan Gilgoff

[Dawnsblood]

I think since they--whomever they are--since they could not find anything wrong with him as a person, there seemingly has been an attempt to reach out and find something wrong with those who are allegedly around him. Everybody keeps saying, “Well, he sat there for 20 years." For starters, he didn’t sit there for 20 years, right? He’s been a member for 20 years. He’s not sat there for 20 years. For three years, he was in law school. Another eight years, he was in the state senate, and another three years--or three years, really now four--he’s been in the US senate. I don’t mean to split hairs on this, but it hasn’t been 20 years.

And furthermore, truth be told, there are some things that Pastor Wright has said that are absolutely true. Now, you may not like how he said it, and whenever your metaphor overwhelms what you have to say, that can be problematic. But there are a number of African Americans in this country who affirm the ministry of Pastor Wright.

Can you give an example of something Wright said that was “blown up” by the news media?

This whole G.D. America piece, that’s a great example. First of all, right after he says that, the next sentence, which they never play, says, “And that’s in the Bible.” Now, it’s not written that way in English, but the Hebraic expression basically says this: if America makes itself and views itself as God, and not Yahweh, or the Lord God Almighty as God, then America basically is committing adultery, and then America is darning itself.

[Dawnsblood]

I totally do not understand this. Maybe I do not understand religion as well as he does ... (You have to read the whole article. I left a lot out.

[DManA]

Oh, the Rev is black. Surprise.

[Corin Stormhands]

Oh, the Rev is black. Surprise.

More to the point, he's United Methodist.

[billva]

Oh, the Rev is black. Surprise.

More to the point, he's United Methodist.

Just what does that mean?

[FlingWingFlyer]

Every time that I’ve heard the “GD” clip played, I heard the line,”...“And that’s in the Bible.” The Rev. must be thinking about something else.

[TigersEye]

Does it get any better after the part you excerpted? ‘Cause I almost tossed a cookie getting that far. Ridiculous excuses for absurdly expressed hatred. And Wright was Obama’s pastor/spiritual mentor/adviser for 20 years whether he attended lots of sermons or not.

[buck jarret]

Bush should find a Republican spiritual advisor. But perhaps it’s too late

[Doctor Don]

May I live long enough to hear a black criticize a black leader! Probably once in a thousand years. The black populace is very intimidated by such as Al and Jesse!

[NormsRevenge]

too bad the “spiritual advisor” sees it as he does, I don’t agree but will not belabor the points he feels are worth working to elect a vessel for liberalism, but everyone is free to their opine.

[Thomas W.]

All you have to do is make Rev. Wright white; make him McCain’s close spiritual adviser; and have him mimicking black people, Hispanic people, and Asian people.

There wouldn’t be a person on the planet who would defend him or try to find some religious rationalization for what he said. The media would be in meltdown. The Democrats would use him in campaign commericials.

What we as Americans have to do is treat Rev. Wright exactly the way we’d treat any white person who said the things he did.

Making excuses or rationalizing bad behavior from non-whites is the textbook definition of racism.

[no dems]

THE POLITICAL AND RELIGIOUS WHORES ARE STARTING TO SURFACE, CHOOSING RACE OVER MORALITY, GODLINESS AND PATRIOTISM.

[Uriah_lost]

He isn’t what we might call a leader but at least its a start:
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=33293190

[TigersEye]

Try a little bit of this guy. I think you'll find that he's refreshingly NOT intimidated. ; )

[TigersEye]

Ha, ya beat me to it.

[Nathan Zachary]

"Everybody keeps saying, “Well, he sat there for 20 years." For starters, he didn’t sit there for 20 years, right? He’s been a member for 20 years. He’s not sat there for 20 years. For three years, he was in law school. Another eight years, he was in the state senate, and another three years--or three years, really now four--he’s been in the US senate. I don’t mean to split hairs on this, but it hasn’t been 20 years."

How about 20 years worth of Sundays? Everyone else in the world who goes to church manages to work and go to church. Quit making excuses for Obama. He sat there for 20 years worth of Sundays, shouting "Amen" to Racist Wrights Sunday racist sermons. Wright: "God damn America!" Obama: "Amen" Wright: "American wwhitey invented aids to kill blacks!" Obama: "Amen".

[TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl]

I, too, do not profess to be an expert on the Bible, but it seems to me it was written before 1492, right? Wouldn’t any reference to America be one hell of a good guess?

[Marysecretary]

Methodists are pretty liberal, possibly not a born again reverend but just an ordained Methodist minister, liberal of course. I don’t know him so I can’t really say, but MOST methodist ministers seem to be more liberal than conservative.

[TigersEye]

Now, it’s not written that way in English, but the Hebraic expression basically says this: if America makes itself and views itself as God, and not Yahweh, or the Lord God Almighty as God, then America basically is committing adultery, and then America is darning itself.

The metaphor falls on its face. It isn't true that America makes itself and views itself as God. This is just a kinder gentler anti-American prejudice. At least Rev Wright isn't pissing on our backs and telling us its raining. This guy is.

[Nathan Zachary]

And he’s totally wacked. He must read his bible holding it upside down or something. There is NOTHING truthful in anything Wright says.

[MadMax, the Grinning Reaper]

The Methodists are the farthest Left of the mainline religions except for the Jesuit Liberation Theology marxists.

They dominated the Hanoi Lobby during the war and their leaders have been involved in every major communist united front on issues ranging from the Pershing Missiles/Cruise missiles, to SDI to ANSWER, United for Peace & Justice, and the old CPUSA united fronts of the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s

Try Mia Adjali and Herman Will and Armstrong, etc.

Get ahold of David Jessups works on where Methodist money goes - to the far-left. It will shake you up if you are a normal person.

[billva]

Methodists are pretty liberal, possibly not a born again reverend but just an ordained Methodist minister, liberal of course. I don’t know him so I can’t really say, but MOST methodist ministers seem to be more liberal than conservative.

That's a reasonable response, however Corbin whatever his name is made a really stupid response about Methodists.

[Uriah_lost]

Great minds and all that! I promised Zo I would get him the attention he deserves. So far he’s gotten a post about him on three fairly major blogs that I frequent and I’m still trying....
I’m hoping to get him some notice on RedEye where I think he’d fit right in.

[buccaneer81]

Just what does that mean?

Any "church" that belongs to the National Council of Churches (NCC) is anti-American.

[Nathan Zachary]

Another point, is that Wright makes the claim he is a Christian.(but we all now know that is a fraud) His church is the United church.
He's supposed to be reading from and preaching the gospel of Christ. Instead he preaching hatred and twisting the old testament to reinforce his racist, hatefilled rantings. He's dividing people with hatred, not uniting them with the love Jesus taught.

Where do these black preachers come from? Do they just one day wake up and pronounce themselves a "Reverand" put on a collar, rent a building and collect money?

It seems that what this "methodist" preacher has done as well. He seems totally blind to the teachings of the gospel of Christ, and how Wrights racist rants are in complete opposition to it.

[TigersEye]

He would fit in on Redeye. If he didn’t take it over.

[Brandonmark]

Here is how he describes his relationship as a “spiritual advisor”:

“ How often have you been in touch during his second term? Eight or nine times a year?. I typically call him. He seldom calls me”

Sounds like just another hustler to me!

[JCG]

While the differences between President Bush and Senator Obama are very, very clear, allow me to share with you what their commonalities are. One, they have deep, resolute loyalty to their country, to their families, and to their God. They are both Christians.

But I bet President Bush can't do this...

 

Obama: Man of the World
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Published: March 6, 2007

Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to
prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that
seemed delightfully uncalculated [...], Mr. Obama described the
call to prayer as "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at
sunset."

http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/opinion/06kristof.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
http://nevadathunder.com/?p=3626




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[onguard]

“He seems totally blind to the teachings of the gospel of Christ,...”

This is nothing particularly noteworthy amongst the mega-preacher set. Look at the most popular of the “Christian” preachers today and ask yourself how well they mirror the teachings of Jesus.

[Uriah_lost]

I just dropped his vid on The Activity Pit, for all the RedEye fans to see. The show’s crew is on there a lot and I hope they pick up on it.
http://activitypit.ning.com/video/video/show?id=1981927%3AVideo%3A108325

[pankot]

Slight correction, I believe he is a Pastor in the even more liberal United Church of Christ.

[TigersEye]

Hey that’s great. If their fans respond well to it, and I bet they will, they will probably look into it. I’ve never been to the Redeye website. I might have to check that out now that you threw up a link.

[vpintheak]

Complete total garbage. No wonder President Jorge acts the way he does sometimes.

[danamco]

May I live long enough to hear a black criticize a black leader! Probably once in a thousand years. The black populace is very intimidated by such as Al and Jesse!

Bill Cosby???

[danamco]

How about 20 years worth of Sundays? Everyone else in the world who goes to church manages to work and go to church. Quit making excuses for Obama. He sat there for 20 years worth of Sundays, shouting "Amen" to Racist Wrights Sunday racist sermons. Wright: "God damn America!" Obama: "Amen" Wright: "American wwhitey invented aids to kill blacks!" Obama: "Amen".

Not only that. o-Hussein-b and michelle "la-bell" robinson let this racist marry them. Then their off-springs were baptized by him!!!

Hmmmm???

[Corin Stormhands]

Just what does that mean?

That there's a huge contingent of liberalism in the UM. There's also a very strong contingent fighting against that.

[Corin Stormhands]

Not according to the article.

[billva]

That there's a huge contingent of liberalism in the UM. There's also a very strong contingent fighting against that.

If that is true then your first comment about United Methodist, enough said would seem to be overkill.

[Corin Stormhands]

I included that because there are those who would say the UM is completely lost to socialism. It’s not. There’s an uphill battle, but it is being waged.

(and no, I’m not UM)

[xzins]

The Methodists are the farthest Left of the mainline religions except for the Jesuit Liberation Theology marxists.

I am an ordained elder in the United Methodist Church. I was ordained in 1983 and have served continuously since that time. I am also a retired active duty Army Chaplain; I served as a United Methodist. I attended Asbury Seminary, from which I received my MDiv, and I have an additional masters degree from Kansas State University.

I have been on Free Republic for a long time, since 1998, and I can hardly be described as a liberal.

Our denomination is NOT the most liberal of the mainline denominations, and if the truth be known, it is more moderate to conservative than any of the other mainlines...the Southern Baptists have seldom been included as mainline protestant.

The PCUSA, LCA, ECUSA, UCC...all the traditional mainlines are more liberal than we are.

At our just concluded 4 year General Conference, the ONLY official voice of the UMC, we made our statement on the sanctity of life STRICTER and not more lenient. We made our statement on homosexuality STRICTER and not more lenient.

Anyone familiar with our denomination knows that the conservative to moderate element of our ministers outvotes the liberal element by 65% to 35%. They know that the bulk of our people, about 85% are conservative to moderate and not liberal.

George Bush is a far better conservative example of an average United Methodist than is this pastor in Washington DC.

Do we have a large and radical element in the church that we have been fighting for decades? Yep. No doubt about it. But, they are slowly losing and we are slowly winning. It is slow going because of the nature of our church government. The General Conference meets only once every four years and that for only 10 days.

Change happens EXTREMELY SLOWLY in the UMC.

[billva]

included that because there are those who would say the UM is completely lost to socialism. It’s not. There’s an uphill battle, but it is being waged. (and no, I’m not UM)

Ah yes the mysterious they! They say blah blah.

You need to read post 39 by the Methodist Minister.

By the way there are those that would say that the above comment by you is without merit.

[Marysecretary]

I’m glad to hear that. I was a Methodist for 35 years and I rejoice in hearing good things happening there.