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Russia Puts Tanks and Missiles Back in Red Square Parade
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080509/ap_on_re_eu/russia_victory_day;_ylt=AqxtYp8OKOXX7ITtDHDTJ6IDW7oF ^ | May 8, 2008 | VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV

Posted on 05/09/2008 10:37:50 AM PDT by freerepublic_or_die

Russia showcased its military might and youthful new president to the world Friday, as heavy tanks and missile launchers rumbled across Red Square in a Victory

In a nationally broadcast speech two days after his inauguration, President Dmitry Medvedev avoided the bellicose rhetoric of his mentor and predecessor, Vladimir Putin, who drew parallels between United States and Nazi Germany during last year's parade.

However, in his speech marking victory over Adolf Hitler's Germany, the 42-year-old Medvedev said the history of World War II demonstrated that military conflicts are rooted in "irresponsible ambitions which prevail over interests of nations and entire continents."

"We must not allow contempt for the norms of international law," he said, in what sounded like veiled criticism of the United States and its Western allies.

The Kremlin has consistently criticized both the U.S.-led war in Iraq and wide Western recognition of Kosovo's declaration of independence from Russia-allied Serbia as flagrant violations of international legal norms.

A stern-faced Putin, who was named prime minister Thursday, hovered at Medvedev's shoulder on the podium hiding the mausoleum of Soviet founder Vladimir Lenin. His face was prominently shown in TV broadcasts — an image that played to the wide belief the former president will continue calling the shots.

Medvedev, his country's third post-Soviet president, hailed the rebuilding Russian military, saying it can "give a reliable protection to the motherland."

"Our army and navy are getting stronger. Just as Russia itself, they are gaining strength," he said.

More than 100 combat vehicles, including intercontinental ballistic missile launchers, rolled across the cobblestone Red Square and strategic bombers and fighter jets roared overhead in the first such display in 18 years.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: backtothefuture; coldwar2; communism; premierputin; russia; sovietunion; ussr
So, what's next? A wall going up around Russia anytime soon?
1 posted on 05/09/2008 10:37:51 AM PDT by freerepublic_or_die
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To: freerepublic_or_die

Ask eastern europe how they feel about Russia’s beliefs in “international law”.


2 posted on 05/09/2008 10:40:57 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

Expensive oil and Barak as our next President. Russia smells a return with new $$ to rebuild its military and a cowardly fellow-traveler as our next President.


3 posted on 05/09/2008 10:43:25 AM PDT by whitedog57
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To: freerepublic_or_die

Imagine the US doing this?


4 posted on 05/09/2008 10:43:36 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

Anyone else notice that the old hammer and sickle is still on display? They are doing it to save money (/sarcasm).


5 posted on 05/09/2008 10:55:14 AM PDT by CT (Conservative in hibernation.)
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To: freerepublic_or_die

The devolution of the USSR allowed the leaders to switch from a failed economic system to a better one, a hybrid, and greatly magnify their influence in the UN by having each “Republic” admitted as a separate country.

However, they sometimes have a little trouble keeping the chickens in the coop and China’s rise has diminished them somewhat.


6 posted on 05/09/2008 11:05:37 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

You said it. You’ve got hard-core Bolshevist idealists making out like the bandits they are selling oil at decadent-West free market prices.


7 posted on 05/09/2008 11:12:47 AM PDT by freerepublic_or_die (Islam:Truly the opium of the morons with apologies to Karl Marx)
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To: freerepublic_or_die

8 posted on 05/09/2008 11:21:46 AM PDT by Bobalu (What do I know, I'm a Typical White Guy)
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To: freerepublic_or_die

I keep seeing the headlines on this and the ‘nuclear missile’ on display.

Am I confused? I don’t see the problem. Their country, their parade, they get to show off their stuff.

(Now when they march this stuff through the streets of Georgia, the country not the state, then I have a problem.)

Open to correction,
Gulfbreeze


9 posted on 05/09/2008 11:25:39 AM PDT by GulfBreeze (McCain is our nominee. No one else.)
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To: onedoug

Why aren’t we?

I mean we do do some of this. We have tanks in parades sometimes. We have Air Force jet flyovers.

What’s the difference?


10 posted on 05/09/2008 11:28:06 AM PDT by GulfBreeze (McCain is our nominee. No one else.)
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To: GulfBreeze
As cold-war watchers can emphatically substantiate, the May Day Parade was a standard modus-operandi used by the Kremlin to transmit to the West changes in strategy, policy through subtle presentation,posture and would be meticulously analyzed by the West for any such clues.

This is not at all any attempt to criticize the Russians for parading whatever they it is they want to display. It's the political intrigue and the message the Russians are sending to the West in the form of the re-appearance of military apparatus long absent that is the very gist for the issue and not as a result of any effort to critize their right to parade whatever they please.

11 posted on 05/09/2008 11:40:43 AM PDT by freerepublic_or_die (Islam:Truly the opium of the morons with apologies to Karl Marx)
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To: GulfBreeze
What’s the difference?

Parading nuclear missiles about? Come on.

12 posted on 05/09/2008 11:48:24 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Bobalu

Made in Nizhniy Tagil, just like my son. :D


13 posted on 05/09/2008 12:06:14 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: freerepublic_or_die








14 posted on 05/09/2008 2:08:21 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Holy krapsky!

And... this is brand new footage? Red stars, Lenin, hammer & sickle, that awful goose stepping, etc.?

Did they forget the mobile nuclear rockets?

It’s deja vu all over again, y’all. Except not even Stalin had an energy stranglehold over the European countries.

“Vodka was invented by G-d to keep the Russians from taking over the world!”

;^)


15 posted on 05/09/2008 2:55:04 PM PDT by elcid1970 (My cartridges are dipped in pig grease.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Wow. Spectacular imagery. Thanks for posting them.


16 posted on 05/09/2008 5:52:33 PM PDT by freerepublic_or_die (Islam:Truly the opium of the morons with apologies to Karl Marx)
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To: onedoug

The US should hold a military parade too. Imagine M1s rolling in front of the whitehouse while F-22s and B2s fly overhead.


17 posted on 05/09/2008 8:50:26 PM PDT by Decombobulator
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To: Decombobulator

we don’t need a parade, the world knows. Pootie is just barking. Otherwise he would have helped the Serbs, when he had the perfect opportunity to reassert Russia’s power and gain a foothold in the Balkans. Now, save for Serbia, everyone in the Balkans is leaning towards US. Putin just said a few nice words, sent some expired food and essentially stole their energy company.

US is not scared of Russia, everything they have is based on commodities and their oil infrastructure is not up to speed anyway. I remember reading that their fields are from soviet times, and will soon run out unless they start drilling. State run companies are not known for investing in future exploration and he threw out everyone else...


18 posted on 05/10/2008 2:05:07 PM PDT by old-and-old
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To: lizol; Lukasz; strategofr; GSlob; spanalot; Thunder90; Tailgunner Joe; propertius; REactor; ...
Russia/Soviet/Coldwar2 PING!!!

To be added or removed from this list, please FReepmail me!!!

19 posted on 05/11/2008 10:40:51 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: onedoug

I disagree in the sense that we are doing the same to “establish the conditions that lead to confidence in America’s Army and its readiness to conduct operations in peacetime, conflict and war.” - Army Public Affiars


20 posted on 05/11/2008 10:51:03 PM PDT by endthematrix (Now that we use our corn for fuel, when do we eat coal for dinner?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; elcid1970

Tailgunner just carefully gathered his photos. All people on his photos are dressed in the historical uniform. It is Victory day parade so may paraders are in the historical dress.
Accually Red banner is just the historical Victory Banner.

See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMcDtZcHeZ8&feature=related.
Notice the flag on the each first car of columns? It is the red cross on white background. It is St.Andrius flag. The official military flag. All other flags are just for historical reconstruction. Here is the reference for your information: http://www.hronos.km.ru/heraldicum/flagi/e_modern.htm


21 posted on 05/12/2008 2:49:29 AM PDT by RusIvan (ABM can be used to fend off the weakered by first strike reciprocal answer.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The Soviet/Russian Victory Banner (Russian: Знамя Победы, Znamya Pobedy) is the banner that was raised by Red Army soldiers on the Reichstag in Berlin, in 1945. The Cyrillic inscription reads: "150th Rifle, Order of Kutuzov 2nd class, 'Idritskaya' Division, 79th Rifle Corps, 3rd Shock Army, 1st Byelorussian Front." This flag is not the first to be hoisted on the Reichstag, but is the first (and the only surviving) of the 'official' flags, explicitly prepared for that purpose, to be raised there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Banner
22 posted on 05/12/2008 4:16:57 AM PDT by sega
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To: Thunder90

Thank you for the ping.


23 posted on 05/12/2008 6:02:02 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=451 SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT; Velveeta; Calpernia; LibertyRocks

Ping.


24 posted on 05/12/2008 6:03:47 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=451 SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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To: Thunder90
And this is right after the parade - one of the BMD-4s burning (LOL!):










25 posted on 05/12/2008 9:50:44 AM PDT by lizol
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The marching flag thing looks gay.


26 posted on 05/12/2008 9:54:11 AM PDT by bmwcyle (I always rely on God and Guns in that order)
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To: GulfBreeze

“Their country, their parade, they get to show off their stuff.”

Their country masterminded the genocide of 100 million in the last century and cost us a gazillion dollars to stop.

http://www.victimsofcommunism.org/history_communism.php


27 posted on 05/12/2008 12:34:19 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: lizol

Must have been Chechyns


28 posted on 05/12/2008 12:37:39 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot
OK. This thread is about a parade in Moscow, where they paraded tanks (sad outdated but deadly tanks), nuclear missiles (I would guess dummy missiles. I doubt they had armed nuclear missiles parading through their capital but maybe they did.) and other military hardware.

I am not taking up for the honor of their governments past or present. I am not a Soviet or Russian apologist. I don't like a lot of things that they are doing.

I am just saying that what they do in a silly parade in their country is their business. I mean it's a parade... They're supposed to show off.

29 posted on 05/13/2008 4:55:38 AM PDT by GulfBreeze (McCain is our nominee. No one else.)
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To: GulfBreeze

“I am just saying that what they do in a silly parade in their country is their business”

Great - why dont they have some Gulag watchtower floats and mass grave depictions?

What part of “They killed 100 million with those weapons” do you not understand?


30 posted on 05/13/2008 4:35:33 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot

Okay. Let’s nuke ‘em.


31 posted on 05/13/2008 5:14:16 PM PDT by GulfBreeze (McCain is our nominee. No one else.)
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To: spanalot

There is nothing about it that I don’t understand. What is it about it that YOU don’t understand?

What are you saying we or they SHOULD be doing? (I mean other than repeating over and over that they killed 100 million people.

I hate communism. I hate socialism. I hate Stallin and Lenning. I hate Pol Pot (or however you spell his name). I hate Saddam and his gay sons.

Really! I do.

But now what?


32 posted on 05/13/2008 5:17:32 PM PDT by GulfBreeze (McCain is our nominee. No one else.)
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To: GulfBreeze

“Okay. Let’s nuke ‘em.”

Thats what Patton said - Reagan just jawboned the saudis into opening the spigot and sending the price of oil down to $8.00 - but all we need is to get it to $30 to crush their nuts again.


33 posted on 05/13/2008 7:28:44 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: GulfBreeze

“What are you saying we or they SHOULD be doing? “

Certainly we should not be suffering their foolishness gladly as you are intent on doing.


34 posted on 05/13/2008 7:36:18 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot
Okay. If you have finally exhausted yourself throwing insults my way...

WHAT SHOULD WE DO! NOT WHAT SHOULD WE NOT DO.

I could give a rats a$$ whether they are using tanks, missiles, jets, fire trucks or giant pink freakin' KOALAS in their parades. I am at a loss as to why ANY American WOULD care. NOW, when they are making soft invasions into Georgia, when they are shooting down Georgian drones over Georgian territory, when they are selling nuke crap to Iran, when they are selling technology that they can no longer afford to build themselves to China then I want to do something about it and I care. I have no DOUBT that these things are troubling to you too. I just can't f'n understand why you are busting my chops because I could give a %@^^$%#%^@$%#$& about a PARADE in Moscow, Beijing, Pyong Yang or anywhere else!

Why are we in an argument over this? Can you tell me?

35 posted on 05/14/2008 4:25:12 AM PDT by GulfBreeze (McCain is our nominee. No one else.)
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To: lizol

“Bolshia Technika”.

Snicker


36 posted on 05/14/2008 4:31:35 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: GulfBreeze
But now what?

How about we stop pretending they are friends and allies? Stop sending them money when they are rolling in petrodollars? NOT count on them for manned access to space after 2010 when the shuttle gets retired? You know, act rationally?
37 posted on 05/14/2008 4:34:42 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: Kozak
I entirely agree. ZERO argument.
38 posted on 05/14/2008 5:37:07 AM PDT by GulfBreeze (McCain is our nominee. No one else.)
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To: GulfBreeze

“WHAT SHOULD WE DO!”

I bet your shift key is not the shiniest on your keyboard.

We do the same as we have for 60 years - which we should have done for 90 years - apply diplomatic, economic, media, and political power to contain their imperialist efforts ... and certainly condemn their militaristic parades.


39 posted on 05/14/2008 11:45:41 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot

Well I couldn’t agree more. Thanks for answering.


40 posted on 05/14/2008 12:09:12 PM PDT by GulfBreeze (McCain is our nominee. No one else.)
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To: spanalot
Sorry... I couldn't agree more up to the part about condemning their parades. (Insert the koala stuff here again). I just don't care what they do on parade.
41 posted on 05/14/2008 12:12:59 PM PDT by GulfBreeze (McCain is our nominee. No one else.)
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To: GulfBreeze

What, do you sell gold plated tubas and patent leather boots with pom poms? What is with your parade thing.

What if the Nazis had a parade with crates of zyclon b ?

Give it up.


42 posted on 05/14/2008 2:03:58 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot
You give it up.

I just think it's stupid to cry over a parade. Who gives a freakin flip? Are you going wet your britches because they still salute each other too? When people gufaw and whine and wimper they are playing into EXACTLY the response that the Russian powers want.

NEWS FLASH: People have parades in every country and they are military in every country. What kind of dufuses would be shocked that they are showing off their hardware. It's perfectly normal.

I was more shocked that they were actually showing off the old stuff instead of the new.

Do people care that they have invaded Georgia?

Do people care that they are still controlling the media? Make a stink over something that matters.

43 posted on 05/14/2008 2:36:49 PM PDT by GulfBreeze (McCain is our nominee. No one else.)
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