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Hawn turns self in on bison slaying charges ( Atzlan Native Community mentioned )
The Park County Republican & Fairplay Flume ^ | 5/15/2008 | Mike Potter

Posted on 05/16/2008 6:15:16 AM PDT by george76

Texas businessman Jeff Hawn was charged May 8 in the March slaying of 32 bison near Hartsel and faces one count of class 3 felony theft, one count of class 3 felony criminal mischief and 32 counts of aggravated cruelty to animals, each a class 6 felony.

Hawn turned himself in to the Park County Jail on May 12 and bonded out...

Kobe Bryant's attorney

The arrest warrant affidavit indicates that the bison had been killed over the course of a number of weeks.

For instance, it states that on April 1 officers "retrieved a spent bullet from one of the wasted bison carcasses that had been shot weeks prior to the first contact with hunters at the Hawn property."

The Colorado Bureau of Investigation also matched a bullet cartridge case found on Forest Service land near the scene of dead bison to a 30.06 rifle found in Hawn's home.

In a Feb. 25 letter addressed to Antonino Salcedo, Hawn gave permission to Salcedo and his "Atzlan Native Community" colleagues, based in Gardner, Colo., to "remove the buffalo from my ranch."

(Excerpt) Read more at theflume.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Colorado; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: ar; atzlan; austin; aztlan; banglist; bison; corruption; crueltytoanimals; downare; hawn; hunting; jefferyhawn; jeffhawn; jeffreyscotthawn; montedownare; propertyrights; scotthawn; vaughndownare; wateredge
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To: Malsua
Isn't it amazing that some people can read what I wrote and not understand it.

Did I refer to you at all?

No! So I guess you are just responding because you are feeling guilty?

Give it a rest!
41 posted on 05/16/2008 8:45:11 AM PDT by TexanByBirth (You can't fix stupid!... comedian Ron White)
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To: TexanByBirth

Got some toe jam in the teeth do ya?


42 posted on 05/16/2008 8:46:26 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: XeniaSt

Excellent summary.


43 posted on 05/16/2008 8:51:12 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Excellent summary.

There's been a lot of confusion and subtle points missed by
those out of state, who do not understand MEChA and AZTLAN

44 posted on 05/16/2008 9:01:03 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: XeniaSt

AZTLAN ==> ATZLAN


45 posted on 05/16/2008 9:02:14 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: george76
Having read the entire Flume article, I construct in my own mind the following chain of events that appears to be logical from the article.

1) Jeff Hawn has had a problem with Buffalo intruding upon and damaging his property.
2) He has a fence on his property that is in dispute as to legal status, but was incapable of keeping the buffalo out.
3) Hawn had filed civil lawsuit against the principal owners of the buffalo and has received a countersuit.
4) Based upon his ownership of the land and his view of his rights, he invited an organized group to hunt / capture buffalo on his land and provided maps to show boundaries of same.
5) Law Enforcement investigators have found matching characteristics between rifle slug, cartridge casing and a personal rifle of Jeff Hawn.
6) The cartridge was found off of the landowner's property in Forest Service Land.
7) Buffalo carcasses have been found in many locations with majority off his property with death estimates scattered over an indefinite but several week period.
8) At the time of the actual hunt in question Mr Hawn was not at the property, however some of the earlier buffalo kills were clearly visible from his residence.

From this it looks to me that Jeff Hawn became impatient with the course of the lawsuit as his property continued to suffer damage and the buffalo owners could not or would not stop these incursions. He had killed at least 2 buffalo himself and there may be evidence pointing to suspicion of one kill off of his property.
He then opens his property to a non-professional group of hunters to remove the intruding buffalo by death or capture, providing same with property maps. When informed by [telephone?] that more money would be needed by this non-professional group, he responds with a single week timeline before he would hire others to remove the buffalo for a fee.

From the facts presented, it looks like these amateur hunters went 'off reservation' and killed outside the property line. This would probably make Mr Hawn civilly responsible for damages there but I don't see the criminal case for the hunter's actions especially since he was not present for the hunt. If he can be positively tied to making a personal kill off of his property, then under Colorado's 'free range' provisions he may be both civilly and criminally responsible.

In any case this appears to end up being a rather foolish and very expensive exercise on Mr Hawn's part. He will now be facing both criminal and civil proceedings as a 'foreigner' (Texan) in a Colorado Court with local adversaries. It would probably have been cheaper to maintain the document trail of damages for his civil suit already filed.

46 posted on 05/16/2008 9:02:58 AM PDT by SES1066 (Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
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To: MtnClimber

Of the 32 bison killed, only eight were shot on the Hawn property.

The rest were killed on property not owned or controlled by Hawn and his Wateredge Properties.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/16291287/detail.html?rss=den&psp=news


47 posted on 05/16/2008 9:04:37 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: TexanByBirth
Austin is like Boulder.

LOL! Yep. Sister cities in every respect.

48 posted on 05/16/2008 9:05:30 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The GOP death march to the gravesite is underway.)
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To: XeniaSt
There are many other dimensions to this situation.

Obviously I wrote mine before I saw yours. It appears that we are in no significant disagreement although I was trying to be dispassionate and not read anything beyond the obvious. I perhaps could / should have waited but it was an interesting exercise in logic.

49 posted on 05/16/2008 9:11:23 AM PDT by SES1066 (Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
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To: Malsua
Got some toe jam in the teeth do ya?

No, my teeth are clean. I had them cleaned at the dentist about a month ago!

Give it a rest! You have already pulled down your pants and shown those of us in "flyover" country your butt once! We don't need to be reminded of it again!
50 posted on 05/16/2008 9:13:38 AM PDT by TexanByBirth (You can't fix stupid!... comedian Ron White)
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To: SES1066

Jeff Hawn ( and other city people ) should stay in Austin if he can not follow another state’s laws.

Allegedly :

Jeff Hawn killed and directed others to kill livestock on BLM and USFS land.

Jeff Hawn killed and directed others to kill livestock on land that Jeff Hawn did not own.


51 posted on 05/16/2008 9:16:18 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Malsua
The Bison kept intruding so he authorized people to come shoot them.

I'd like to know how the guy [Hawn] can authorize someone to break the law and I believe the Sheriff and prosecutors would also like to know that.

52 posted on 05/16/2008 9:18:55 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: SES1066
Hawn inflamed the situation by hiring illegal alien activists to slaughter his neighbor's livestock.

53 posted on 05/16/2008 9:24:41 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: george76

Looks like now that Pamela is his lawyer we’re going to start getting the spin. She’s going to get very dizzy if she’s going to get this turkey off. :-)


54 posted on 05/16/2008 9:26:10 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: XeniaSt

For those who are not familiar with MEChA:

Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan
“Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.”
“Everything for the race. Everything outside the race, nothing.”

Just the Chicano version of the Black Panthers. Marxist separatists.


55 posted on 05/16/2008 9:26:35 AM PDT by MtnClimber (Obama pledges to give every typical small town white family a possum sandwich)
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To: MtnClimber
Again for those who do not understand Aztlan and their goals


56 posted on 05/16/2008 9:31:31 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: XeniaSt
Hawn inflamed the situation by hiring illegal alien activists to slaughter his neighbor's livestock.

I fully agree that this gent seems to have gone out of his way to be 'stuck on stupid'! His best shot right now would probably be to sell the property and put the proceeds into escrow for the criminal and civil outcomes. Knowing that he would be gone might make it cheaper in the long run.

57 posted on 05/16/2008 9:33:55 AM PDT by SES1066 (Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
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To: jazusamo

Pamela has already started the spin.

Hopefully we do not have a gutless DA who will cave in to a ridiculous plea bargain


58 posted on 05/16/2008 9:36:33 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: MtnClimber

This ‘aztlan turtle tribe’ mentioned is a made up tribe of misfits.

http://www.turtletribe.org/about_turtletribe.htm


59 posted on 05/16/2008 9:37:03 AM PDT by AuntB (Vote Obama! ..........Because ya can't blame 'the man' when you are the 'man'.... Wanda Sikes)
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To: SES1066
He may have been set up by the fellow, he, Hawn bought the land from in 1995.

60 posted on 05/16/2008 9:38:26 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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