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Indian village proud after double "honor killing."
Reuters ^ | Fri May 16, 2008 | Simon Denyer

Posted on 05/16/2008 1:28:55 PM PDT by Antioch

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To: Antioch

Another reason to thank God I live in the US of A.


21 posted on 05/16/2008 1:43:13 PM PDT by Melinda
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To: Prole; Antioch; All

From “Haryana Travel Guide” at http://www.indiasite.com/haryana/religion.html

Religion & Culture

The People

Haryanavi People Haryana constitues about 2% of the total population of India. A major part of its people live in rural areas and are Hindus.

The Jats are the largest segment of the poulation and are concentrated in Rohtak, Bhiwani, Hisar, Karnal, Gurgaon and nearby areas.

The Ahirs, Rajputs, Gujjars, Bania, Khatris and Sikhs make up for the rest.

The Scheduled Castes are rare, while the artisan castes such as Sunars (goldsmiths), Lohars (blacksmiths), Telis (oil traders) Nais (barbers) and dhobis (launderers) are found throughout the state and especially in villages.

The Schedules castes, normally looked down by the higher castes like the Brahmins and the Rajputs, but in recent times they have been able to progress through reservation in jobs although the basic occupation is agriculture.

Religion

The majority of people in Haryana follow Hinduism and observe traditional Hindu beliefs. The main gods worshipped are Shiva, Vishnu, Rama, Krishna, Hanuman and Kali, apart from others.

Most of the temples are built for Vishnu and Shiva, with the former being more popular as Rama and Narayan.

Muslims make up about 5% of the total population. Although Islam does not preach casteism, there are three categories of Muslims in Haryana. The Asharf or Sharaf (noble) form the higher caste, and the Ajlaf (base or mean) is the middle with Arzal (lowest of all) coming at the end. There are Muslim Rajputs as well as converted Muslims. Christians, Jains and Buddhists are few and scattered across the state, while Sikhs are in large numbers in central and west Haryana.

¤ Rituals

Rituals abound in India, and consequently in Haryana. Simply because without rituals Hinduism would be a damp squib. Marriages, deaths, births, anything and everything – they’re all subjected to a thousand rituals.

¤ Languages

With Hindi, Punjabi and Urdu forming the main languages, there are numerous dialects which are spoken throughout the length and breadth of Haryana.

However, almost all of them have their base in Hindi with a smattering of Urdu and Punjabi thrown in for good measure. In towns and cities, English is still to be adopted as the household lingo, but is spoken in a hazy mixture of Hindi.

The most striking feature of Haryana is its language itself; or rather, the manner in which it is spoken. Popularly known as Haryanavi (also known as Bangru or Jutu).

Trying to speak Haryanavi can be fairly simple for those who speaks Hindi.

¤ Festivals & Fairs

Aah, talk about holidays (or festivals, as they are known in India). In India it seems festivals were invented so that people could stop working. Haryana follows the same principle.

There are the standard Indian festivals like Holi, Diwali, Id, Muharram, Baisakhi – and there is plenty of time left to arrange for fairs and all sorts of events.

Most well attended are the ones which revolve around cattle, or the cattle fairs. Everyone in rural Haryana seems to love cattle, and urban Haryana hates it, especially on their roads. Anyway, cattle fairs are the happening thing here, and if you’re anybody or nobody, you’ve just got to go to one. Remember to take along a nicely cologned handkerchief.
There’s entertainment for women and children too – they can take a ride in a huge circular contraption which goes around in circles with creaking protests. Or they can buy wooden things which only they can put to good use.

¤ The Suraj Kund Crafts Mela

This is one of the best in Haryana if you’re looking for local goodies, ranging from pottery to weaves to stone and wood work.

The standard is rather good, and if you’re here in early February (when the mela happens), you must buy.

The prices are relatively low compared to emporia, and some of the stuff can be amazing. The mela offers a huge variety and additional knowhow can be elicited from the real makers of the goodies instead of bored shopkeepers. Oh yes, the venue is Suraj Kund.


23 posted on 05/16/2008 1:45:39 PM PDT by WL-law
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To: Prole; rightwingintelligentsia

I’m not certain, but I’m leaning toward Hindu based on the “Jat caste” reference.


24 posted on 05/16/2008 1:45:44 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Frank_2001

Interestingly, the caste system is actually still present among many Sikhs and Muslims of the region, tacitly at least. In Pakistan there is a lot of this in the villages, where high-caste families lord it over the low.


25 posted on 05/16/2008 1:46:16 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: Antioch
"We would not have had a face to show if we had not done this. It was the act of 'real men'."

Real men kick pregnant women in the stomach and then strangle them to death?

26 posted on 05/16/2008 1:46:29 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: buwaya
Got it.

The thing that boils my blood is that we all know that these people use their "religion" as the reason for committing murder.

The thing that REALLY angers me is the fact that Reuters makes no mention of their RELIGION being the primary motivator in the murder. Reuters only makes note of religion when it is connected to crimes committed by Judeo-Christian western folks.

Otherwise, it ain't gonna make the headlines because the b@st@rds at Reuters will forever run cover for Islamic terrorists and folks who are a cut from the same disgusting cloth.

Reuters is Josef Goebbels' dream come true.

27 posted on 05/16/2008 1:46:49 PM PDT by Prole (Pray for the families of Chris and Channon.)
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To: Antioch

Bet they would not take to kindly to a homosexual marriage.


28 posted on 05/16/2008 1:46:53 PM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: Slapshot68

“Then they reported to their jobs as Dell tech support specialists.”

That does it! I know that all cultures are of equal value but this is just about the limit that I can take. No more Dell products for me.


29 posted on 05/16/2008 1:47:36 PM PDT by 353FMG (Don't make the mistake to think that Government is a Friend of the People)
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To: Slapshot68
Their bodies, half-stripped, were laid out on the dirt outside Sunita's father's house for all to see, a sign that the family's "honor" had been restored

Celebrate Diversity!

30 posted on 05/16/2008 1:48:01 PM PDT by Wil H
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To: Prole
"62-year-old farmer Balwan Arya, sitting smoking a hookah"

Muslim!

31 posted on 05/16/2008 1:50:41 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: buwaya; rightwingintelligentsia
Thats correct, this is a Hindu honor killing.

The young man's name, "Singh," leads me to believe that he, at least, was Sikh rather than Hindu.

32 posted on 05/16/2008 1:50:54 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Antioch
The relatively prosperous northern state of Haryana is one of India's most conservative when it comes to caste, marriage and the role of women. Deeply patriarchal, caste purity is paramount and marriages are arranged to sustain the status quo.

There is an old Thai saying (Buddhist people's - not religious saying), "If you see a snake and an 'Indian Hindu' quickly kill the Indian." Not very PC but aimed at the arrogance of the caste system.

33 posted on 05/16/2008 1:51:34 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: DuncanWaring

Jats were originally an ethnic designation, they are a culturally distinct bunch, with somewhat different customs than other Indians, but interestingly they don’t seem to have a distinct language.

There are Hindu, Sikh and Muslim Jats.


34 posted on 05/16/2008 1:52:43 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: r9etb

“Singh” is not necessarily a Sikh name. There are Hindu Singh’s.


35 posted on 05/16/2008 1:53:36 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: RoseofTexas

Hookah’s are common across Asia, and are not specific to Muslims.


36 posted on 05/16/2008 1:54:58 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: Prole

no the names sound both Hindu and Sikh


37 posted on 05/16/2008 1:55:41 PM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: Antioch
Diversity
38 posted on 05/16/2008 1:56:04 PM PDT by redreno
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To: redreno

LOL


39 posted on 05/16/2008 2:00:57 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Prole

In this case, and for most of them in fact, it is not religion that justifies the killing, but custom.

The driver is not some version of Leviticus that requires a rigid response to a specific sin, but social status and personal values independent of religion. The key to this one is the shame and ostracism of the girls family.

There is nothing in any variety of Hindu belief as such, that I know of, that calls for such murders. There is nothing in some holy book that requires it.

Now, the customs and the religion often get conflated as the whole thing comes as a package with a given culture (and a certain culture may be carried by a religion, as very strict Muslims impose medieval Arab culture as part of the religious package, in the form of the Sunnah), but there certainly are cultures where a given religion comes with a very different set of customs.


40 posted on 05/16/2008 2:04:56 PM PDT by buwaya
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