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US court: Paper money discriminates against blind
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Posted on 05/20/2008 7:56:57 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

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To: Jess Kitting
So, if many other countries have already explained why this would be an unreasonable burden, then it shouldn't be difficult for the U.S. to do so as well.

Have you ever dealt with the monopoly money of other countries?

Besides you could instantly determine the content of a bankroll seriously disabling the old roll of hundred trick, how humiliating.

61 posted on 05/20/2008 11:21:15 AM PDT by itsahoot (We will have world government. The only question is whether by conquest or consent.)
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To: corkoman
As long as there is a PHASED-IN period where the new bills replace aging ones (they have a short half-life anyway) this is no big deal.

Decades worth of Bureau of Engraving and Printing process, since 1929, has been built upon the fact that bills are 6.14 × 2.61 inches, and a full sheet of paper from Crane & Company is 20.88 x 24.56 inches. I think it'd be a much bigger deal than one might think at first.

62 posted on 05/20/2008 11:23:58 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Positive

They are too redeemable, I just redeemed a five dollar bill for a Mexican pizza, a couple of tacos and a drink.

Value of all goods and monies are subject to change, whim, and the perceived value of others. Gold is of no intrinsic value to me, can’t eat it, too heavy to put over my head, blunts easily when fashioned into a spear.

Get used to the fact that values almost everything is only worth what the next guy will give you for it.


63 posted on 05/20/2008 11:28:11 AM PDT by Andrewksu
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To: thundrey
"It’s not going to cost billions."

Please provide the details if you are going to make an absolute statement.

"... suck it up and stop whining...."

You folks that can't defend your own assertions always have to resort to describing other's contentions as whining, don't you?

This country's founding documents give every citizen the guarantee of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is not the obligation of everyone else to provide it for them so that each citizen can experience their own little utopia.

How about this: let the blind use a debit card or credit card? How about this: if there is enough of a market in the needs of the blind, some creative genius somewhere in the world would be developing products to fill that need. Isn't that a beautiful concept?

64 posted on 05/20/2008 11:31:00 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde ("When the government fears the people there is liberty ... " Thomas Jefferson)
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To: thundrey; JustaDumbBlonde
suck it up and stop whining....

Good advice, why don't you take it yourself?

65 posted on 05/20/2008 11:37:01 AM PDT by itsahoot (We will have world government. The only question is whether by conquest or consent.)
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To: mvpel

they could always move that holographic number which is a bit of a bump to different parts of the bill.

I hope they do appeal this.


66 posted on 05/20/2008 11:39:35 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Sub-Driver

Note Teller 2 is accurate, reliable and easy to operate. Bank notes can be inserted and read in any orientation. It turns on and off quickly and automatically.

http://www.enablemart.com/Catalog/Misc-Low-Vision-Items/Note-Teller-2


67 posted on 05/20/2008 11:40:36 AM PDT by EBH ( ... the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness. --Alculin c.735-804)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“We could encode the money so it can be read by a scanner.”

I think we are already there. Doesn’t new money come with a flat plastic/metal thread that can be read by scanners?


68 posted on 05/20/2008 11:46:18 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: ConservaTexan
"Newspapers, magazines, billboards, pedestrian signals, voting booths etc. discriminate against the blind. I guess its time to redesign the whole country to give everybody that warm-fuzzy feeling."

Our drive-up ATM at the bank doesn't discriminate. Figure THAT one out...

69 posted on 05/20/2008 11:47:13 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: itsahoot

I don’t recall me whining in this thread....


70 posted on 05/20/2008 12:13:03 PM PDT by thundrey
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To: Sub-Driver

The INCOME TAX discriminates against the middle class working people, and the blind.
Is there a lawsuit here?


71 posted on 05/20/2008 12:36:12 PM PDT by XR7
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To: weegee

It is not that hard to put braille on a bill.

It would be difficult to make a car drivable by the blind.

That is the purpose of “reasonable accomodation”.

If it would be too hard to make the bills useful for blind people, the government simply had to make that case to the judge.


72 posted on 05/20/2008 12:46:28 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT (Green, but not gullible)
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To: Andrewksu
Gold is of no intrinsic value to me...Get used to the fact that values almost everything is only worth what the next guy will give you for it.

Gold maintains its purchasing power.
That is why our founding fathers referred to it as "money."
Paper dollars are not real money.
They are IOU's that at one time could be exchanged for real money. (gold/silver).
The paper bills do not even state that anymore.
They are merely pretty pieces of paper that may or may not be accepted for exchange tomorrow.
An ounce of gold in 1895 would buy you a handmade, tailored men's suit - same as it will today.
You could buy an ounce of gold for $35 in 1895.
35 paper dollars today will not buy you an ounce of gold, or the suit.

73 posted on 05/20/2008 12:46:34 PM PDT by XR7
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

You said “It will take billions to replace these”

He said it wouldn’t.

Why is he the only one who has to provide details for his undocumented assertions? Why not both of you provide some information backing up your competing claims?

More then 30 countries have money that includes raised markings which distinguish the denominations. Our current bills have raised areas as part of the anti-counterfeit processing.

BTW, the National Federation for the Blind used to be opposed to “specially marked money” because they felt it sent the wrong message that blind people needed special help. I don’t know if that is still their position.

And it could be that with the special variations in our bills these days, a blind person could learn to distinguish the bills.

There are machines that read bills that are pretty expensive. There are also “braille markers” sold that blind people can use to mark the money they have. It doesn’t help them verify they aren’t being cheated by an incompetent cashier, but once they know what a bill is in their hand, they can mark it with the machine.

If it was an update based on the next design of plates, adding raised marks would be a negligible additional cost to the bills. This would certainly be easier than doing different size bills.


74 posted on 05/20/2008 1:00:32 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT (Green, but not gullible)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

BTW, the ACB (American Council for the Blind) I think support this lawsuit. And I think the National Federation for the Blind still opposes it, but I’m not sure.


75 posted on 05/20/2008 1:06:27 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT (Green, but not gullible)
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To: Sub-Driver
I don't care if they emboss paper money for the blind just as long as they don't let them have hunting licenses.
76 posted on 05/20/2008 1:15:32 PM PDT by TheThinker (Capitalism is the natural result of a democratic government.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Just do what the late Ray Charles did;..He insisted on being paid with one dollar bills only.
77 posted on 05/20/2008 2:47:11 PM PDT by 4yearlurker (I miss Ronnie!!!!!)
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To: trussell
A federal appeals court says paper money discriminates against blind people.

Federal appeals court says blind must barter with debit cards.

Makes as much sense if not even more sense....

78 posted on 05/20/2008 3:53:11 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: TheThinker
I don't care if they emboss paper money for the blind just as long as they don't let them have hunting licenses.

They need to know how much they are paying for their permit to carry. ; )

79 posted on 05/20/2008 3:55:17 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Scanner....interesting and a brilliant idea...trouble is though that the blind would force the US government would be forced to supply every blind person with one....more tax money .

You should patent the idea.....little bar code in each corner.......with the numbers also....

80 posted on 05/20/2008 3:57:56 PM PDT by Gaffer
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