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Christians copy Christ killers, says Obama pastor's magazine
World Net Daily ^ | 5/20/08 | Asron Klein

Posted on 05/20/2008 6:22:40 PM PDT by hope

By Aaron Klein © 2008 WorldNetDaily

JERUSALEM – White Christians are "make pretend" believers and conservative Christians emulate the people who killed Jesus, according to articles in a controversial magazine run by Sen. Barack Obama's longtime pastor that paint traditional Christianity as false and racist.

Stanley Kurtz, a National Review Online contributor, concluded after reviewing two years of Rev. Jeremiah Wright's Trumpet Magazine that the Trinity United Church of Christ pastor practices a black liberation theology brand of Christianity that "sees his own form of Christianity as profoundly different from Christianity as typically practiced by most American whites and blacks."

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: dncfalseprophets; evil; falseprophets; obama; wright

1 posted on 05/20/2008 6:31:05 PM PDT by hope
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To: hope
I thought "....damn America" couldn't be topped. Now it has.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 05/20/2008 6:35:21 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: hope

It’s nice to know that Obama and the rest of his Whiner Family sat in that “church” for years and absorbed the demented ravings of “Pastor” Wright. Obama is obviously qualified to represent the lunatic Liberal DemonRat Party. He should be elected President of Loony Liberal Land for life.


3 posted on 05/20/2008 6:43:31 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY ((((Obama's issues would be better resolved in a psychotherapists office, than in the Oval Office))))
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To: hope

Jerry Wright does a mighty fine impersonation of a Mohammadan.


4 posted on 05/20/2008 6:43:39 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: hope
I don't understand how he could say this.

Jesus Christ is the spotless lamb of God, innocent.

Sinful men murdered him.

The unborn child in the womb, while not spotless, is nevertheless free from evil deed.

People who believe like Obama view them as a "punishment" and murder them - in numbers that dwarf any casualty figures from Iraq.

That nullifies not only BO's ridiculous and inane argument here, but the Left's entire premise about the war. They need to talk about the ignorance- and special interest-driven war that has taken 50 MILLION lives - and stop hiding from it - before they can expect to have even ONE IOTA of credibility on any other war.

5 posted on 05/20/2008 6:46:10 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: hope

There’s not a lot of difference between these ravings and the ravings of white separatists. Interesting.


6 posted on 05/20/2008 6:50:46 PM PDT by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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To: hope

That church needs to be purged of the erroneous, moonbat, unBiblical teachings of Jeremiah Wright and come to understand fundamental New Testament Christianity that is not a racial agenda masked under the guise of such.

The mere fact they embrace the blatantly anti-Christian muslim doctrine of Calypso Louie and NOI and go against the Hand of God restoring the nation of Israel JUST AS HE SAID HE WOULD is prime evidence of their grave error.


7 posted on 05/20/2008 6:51:27 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: hope

Yeah, you know, the “garlic noses”, those rich white Europeans “the EYEtalians”. They killed Black Jesus.

This is old news. Nothing that Wright himself didn’t say.

So the whole flipping Black Supremacist church is racist. yep. We’ve known that. Nothing was out of context. It was an inconvenient truth.

Where are the Democrats who stood up for Wright and said he was just telling the TRUTH?


8 posted on 05/20/2008 6:55:03 PM PDT by weegee (We cant keep our homes on 72 at all times & just expect that other countries are going to say OK -BO)
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To: F15Eagle
Here is the quote that needs to appear in this thread:

"The black theologian must reject any conception of God which stifles black self-determination by picturing God as a God of all peoples. Either God is identified with the oppressed to the point that their experience becomes God's experience, or God is a God of racism," writes Cone in his defining book, "Black Theology of Liberation."

Unpacking this: According to Cone,

(A) all conceptions of God that include peoples from "every nation and all tribes and peoples and tounges" (Rev. 7:9)

ARE

(B) stifling of black self-determination.

Let's analyze this further by testing it with hypotheticals:

(A) some (all-race inclusive) conceptions of God.

ARE

(B) stifling of black self-determination.

Drawing on our experience, we know this one to be true. However:

(A) not all (all-inclusive) conceptions of God

ARE

(B) stifling of black self-determination.

If this is true, then his statement is false, since ALL A are B and NOT ALL A are B cannot both be valid. Moving from syllogism to paradigm, can we think of any churches where blacks and whites worship together in harmony?

No, what this gentlemen and those like him have is an inferiority complex which they've come to counter by setting up themselves, by reason of their "victimhood", as a "master race." While is very true that God cares for the oppressed, the widow, the orphan, it is also true that a broken and contrite heart He will not despise. What these folks have is not contrition for their sin, or humility, but its opposite: pride. In short, they are emulating Adam's original sin: wanting to be like God.

They will continue in their unhappiness (and even their poverty, excepting Rev. Wright who profits handsomely from such teaching) as long as they wallow in their victimhood and "poor me"-ism rather than rendering thankful gratitude to a mighty but merciful Creator, Redeemer, and Sustainer. The latter would almost certainly bring material blessing as well.

9 posted on 05/20/2008 7:12:00 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: hope
And Jesus said to him, "The foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head."

...and Rev. Wright has a 10,000 sq.ft. house to lay his head. Sure sounds like a follower of Christ to me.

10 posted on 05/20/2008 7:20:22 PM PDT by CASchack
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To: prairiebreeze

bump for later read


11 posted on 05/20/2008 7:25:50 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (I didn't leave the republicans, they left me.)
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To: hope
This is Obama's Jesus:


12 posted on 05/20/2008 7:29:12 PM PDT by Fox_Mulder77
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To: hope

Feel the love from Rev. Wright


13 posted on 05/20/2008 7:31:33 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Lexinom
Another contradiction. Obama:

I'm rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.

Christ:

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6).

Either A) Obama is ignorant of Christ's words;
B) Obama is a liar, and not really rooted in the Christian Tradition;
C) Obama is truthful about his faith, knows the words of Christ, yet rejects them believing His Christ to be a liar;
D) Obama is a follower of a different Gospel than then one found in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

14 posted on 05/20/2008 7:32:51 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom
Either A) Obama is ignorant of Christ's words; B) Obama is a liar, and not really rooted in the Christian Tradition; C) Obama is truthful about his faith, knows the words of Christ, yet rejects them believing His Christ to be a liar; D) Obama is a follower of a different Gospel than then one found in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

I'd say he's A,B,C, and D combined.

15 posted on 05/20/2008 7:37:18 PM PDT by Fox_Mulder77
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To: Lexinom

Let me also point out the fact that Wright says Jesus is one of God’s prophets................ which is totally against what the bible teaches!! Muslims believe Jesus is a prophet.


16 posted on 05/20/2008 7:39:20 PM PDT by Fox_Mulder77
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To: hope

“Reverend” Wright is not a Christian. He’s a huckster leading his own cult. He gets a pass from the leftists, because he’s their kind of guy.


17 posted on 05/20/2008 7:47:21 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Concerned about the price of arugula)
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To: hope

Black self determination? The truth in terms of Christianity is self determination as an aspect of democracy dies the moment the Lord Jesus Christ sets foot back upon the planet. The Son of God is not a president. He is the King of Kings! It’s the Lord’s way or the highway.

JFaron


18 posted on 05/20/2008 7:59:40 PM PDT by JFaron (What price the loss of our sovereignty?)
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To: hope
White Christians are "make pretend" believers and conservative Christians emulate the people who killed Jesus, according to articles in a controversial magazine run by Sen. Barack Obama's longtime pastor that paint traditional Christianity as false and racist.

I've got more faith and love in my little finger than he has in his entire racist church.

19 posted on 05/20/2008 8:22:03 PM PDT by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: Fox_Mulder77

The funniest part of the Obamanable SnowMan’s attempt to go a snow job on America is that there is a tribe of blacks in Africa who claimed they were really Jews.

Eventually, the Israeli’s did some genetic testing and found that the black Africans were in reality Jews - and that they had genetic markers indicating that they were Cohenim, too boot!

Yep, they were members of the two priestly classes from the time of the Temple.

PS Under the Right of Return, Israel brought them to Israel.

PPS Black Liberation theologians are fortunate, indeed, that Jesus is very unlikely to show up and pass judgement on their “interpretation” of His words.


20 posted on 05/20/2008 8:33:04 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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bfl


21 posted on 05/20/2008 8:37:24 PM PDT by Titan Magroyne ("Shorn, dumb and bleating is no way to go through life, son." Yeah, close enough.)
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To: CASchack
...and Rev. Wright has a 10,000 sq.ft. house to lay his head. Sure sounds like a follower of Christ to me.

What's he going to do if Jesus shows up at his door and is a white man? Maybe HE will take his 10K sq ft house and give it to po' white folk. LOL

22 posted on 05/20/2008 8:38:48 PM PDT by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: Lexinom

How about “all of the above”


23 posted on 05/20/2008 8:41:39 PM PDT by Enchante (Barack Chamberlain: My 1930s Appeasement Policy Goes Well With My 1960s Socialist Policies!)
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To: hope
Until I see and read denouncements from other black ministers, I will believe they all preach this.

Odds are some don't get this statement.

24 posted on 05/20/2008 8:52:55 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Demorats tax returns consists of "welfare in" and " child support out.")
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To: Fox_Mulder77
That is quite interesting! Christians do confess Jesus as prophet, priest, and king, but the emphasis on his prophetical office (and the absence of the other two) is characteristic of Islam. This could be used to straddle the fence, esp. given BO's "many paths" doctrine.
25 posted on 05/20/2008 9:02:06 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: hope; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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26 posted on 05/20/2008 9:03:15 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: CASchack
The Rev. Wrong's "Wright House":


The Rev's Retirement Crib. Under construction. Paid for by the church.


27 posted on 05/20/2008 9:18:57 PM PDT by XR7
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To: Lexinom

Sorry Obama, the “path” thru Havana or Caracas or Pyongyang or Teheran is not the path to Christ.

And I say this as a Jew.

Obama - America’s biggest internal threat to our security.

Still stuck on stupid, or worse.


28 posted on 05/20/2008 11:22:46 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Lexinom

Sorry Obama, the “path” thru Havana or Caracas or Pyongyang or Teheran is not the path to Christ.

And I say this as a Jew.

Obama - America’s biggest internal threat to our security.

Still stuck on stupid, or worse.


29 posted on 05/20/2008 11:23:41 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: XR7

Re Rev. Wright’s house; That’s some “Crib”. I’d hate to see the Baby.


30 posted on 05/20/2008 11:24:50 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: XR7

Re Rev. Wright’s house; That’s some “Crib”. I’d hate to see the Baby.


31 posted on 05/20/2008 11:25:10 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: hope

Ping to read later


32 posted on 05/21/2008 6:07:25 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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To: All

Awesome video:

The same kind of terrorists who support Obama did this:
http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/
Never apologize for them.
Never appease them.
Never forget.


33 posted on 05/21/2008 6:37:48 AM PDT by cyberella
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To: hope
“How do I tell my children about the African Jesus who is not the guy they see in the picture of the blond-haired, blue-eyed guy in their Bible or the figment of white supremacists [sic] imagination that they see in Mel Gibson's movies?”

I saw Gibson's movie. He did have a goy play Jesus (which was probably indicative of the beliefs of Mr. Mel “the Jews start all the wars” Gibson), but he put him in brown contacts and glued on a prosthetic nose.

34 posted on 05/21/2008 7:17:20 AM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: All

I get so sick and tired of both sides, liberals and conservatives, trying to put our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, in liberal/conservative boxes. He transcends the paradigm.

Obama’s pastor is dead wrong on so many counts, especially the “multiple paths” argument which is, black and white (no pun intended) wrong according to any reasonable interpretation of the Scripture.

He is right on a few counts, but wrong on so many more. If you take any issue, you should be able to see that Jesus transcends the paradigm.

Take homosexuality, for instance. The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin. If He were here, Jesus would concur. That does not give me an excuse, however, to hate homosexuals, refuse to work with them, or preach to them in such a way that exalts myself as being superior.

Instead, I should be speaking the truth in love at a time when I am led to do so by the Holy Spirit. After all, it is just a sin and I have a long list that, save the grace of Christ, I would literally have hell to pay for. That is not said to minimize sin, it is just the fact of my being a sinner.

Christianity’s biggest problem has been those who use tolerance and love as a means to subvert the nasty truth about sin and about the way to salvation (as Wright has done) and, conversely, those who use the sins of others as a way of exalting themselves and feeling superior. Christ was ruthless in speaking truth and in living without sin yet he was the most humble person to walk the earth. That’s an amazing, amazing thing if you think about it. It flies in the face of everything the world tells you.

Jesus was an unbending conservative with respect to the truth and he was (still is, actually) a heart-bleeding liberal when it comes to grace.

Obama’s pastor, however, appears to seek retribution.

The scariest thing about Wright is that he and his circle of friends such as Obama and then Oprah have the platform to deceive multitudes with a feel-good, no sin, multiple paths New-age religion.

While I’m open to the idea that Bush may be a wolf in sheep’s clothing, that would not give me any justification for hating the man or even looking down on him. Even if Bush is a Baal follower, it still doesn’t make Wright right.
The only reason that I bring that up is that, in these confusing times where many Freepers believe that Bush is doing bad things with regard to the border, Israel, etc, a grain of semi-truth about Bush’s loyalties does not make everything else in Wright’s web true. After all, a good lie incorporates many elements of the truth. I do not have any idea what the truth is anymore with respect to today’s current geopolitical situation. I just know that Christ is Lord and what will come will come. Trials and tribulations, even THE tribulation, are not a bad thing if they lead multitudes to Christ.

I try to remember that from time to time when I worry if I’ll still be able to vaction in Florida or Vegas in 5 years. So, we are very likely to be stuck with Obama and socialist policy and a grim economic outlook. If this brings more to Christ, then it is actually not a bad thing. Doubtless, I will probably wallow in self-pity at some point, but I have to remember that.

I believe Bush is wrong on many issues and I have many times thought him to be a corporate pawn and a big-government liberal, but I still pray for him and I genuinely hope that one day in heaven, I will get to sit down and listen to him tell his story. After all, I’m not any less at fault for the state of the world than he is (only understood through the lens of man’s sinful nature).


35 posted on 05/21/2008 7:43:58 AM PDT by TheRiverNile
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To: hope

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36 posted on 05/21/2008 8:13:25 AM PDT by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: Jaded

bump for exposure


37 posted on 05/21/2008 8:24:56 AM PDT by hope
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To: TheRiverNile
Sola Gracia BUMP
38 posted on 05/21/2008 10:02:41 AM PDT by XR7
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Obama is certainly no friend to Jews. Aside from his tacit support for regimes that hate Israel, his views on social and ethical issues are in blatant contradiction to God’s precepts laid out in the Pentateuch (which I’ve been studying intensely these last few weeks). This man is no friend to Israel, and no friend to Judaism.


39 posted on 05/21/2008 11:47:20 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
Picture's worth a thousand words:


40 posted on 05/21/2008 11:51:24 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom

>Either A) Obama is ignorant of Christ’s words;
B) Obama is a liar, and not really rooted in the Christian Tradition;
C) Obama is truthful about his faith, knows the words of Christ, yet rejects them believing His Christ to be a liar;
D) Obama is a follower of a different Gospel than then one found in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.<

D/E) You are ignorant of the whole OT/NT where paths and ways are in the plural to refer to either Lord.


41 posted on 05/25/2008 11:23:59 AM PDT by lysdecsia
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