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Did Humans Colonize The World By Boat
Discover Magazine ^ | 5-20-2008 | Heather Pringle

Posted on 05/20/2008 6:57:41 PM PDT by blam

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To: aft_lizard
Wasn’t there some evidence awhile back that early polynesians settled South America?

There have been several variations on that over the years.

--There was oriental pottery unearthed in Equador a number of decades ago.

--One of Thor Heyerdahl's early ideas involved Hawaiians or other Pacific Islanders reaching British Columbia.

--Just recently comes the idea that the Chumash canoe (along the Santa Barbara channel) originated in the Polynesian area. Here is a link for this idea.

21 posted on 05/20/2008 7:40:14 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: aft_lizard
"Wasn’t there some evidence awhile back that early polynesians settled South America?"

'First Americans Were Australian'

22 posted on 05/20/2008 7:40:56 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Good article Blam.

Try this one http://www.foteviken.se/sewnboat/part1/part1.htm

Just to recall, this piece was published back when they still thought nautical terms and technology had been passed on from German speaking people to the Sa'ami.

We now know it was the other way around with even some grammatical practices in the Sa'ami languages having found themselves firmly lodged in the German languages.

These "sewn boats" are actually plank boats curved against a sort of proto-frame, and tied in place through holes drilled at regular intervals.

The discovery sites of the most ancient extant boats occur in upland sites throughout Scandinavia. Total wrecks are found in the estuaries. The implication is that the boats were built in the mountains, used, sold down river, and finally put to work in the Actic Ocean, a very unforgiving environment.

The fundamental hullshape and ribbing designs are translated to the early Indo-Europeans (aka Vikings) at some period of time. The boats were scaled up and turned into the typical seagoing ships used by the Vikings.

This piece gives a good idea of what might well have been an Ice Age boat design. The writer, though, seems to think this design was the step up from dugouts ~ even though there were no trees large enough to be "dug out" in the Sapmai!

One important point for archaeologists should be that improved boat designs in Scandinavia came about first at an early age INLAND for use on wild glacier rivers and streams. Those boats were then modified for use in the far gentler ocean.

23 posted on 05/20/2008 7:45:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Coyoteman

“sewn-plank boats” were a world wide design. The question is where were they first developed.


24 posted on 05/20/2008 7:49:59 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Excellent addition, thanks.

Sewn boats of the North: A preliminary catalogue with introductory comments.

Boats being sewn in the inner Finnish area, from a woodcut in Olaus Magnus (1539, 1555)

25 posted on 05/20/2008 7:52:45 PM PDT by blam
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To: Kackikat
.Now that didn’t take just a few short years, there had to be colonies, break offs, and further migration which must have taken at least 50,000 yrs or more to develop as many tribes and sub tribes as there are, and have been discovered including the various languages...

AND if one tribe could take a boat and cross the Bering Straight, it would make sense many could.

As I understand it, the prevailing theory is that the Bering Straight crossing was by land, and around 12,000- 13,000 BC. The problems for researchers right now is reconciling the fact that it appears the glaciers prevented most further south and eastward movement until 11,000 to 10,000 BC or so, with other findings ndicating that humans were present in South America in 12,500. I've read some speculate that the early arrivals could have traveled south via raft or canoe, but up to now this has been viewed skeptically.

26 posted on 05/20/2008 7:56:06 PM PDT by MichiganMan (So you bought that big vehicle and now want to whine about how much it costs to fill it? Seriously?)
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To: blam

"Bring me that horizon!"

-Capt. Jack Sparrow, speaking for all sailors of every age.

27 posted on 05/20/2008 7:56:18 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: MichiganMan
"I've read some speculate that the early arrivals could have traveled south via raft or canoe, but up to now this has been viewed skeptically."

No more. The boat/raft theory/idea seems to have become quite popular in the last few years.

28 posted on 05/20/2008 7:59:08 PM PDT by blam
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To: MichiganMan

Argh, now I did it. Straight=Strait


29 posted on 05/20/2008 8:00:06 PM PDT by MichiganMan (So you bought that big vehicle and now want to whine about how much it costs to fill it? Seriously?)
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To: blam
"Posted on FR six years ago."

Slow and steady I am.

I'll get there eventually to the place where the Masters roam.

30 posted on 05/20/2008 8:53:35 PM PDT by Radix (The Army Times will not let me post "their images" of OUR Troops on Free Republic)
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31 posted on 05/20/2008 9:57:51 PM PDT by ASA Vet
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32 posted on 05/20/2008 10:19:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
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To: blam

This is interesting. This puts humans in the techology arena early in our evolution. It also may explain our curious need for lots of fresh water, relative to other critters, since on coasts, this would be less of a selective factor.

No wonder the neanders couldn’t keep up. Pity, since they would be great for selling auto insurance today.


33 posted on 05/20/2008 10:32:40 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: blam

He ought to be nervous. There are entrenched academics whose careers are cemented in the theory that the earliest humans came overland no ealier than 12,ooo years ago. And they like to destroy the careers of those who challenge them.


34 posted on 05/20/2008 10:48:42 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Our success as a species clearly owes much to those that are not content to look at horizons, but to go beyond them.Not a single one of us would be here today without those brave souls. To think of setting out into such total unknowns is almost alien to many today.

Roger that. When I think of what it took for the Vikings to set to sea... in tiny "ships" that were mere storm-bait without even the slightest of conveniences... I cannot imagine my own generation doing something of the kind.

And yet they travelled and traded with the world.

35 posted on 05/21/2008 12:24:27 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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36 posted on 05/21/2008 7:08:49 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Why go by boat when you can FLY?


37 posted on 05/21/2008 7:30:48 AM PDT by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
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To: blam

As our technology and expanding scopes of our civilization allow us to explore and expand the edges of archeological inquiry, we’ll discover more and more instances where human kind rose above the “noble savagery” that we equate with ancient times and achieved more than we give them credit for.

Our pre-formed ideas about the primitive man don’t give enough credit to the intelligence and curiosity that is inherent in our species. I give more credit to our current civilizations achievements to the relative stability of our climate over the last 6 thousand years than to any improvements in our overall intelligence. And we aren’t any less likely to become the next civilized victim of climate change at the rate we’re going... Carbon credits aren’t going to hold back the seas if the seas should rise, or if the climate changes in the other direction, carbon credits aren’t going to warm our homes in the ultra-long winters or feed our children.


38 posted on 05/21/2008 3:13:23 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Coyoteman

Well I went to college after 1970’s but that wasn’t the way it was taught, and my college was in top ten at the time.
However they got here is what it is, and not something I would argue about..just interesting that it sounded like some NEW discovery and I did not equate it as anything new.


39 posted on 05/21/2008 7:37:43 PM PDT by Kackikat ((No strong national security, and the rest of issues are mute points; chaos ensues.))
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To: Kackikat
Well I went to college after 1970’s but that wasn’t the way it was taught, and my college was in top ten at the time.

The idea was not taught until more recently. Harrison was a student at UCLA in the '60s, and had the idea in his dissertation. There was no evidence to go anywhere with it. Fladmark was writing from British Columbia, and again there was no data to support the idea for a while.

In the '90s the idea began to be supported from a number of places, including the increasingly old dates in both North and South America, and the reduction in the age of the ice free corridor. Pretty soon those two events crossed, and the early coastal migration had to be taken seriously.

40 posted on 05/21/2008 8:40:28 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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