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The fear of white decline
Los Angeles Times ^ | May 19, 2008 | Editorial

Posted on 05/23/2008 8:46:19 PM PDT by Lorianne

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To: kabar

Those same “Europeans” gave us the world’s oldest democracy

And thank G-d for it. But to say that this supposed “oneness” existed in this country for all its inhabitants is a downright lie.


61 posted on 05/25/2008 9:23:13 AM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: dennisw
Hey China is 99.99% Chinese. That must mean China is a racist nation.

Actually China has something like 20 different enthnicities in it. Not all that different to us but then White and Hispanics are not all that different to them.

Same for Japan which which is 99% Japanese

This is pretty much dead on and yeah they still are racist. But then again I'm almost to the point of not caring considering I expect the culture of Japan to outlast the USA at this point.

62 posted on 05/25/2008 9:48:18 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Party ahead of principles; eventually you'll be selling out anything to anyone for the right price.)
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To: 9YearLurker
To be fair, I think your 11M to 16M comparison is a bit off. Things aren’t quite that bad. That 16M is the tail end of the Boomers. Their offspring by and large are that baby boom echo generations now in their teens. The 11M you are pointing to I think more fairly are the echo of the ‘baby bust’ that came after the boomers. Table 8 seems to show an overall growth of nonhispanic white population of 1.6% between 2000 and 2006. Yes, we are probably a bit under replacement #’s for nonhispanic white reproduction, though of course some of that increasingly is going into an interracial/ethnic mix.

Look, I don't know how good you are at mathematics, but this is simple arithmetic: In a mere 35 years [about one generation for Caucusians], the Caucasian population has collapsed, from 16 million per five year segment, down to 11 million per five year segment.

This is also true of the Asian population, but it is NOT true of the Black or Hispanic populations: THERE IS NO "BABY BOOM" FOR BLACKS OR HISPANICS BECAUSE THEY NEVER STOPPED MAKING BABIES!!!

But back to the arithmetic: If you assume that people live to be about 75 years old, so that there are 15 five year segments in the population [15 X 5 = 75], then the long term Caucasian population should have been trending towards

15 X 16 million = 240 million
but instead it is in freefall, and may not even stabilize as low as
15 X 11 million = 165 million
Long term, THAT'S A LOSS OF 75 MILLION PEOPLE!!!, and we still don't know whether the Caucasian population collapse has hit rock bottom yet.
63 posted on 05/25/2008 10:13:35 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee (const Tag &referenceToConstTag)
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To: Centurion2000
But then again I'm almost to the point of not caring considering I expect the culture of Japan to outlast the USA at this point.

The situation in the Pacific Rim is even more dire than it is for Europe or "Blue State" America:

ASIAN NATION    IQ  2000 TFR  2007 TFR
Singapore      103      1.16      1.07
Taiwan         104      1.76      1.12
Japan          105      1.41      1.23
South Korea    106      1.72      1.28
Hong Kong      107      1.27      0.98

SOURCE: IQ and the Wealth of Nations
SOURCE: List of countries and territories by fertility rate

That's why I say that the civilized world is in danger of collapsing and disappearing, and that we are facing the very real possibility of the emergence of a new Dark Age [no pun intended].
64 posted on 05/25/2008 10:25:26 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee (const Tag &referenceToConstTag)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
No, again, it is primarily due to Caucasians not making babies anymore.

First, most Hispanics are classified as whites. If you read the link I provided, you will see that whites will still be 72% of the population by 2050 declining from the present 80%.

Yes, the decline in the white birthrate has had a big impact, but our immigration policy of admitting 1.2 million people a year has had a bigger impact on the demographics of this country than anything else. Our current fertility rate is 2.1, which is just at replacement level. However our annual population growth rate is .89%, the highest in the developed world. Our pro-population growth immigration policy is the reason why we will be a nation of half a billion people in less than 50 years and why we have added 100 million since 1970.

65 posted on 05/25/2008 10:56:17 AM PDT by kabar
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To: brwnsuga
But to say that this supposed “oneness” existed in this country for all its inhabitants is a downright lie.

How do you define "oneness?"

66 posted on 05/25/2008 10:58:32 AM PDT by kabar
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
You left out China with a TFR of 1.77.

That's why I say that the civilized world is in danger of collapsing and disappearing, and that we are facing the very real possibility of the emergence of a new Dark Age

Pure hyperbole. Here is a rank order of world TFRs. How long will your doomsday scenario of the civilized world "collapsing and disappearing" take?

67 posted on 05/25/2008 11:10:13 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
You left out China with a TFR of 1.77

Right - Chinese peasant women in the hinterlands, with IQs in the 80s and 90s, are still making babies [in violation of the 1-Child policy which is enforced - or voluntarily acquiesced to - in the urban areas].

But the Chinese women with the highest IQs - in the 110s, and 120s, and 130s, have almost completely ceased making babies altogether [as evinced by e.g. Hong Kong and Macau].

Pure hyperbole. Here is a rank order of world TFRs. How long will your doomsday scenario of the civilized world "collapsing and disappearing" take?

You don't understand: IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED!!!

Almost 100% of all babies are born to women under the age of 35, so it takes much less than four decades for the long term population trend of a nation to be altered irradicably.

The reason that people don't realize this yet is because it takes another 40 or 50 years for a top heavy population to retire and die off - but when the old people do begin to retire and die off, and when there are no children coming along to replace them, then you have a catastrophe.

In the United States, our fiscal day of reckoning is roughly 2020 - at that point, the great mass of Caucasian Boomers will [virtually overnight] go from being massive tax producers to being massive tax consumers, and the whole house of cards is going to collapse, and there will be chaos in the streets - quite literally - I am not being alarmist about this: OUR SOCIETY WILL FALL APART AT THE SEAMS.

68 posted on 05/25/2008 11:39:57 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee (const Tag &referenceToConstTag)
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To: kabar
If you read the link I provided, you will see that whites will still be 72% of the population by 2050 declining from the present 80%.

The overall percentages are utterly meaningless statistics [although, quite frankly, that 72% figure sounds way high to me, but more on that in a moment].

What matters is the percentage of the population which is of fertile age or of pre-fertile age, and within that fertile [& pre-fertile] population, what their fertility rates are [or will be].

Above about the age of 35 [the age at which almost all women have had almost all the children they are going to have], THE REST OF THE POPULATION IS DEMOGRAPHIC DEAD WEIGHT - in fact, to the extent that the young, fertile population is required to engage in massive wealth transfers to the old, barren population [via e.g. FICA and Medicare], the old barren population is worse than dead weight - for the young fertile people, it's like having their feet set in concrete and being thrown over the side of a boat in the Long Island sound by the [AARP] mafia.

First, most Hispanics are classified as whites.

Getting back to the question of your 72% figure: Pretending that the aboriginal & mestizo peoples of Central America, with average IQs no higher than the 70s or 80s [many, if not most, of whom are illiterate in Spanish because - not only are their IQs too low to support literacy - but because they don't even speak Spanish in the first place, but rather speak aboriginal languages with no history of written alphabets - e.g. the CIA lists various Mayan, Nahuatl, and other regional indigenous languages] - anyway, pretending that these aboriginal & mestizo peoples are Caucasians for strategic purposes is beyond ludicrous - it's societal & cultural suicide - genocide even.

69 posted on 05/25/2008 11:55:23 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee (const Tag &referenceToConstTag)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
But the Chinese women with the highest IQs - in the 110s, and 120s, and 130s, have almost completely ceased making babies altogether [as evinced by e.g. Hong Kong and Macau].

LOL. Are you saying that economic class and IQs are linked in a Communist country? Despite the fact that its fertility rate is less than replacement, China's population is still increasing and will continue to do for many years to come.

You don't understand: IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED!!!Almost 100% of all babies are born to women under the age of 35, so it takes much less than four decades for the long term population trend of a nation to be altered irradicably.

You are something of a drama queen. Population trends can change. We had the baby boomers after WWII. It caused a bubble in the trend line, i.e., a large cohort. According to UN population projections, the world's population is increasing by 57 million annually [the equivalent of the population of Italy] and will continue to do so until at least 2050. Developed countries that have declining populations can import skilled labor thru merit based immigration policies.

In the United States, our fiscal day of reckoning is roughly 2020 - at that point, the great mass of Caucasian Boomers will [virtually overnight] go from being massive tax producers to being massive tax consumers, and the whole house of cards is going to collapse, and there will be chaos in the streets - quite literally - I am not being alarmist about this: OUR SOCIETY WILL FALL APART AT THE SEAMS.

In 2020, according to the Bureau of the Census, the US population will be 336 million with 260 million being classified as white [77.6% of the population]. In 2000, the white population was 229 million. The biggest percentage increase in the US population between 2000 and 2020 will be asians who will increase from 11 million to 18 million.

The real danger to our society is the creation of a second underclass, i.e., Hispanics, who have the second highest level of out of wedlock births [45%] compared to 68% for blacks. And Hispanics have the highest school dropout rates with blacks second. The birthrate of Hispanics is twice that of the general population. Combined with immigration, legal and illegal, which is more than 60% Hispanic, the US faces the possibility of a Balkanized society along cultural and linguistic lines. We will not have a population problem.

70 posted on 05/25/2008 12:38:10 PM PDT by kabar
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
What matters is the percentage of the population which is of fertile age or of pre-fertile age, and within that fertile [& pre-fertile] population, what their fertility rates are [or will be].

I suggest you go to the Bureau of the Census site and check out the breakdown of the current population by age group. Yes, we are an aging society, but the median age of the US is still 36.7 years [female 38.1 years] and 20% of the population is under the age of 14.

0-14 years: 20.1% (male 31,257,108/female 29,889,645) 15-64 years: 67.1% (male 101,825,901/female 102,161,823) 65 years and over: 12.7% (male 16,263,255/female 22,426,914) (2008 est.)

The real problem is the entitlement programs with SS going in the red in 2017 and Medicare even sooner. In 1950 there were 16 workeers to every retiree, today 3.3, and in 2030 two to one.

Getting back to the question of your 72% figure: Pretending that the aboriginal & mestizo peoples of Central America, with average IQs no higher than the 70s or 80s

Do you have any factual basis for those assertions?

71 posted on 05/25/2008 1:06:27 PM PDT by kabar
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

very good post—We are being invaded by Aztecs and Mayans. The Spanish rulers of Mexico and Central America cannot and will not fairly resolve their Indian problems. Instead they send these people north and burden us with them

There is a huge racial dimension to this invasion


72 posted on 05/25/2008 1:50:12 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: kabar

I define oneness as oneness.


73 posted on 05/26/2008 5:30:18 AM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: brwnsuga

Very enlightening.


74 posted on 05/26/2008 5:33:11 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Thank You. And Happy Memorial Day.


75 posted on 05/26/2008 5:36:54 AM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: Lorianne

I don’t care what race any of these people are.

My concern is what type of culture they will posess as adults (referring to the chart with the under 5 numbers) and whether or not THAT will threaten America. Will they embrace American Patriotism, freedom, capitalism, and values? Or will they embrace corrupt third-world style governance, socialism, and welfare?


76 posted on 06/04/2008 1:53:00 PM PDT by RockinRight (Obama '08 - Because Jimmy Carter Didn't Screw Things Up Enough)
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To: cyborg

Nobody in the large cities has many kids, except for immigrants. Some of these immigrants are patriotic Americans that share our values.

However, I fear that too many are NOT.


77 posted on 06/04/2008 1:59:44 PM PDT by RockinRight (Obama '08 - Because Jimmy Carter Didn't Screw Things Up Enough)
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To: dennisw

See Tibet to clarify the wrongness of that remark.


78 posted on 06/04/2008 2:00:28 PM PDT by RockinRight (Obama '08 - Because Jimmy Carter Didn't Screw Things Up Enough)
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