Posted on 05/27/2008 9:04:40 AM PDT by William Tell 2
First in a series.
Has America become a nation of appeasers?
For at least a generation now, gun control advocates, many police officials and some academicians have advised citizens to "give the criminal what he wants and you won't get hurt." This viewpoint began permeating society as a way of reducing violence during crimes.
Here is the link: http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=19721853&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8
If viable, take out the threat whenever possible.
What if what he wants is no witnesses?
Isnt this a stupid question when we have a 1/3 million all-volunteer troops overseas fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan?
This is typical liberal fantasy land thinking. If someone wants to “give him what he wants” fine with me. That’s your choice. I will give him three rounds from my SIG 229 in 357. Two in the heart and one in the head. Have a nice day.
> For at least a generation now, gun control advocates, many police officials and some academicians have advised citizens to “give the criminal what he wants and you won’t get hurt.” This viewpoint began permeating society as a way of reducing violence during crimes.
I have yet to meet a victim of crime who followed this “advice” AND walked away from the crime safe and unscathed.
IMO you should always, always resist. And make as much noise as you possibly can.
“give the criminal what he wants and you won’t get hurt.”
Yeah, like giving the Muslim his free foot baths, priviliges other religions do not enjoy, tell him that his is a religion of peace hoping that you’ll be the last one to get his throat cut.
Nope. Those are the “sheepdogs” of society. Asking that question of them would be stupid, but unfortunately they are a small minority of the overall population. The real question is whether the rest of the population has decended into abject appeasement — to criminals, gov’t abuse, islam, etc., etc. — just like most of Old Europe. That is a very important question. (My belief is that some have, some haven’t, and it’s far to close to a 50/50 split to be comfortable about it.)
Great idea! It's better to kill an attacker. That way only one side of the story gets told to the police.
Shouldn’t it be left to the individual?
Give the criminal what he wants? Rather, give the criminal what he deserves.
Every appeasement in history resulted in mass oppression, death, and eventually major war.
Just as the bully in the 5th grade needed to be set right, rogue persons on our streets need to be told in the most affirmative tone possible, NO. Dictators, Tyrants and usurpers alike need to be swiftly and decisively isolated and or removed.
Criminals (wolves) prey only on citizens that APPEAR weaker (Sheep) or unaware and therefore defensless.
Walk tall, be assertive, look at people without being inimidating, carry the largest caliber most powerful firearm you can use effectively and be free (a Sheepdog).
The rest is BS.
God Bless & Molon Labe
Much, much easier than reducing crimes, of course...
I prefer a Taurus “Judge” which shoots either 410GA or .45LC. I have first cylinder loaded with the 410GA followed by the .45’s.....
Non-violent methods only work when you are dealing with a person or group who is willing to work with you on those terms. Non-violence worked in India because the British would not allow themselves to be perceived as the ones perpetuating the violence. Once the worlds cameras focused on American, non-violence worked for the same reason. In both cases, a calculated gamble was made as to the non-violent tendencies of the opponent. Such a gamble would not have worked with Hitler who believed that public perception was only temporary and could be molded after he got his way. This is the same problem one faces with Islamists and criminals who both believe the end justifies the means.
Good point.....along with that, they can’t be turned loose by liberal judges in the court system.
Demand silver.
Receive lead.
Once the worlds cameras focused on American,
Should have been -
Once the worlds cameras focused on the American civil rights movement,
“give the criminal what he wants and you won’t get hurt.”
What if what he wants is you?
Morons.
“He told me that he routinely advises citizens to acquiesce to the demands of the criminal to lessen the risk of violence and, instead, to make an appeal to the criminal’s humanity.”
Unfortunately, he doesn’t go quite far enough. The right thing to do, of course, is immediately to hand over your wallet and car keys; then get down on your knees; kiss his feet; beg for mercy; and offer him your wife, your house, your first-born child, and half your salary for the rest of your life. How could that fail to appeal to the ‘humanity’ of a criminal?
The "police officials" these articles usually refer to are usually Chiefs of Police, who are nothing but political lapdogs for urban Mayors. "Academics" can simply go to hell. They're such scum anymore they are not worth considering.
>For at least a generation now, gun control advocates, many police officials and some academicians have advised citizens to “give the criminal what he wants and you won’t get hurt.” This viewpoint began permeating society as a way of reducing violence during crimes.<
Think about this for a moment. Isn’t this the law that is held by the Courts in England to be the only acceptable behavior?
For that reason alone I will never believe that it is a well reasoned or effective one. I have watched violent crime in England rise to unheard of levels. Knife crimes are at unimaginable levels now that firearms are forbidden across that nation.
Sorry, but I will never support socialism in any manner. That’s is probably why I cannot find the weakness in me to vote for McCain.
I believe in giving them something to remember me by
How unenlightened you are to imply that prisoners can't be reformed.
I believe in transformation rather than reformation.
Mine will be transformed into compost!
How soon people forget. Sounds like a rework of “Be quiet and sit down. Don't do anything or you will endanger your self and airplane. They have met our demands and we are returning to the airport”
Giving the criminal what he wants worked real well for flights 11,77 and 175./s Even though United 93 perished the Capitol was spared and lives ultimately saved.
It worked.
More criminals survive their crimes than ever before.
The same kind of terrorists who support Obama did this:
http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/
Never apologize for them.
Never appease them.
Never forget.
That tactic worked quite well on 3 of the 4 planes that crashed on 9/11. People were complacent, giving the hijackers a wide berth. The results are history.
Women, who are enablers. Should women vote?
Quoting:
“Demand silver.
Receive lead.”
Cheapskate! Use silver bullets, like the Lone Ranger....
Bump! ;-)
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Just a thought, but isn't a crime already violent as soon as a criminal displays a weapon in a threatening manner? And for those of us with the ability to resist effectively, shouldn't our goal at that point be to reduce the number of violent crimes by permanently solving the problem posed by a criminal who wants things that he is not entitled to have? My philosophy: "give the criminal what he deserves rather than what he wants."
How about a real study? Let's track down all the criminals who have reformed after an appeal to their humanity. My guess is that it's what mathematicians call "the empty set". Let's track down the family members who have lost loved ones to repeat offenders whose victims gave them what they wanted. This is, sadly, a very large set. Let's read the "Armed Citizen" reports from the NRA and ask ourselves how those outcomes compare with the outcomes from rewarding criminals. I'll happily defer to the winning side in that study.
Now if only all anti-gun advocates would try to understand this point...
Keep the sonuvabitch out of my home - because I will kill him/her in an INSTANT.
I don't want to hear you wailing about what a good boy/girl he WAS and how he didn't DESERVE to be killed..
I will KILL anyone in my home uninvited -- because I don't KNOW why they are there.....
I am/was always "fearful for my life", I will assume they are there to kill me or members of my family and THAT will NOT happen..
He will die -- -rest assured, he will die....
So, take appropriate measures to keep your loved one out of my home and away from my loved ones or their possessions....
That small sign near my front door, stating:
"We call 911, only after we use .45cal or 12ga"
is a statement of fact.
The most famous study is that by Florida State criminology professor Gary Kleck and Jongyeon Tark. Their landmark study, "Resisting Crime: The Effects of Victim Action on the Outcomes of Crimes," published in the November 2004 academic journal Criminology stated, "Data analyzed for the study were collected during the time period 1992 through 2001 and included five types of crimes: sexual assaults, robberies, assaults, personal contact larcenies and confrontational burglaries. Results of statistical analyses indicated that both forceful and nonforceful types of victim SP [self-protection] reduced the risk of property loss and injury when compared to victim nonresistance. Victim SP tactics involving greater force, such as the use of a gun, had the greatest impact on injury risk reduction."
Yes, we should vote. I voted for Dole in ‘96 and Bush in ‘00 and ‘04. I’m not 100% sure who I’ll be voting for this year but I know I’ll be voting.
Look around you sister, the socialist in America are women. The voters for socialist are women. The social justice people are the women. The liberal Christian are the women. The gun grabbers are the women. Women are the problem.
“And make as much noise as you possibly can.”
Preferably from any decent sized .45 semi auto :)
You need to look at rules 1,2,5,7, and probably 8.
Aw Jeez, not this sh*t again!
Women are evil! Doncha know it hun ;)
You are just a moderate.
Definitely should be an individual choice, not one taken away from the law abiding by some gov’t entity.
And, the benefits to those who choose not to defend themselves (freeloaders) are huge, because no criminal likes to face the odds of an armed (not)victim.
It’s always best to have options. You don’t want to be *forced* to fight because you were being oblivious. Likewise, you don’t want to be forced to accede to a felon’s demands because you were being oblivious.
So don’t be oblivious to your environment.
One thing that you can do to make yourself smarter is to carry two wallets. One of those two wallets should be a “dummy” wallet with only a few crisp, green $1 bills in it, and no ID.
Having the dummy wallet gives you the option to walk away from a mugging without a knife slash on your arm (and subsequent expensive trip to a hospital), and without having to deal with some agressive ahole of a prosecutor who wants to “charge” you for shooting some nutjob.
It also gives you the opportunity to gain the drop on a crook if you *do* decide to later shoot the bad guy.
So carry a dummy wallet in order to cleverly give yourself some additional options that other gunowners don’t have.
Likewise, traveling with a large dog gives you options (and a deterrence factor) that others don’t have.
Live your life agressively, but live! And be smart about it.
Like the double rum flasks that some soldiers colonial US would carry. One hidden in the pack and OK, one easily accessable and poisoned.
If they were captured, the enemy would drink the rum (or was that whiskey??) and croak. OK, it may be just a story, but it was a good one.
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