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Environmentalists Pick Up Where Communists Left Off (by Charles Krauthammer)
Townhall ^ | May 31, 2008 | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 05/30/2008 10:11:23 PM PDT by CreativePerspective

For a century, an ambitious, arrogant, unscrupulous knowledge class -- social planners, scientists, intellectuals, experts and their left-wing political allies -- arrogated to themselves the right to rule either in the name of the oppressed working class (communism) or, in its more benign form, by virtue of their superior expertise in achieving the highest social progress by means of state planning (socialism).

Two decades ago, however, socialism and communism died rudely, then were buried forever by the empirical demonstration of the superiority of market capitalism everywhere from Thatcher's England to Deng's China, where just the partial abolition of socialism lifted more people out of poverty more rapidly than ever in human history.

Just as the ash heap of history beckoned, the intellectual left was handed the ultimate salvation: environmentalism. Now the experts will regulate your life not in the name of the proletariat or Fabian socialism but -- even better -- in the name of Earth itself.

Environmentalists are Gaia's priests, instructing us in her proper service and casting out those who refuse to genuflect. (See Newsweek above.) And having proclaimed the ultimate commandment -- carbon chastity -- they are preparing the supporting canonical legislation that will tell you how much you can travel, what kind of light you will read by, and at what temperature you may set your bedroom thermostat.

--->>>---

The most obvious step is a major move to nuclear power, which to the atmosphere is the cleanest of the clean.

But your would-be masters have foreseen this contingency. The Church of the Environment promulgates secondary dogmas as well. One of these is a strict nuclear taboo.

Rather convenient, is it not? Take this major coal-substituting fix off the table and we will be rationing all the more. Guess who does the rationing?

(Excerpt) Read more at townhall.com ...


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1 posted on 05/30/2008 10:11:23 PM PDT by CreativePerspective
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To: CreativePerspective

They are wateermelons; green on the outside, but red in the inside..


2 posted on 05/30/2008 10:13:42 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: CreativePerspective
Notice how rarely they are forced to live the life they advocate for everyone else.

If Republicans had any sense, they'd have allowed California to regulate CO2.

California would have screwed itself so thoroughly that it would have been a good lesson for the rest of the nation.

It's easy for those distant from the real world to preach to the rest of us about how things should or shouldn't be done. We often times even protect them from themselves. The deductability of state/local taxes, for example, creates what is in effect a subsidy for high tax and bloated beuracracy.

Yet how many times have Republicans defended such deductions on the grounds that removing them would be a tax-increase?

Or what about the home mortgage interest deduction?

Again the most liberal states receives the bulk of deductions. And again Republicans oppose removing the deduction.

If you want to cure enviromentalists make them live the life they say we all should live. Same with leftists in general.

3 posted on 05/30/2008 10:26:30 PM PDT by mc6809e
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To: sheik yerbouty

I’ve been saying this for over 10 years.


4 posted on 05/30/2008 10:26:43 PM PDT by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascists inside and outside our borders, now ACT LIKE IT!)
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To: CreativePerspective

Earlier today was this post:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2023644/posts

...and my response:

“Science is hereby marginalized by this report. Our future is now officially in the hands of the Grimmists of Environmentalism.”

“There will be no reprieve from insanity.”

“Grimmists” is self coined, and a reference to Grimm’s Fairy Tales.

The Environmentalists haven’t any oversight. Without any oversight whatsoever they are all powerful.

This article by Charles Krauthammer is spot on.


5 posted on 05/30/2008 10:31:41 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: CreativePerspective
Environmentalists Pick Up Where Communists Left Off


6 posted on 05/30/2008 10:42:09 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Ted Kennedy is the finest collection of hops and barley money can buy)
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To: CreativePerspective

Rush Limbaugh told us years ago that the global socialists had their wagon hitched to the supposedly rising and unbeatable Red Star of the Soviet Union, and as soon as that dream failed, without skipping a beat, they transferred their socialist dream to the extreme ideologies of Environmentalism. It appears to be serving them extremely well.


7 posted on 05/30/2008 10:49:39 PM PDT by Elsiejay (Rev.)
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To: CreativePerspective

Earth Day is Lenin’s birthday.

Coincidence or Communism?


8 posted on 05/30/2008 10:53:34 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: CreativePerspective

Title should read:

Obammunists pick up where communists left off


9 posted on 05/30/2008 10:54:18 PM PDT by i get it
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To: rockinqsranch

Not to mention that even if the US would cut back significantly, the developing countries, such as China, India, and others would more than make up for it, because they are not about to cripple their economy based on the “Grimmists” (as you called them) alarmism.

So “conserving” in the US would be futile and would only turn the US into a third world country, run by enviro-dictators, whose real objective is indeed the control and destruction of the US. If they were truly concerned about “global warming”, they would embrace nuclear energy.

Krauthammer sees right through them — real objective is control, using any means possible, right now the “climate change” slogan legitimizes them.

France gets 80% of their energy from nuclear. If the entire world would follow their example and only use oil to make gasoline for transportation, a barrel of oil would go from $130 to $20.


10 posted on 05/30/2008 10:57:46 PM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: mc6809e
Notice how rarely they are forced to live the life they advocate for everyone else.

They're not altogether different from the communists who preceded them; most dyed in the wool communists had never worked a "workingman's" job a day in their life.

11 posted on 05/30/2008 11:07:20 PM PDT by eclecticEel (You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.)
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To: CreativePerspective

Ping


12 posted on 05/30/2008 11:38:17 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Elsiejay
Rush Limbaugh told us years ago that the global socialists had their wagon hitched to the supposedly rising and unbeatable Red Star of the Soviet Union, and as soon as that dream failed, without skipping a beat, they transferred their socialist dream to the extreme ideologies of Environmentalism. It appears to be serving them extremely well.

It has worked well, and frighteningly so!

With the Soviet Union, the Communists were compelled to acknowledge the absolute failure of their ideologies with the collapse of the country.

With environmentalism, they can conceal their long term objectives behind a false "science" without ever having to truly prove their claims or produce any results.

13 posted on 05/30/2008 11:55:06 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: CreativePerspective
Two decades ago, however, socialism and communism died rudely/i>

A big mistake, IMO, is that many people believed this to be the case. Socialism never died, as evidenced by just about any country in Western Europe, and communism while it may have collapsed in the Soviet Union, simply went into hibernation to regroup.

14 posted on 05/31/2008 12:09:55 AM PDT by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: rockinqsranch

I suspect that John S. McCain may pick up on what Krauthammer is saying since Krauthammer is “inside the beltway.”

Both McCain and business leaders who are preaching “climate change” gloom and doom better wake up before freedom is flushed down the toilet.

Of course, in the “green utopia” water won’t be allowed in toilets anymore.


15 posted on 05/31/2008 12:35:10 AM PDT by Nextrush (MCCAIN, OBAMA, CLINTON......WHAT A CHOICE?)
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To: CreativePerspective
I highly recommend Michael Crichton's novel “STATE OF FEAR” as a great antidote to the slavish acceptance in the MSM and pop culture of the religion of global warming (or the newer and more nebulous boogie man “climate change (formerly known as weather)).
16 posted on 05/31/2008 1:14:22 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (99% of the world's dictators prefer Obama in 2008.)
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To: CreativePerspective

BRILLIANT article. Didn’t know that about the Carbon Cards. Commie regulations coming here soon, if the Rats have anything to say about it.


17 posted on 05/31/2008 1:41:51 AM PDT by I'm ALL Right!
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To: CreativePerspective
Environmentalists Pick Up Where Communists Left Off (by Charles Krauthammer)

Somebody's finally connecting the dots.

Does anyone really think that anti-market environmental legislation, preventing the market from seeking a scarce good, being pushed harder than ever at a time when that good is being controlled by a communist regime to all-time-high prices, is a freaking co-incidence?

Does anybody see that this is economic warfare, plain and simple, and it can destroy an economy?

18 posted on 05/31/2008 3:29:24 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Obama's a front man. Who's behind him?)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Destroying the economy is the objective, not an unintended side-effect. It's all about keeping the Joneses from having anything to keep up with. Leftists are convinced that the Joneses new big new car and house is the main barrier to their achieving total utopian happiness. The intentionally want a Cuban economy and totalitarian government.
19 posted on 05/31/2008 4:07:18 AM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: CreativePerspective

Ayn Rand said it first in “The New Left: The Anti-Industrial Revolution.”


20 posted on 05/31/2008 4:20:12 AM PDT by Misterioso
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To: CreativePerspective; OKSooner; honolulugal; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; ...
Watermelons:


GREEN on the outside, RED on the inside.

POGW related

21 posted on 05/31/2008 4:47:34 AM PDT by xcamel (Being on the wrong track means the unintended consequences express train doesnt kill you going by)
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To: the invisib1e hand

“Somebody’s finally connecting the dots.”

Czech President Vaclav Klaus has been connecting the dots for some time. He recently spoke to our Congress and asked the congressmen not to yield to pressure from environmentalists and abandon the principles of free society: “the biggest threat to freedom, democracy, the market economy and prosperity at the beginning of the 21st century is not communism or its various softer variants. Communism was replaced by the threat of ambitious environmentalism.”

Here’s more: http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/03/29/159/


22 posted on 05/31/2008 4:59:53 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: CreativePerspective

I’ve been saying this for years.


23 posted on 05/31/2008 5:03:20 AM PDT by Retired Chemist
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To: CreativePerspective

NUCLEAR ENERGY 2008!

(hint...it ain’t Barry)


24 posted on 05/31/2008 5:12:35 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: sheik yerbouty
Good mot -- can I borrow it?

:)

25 posted on 05/31/2008 5:26:05 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Somebody's finally connecting the dots.

The Cambridge Conference Net (CCNet) is a rallying point for climate skeptics. It's edited by Benny Peiser, a faculty member at the University of Liverpool. Peiser's newsletter (daily, often with extra editions) covers a number of other topics besides Green silliness, and is a sort of clippings service. He offers an executive summary or abstract version of each article, followed by either the article in full, or excerpts, or abridged versions of the originals with links.

Peiser is actually a sociologist and catastrophist, i.e. he is interested in catastrophes, human responses to same, and aversion of same. He covers geological, climatological, and astrophysical and astronomical topics as well as environmental ones. Sample: He is involved with, and writes and circulates others' articles about, the NASA program to identify asteroids, planetoids, and planetesimals that might present a threat to earth in the future (like the Chicxulub meteor impact on the Yucatan platform that wiped out the dinosaurs and 65% of all species on earth).

26 posted on 05/31/2008 5:37:36 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: CreativePerspective

Five months of winter with heating oil @ $5.00 a gallon and we’ll see more than a few watermelons dangling from the end of a rope.


27 posted on 05/31/2008 5:41:32 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: CreativePerspective; sheik yerbouty
They have become much more dangerous because they have figured out how to use classical market incentives to enforce Party discipline.

They don't need O'Brien and his rat cage, they don't need Iron Feliks, if they can capture your children's minds, take away your grants, and make it impossible to publish or to speak.

In universities, they even have perfected Maoist self-criticism by using 60s-style transactional analysis techniques. No Red Guard needed.

This is classical revolutionary communism, which, far from being crushed, has adapted and survived by learning from its mistakes.

It's triply dangerous, therefore.

As I have said many times, when the Left has amassed as much power as they have here, right now, the only way out is Chile, or even Indonesia.

I hope I'm wrong about the solution.

28 posted on 05/31/2008 5:47:47 AM PDT by Jim Noble (May 17 was my Tenth Anniversary on FR)
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To: CreativePerspective

[Environmentalists are Gaia’s priests, instructing us in her proper service and casting out those who refuse to genuflect. (See Newsweek above.) And having proclaimed the ultimate commandment — carbon chastity — they are preparing the supporting canonical legislation that will tell you how much you can travel, what kind of light you will read by, and at what temperature you may set your bedroom thermostat.]

These monsters of communist manipulations and socialism marxist indoctrination populate the current political structures of a dying western civilazaiton and the people support these fools while complaining about the high prices legislated by the fools.
So we see the blind leading the blind and dragging all into the ditch.


29 posted on 05/31/2008 5:52:56 AM PDT by kindred (I am now a third party conservative and glad conservative Bob Barr will be on the ballot..)
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To: CreativePerspective; sheik yerbouty; mc6809e; SFC Chromey; rockinqsranch; VeniVidiVici; Elsiejay; ..
And having proclaimed the ultimate commandment — carbon chastity — they are preparing the supporting canonical legislation that will tell you how much you can travel, what kind of light you will read by, and at what temperature you may set your bedroom thermostat.

Just Monday, a British parliamentary committee proposed that every citizen be required to carry a carbon card that must be presented, under penalty of law, when buying gasoline, taking an airplane or using electricity. The card contains your yearly carbon ration to be drawn down with every purchase, every trip, every swipe.

There's no greater social power than the power to ration. And, other than rationing food, there is no greater instrument of social control than rationing energy, the currency of just about everything one does and uses in an advanced society.

I've been using a version of the title as my tagline for years. The three paragraphs above should scare the heck outta any rational person who reads them. Unfortunately, not enough will.

The lack of opposition makes enviromarxism the greatest threat to liberty in the world today. Unfortunately the POTUS has bought into it. The ideological triplets left standing in the race to be the next POTUS buy into it. The left leaning Senate and House buy into it. An American public, duped by a phoney propoganda film from a failed politician who's enriching myself over a panic he generated, buy into it.

It's coming. The only question is when will people wake up and what will it take and how long will it take to recover. I hate to say it, but an extended cold period, along with all of the suffering that brings, may be good if it helps expose the fraud and hastens the end of totalitarian enviromarxism. See...

Oh No! What If It Gets Colder

30 posted on 05/31/2008 6:10:55 AM PDT by Entrepreneur (The environmental movement is filled with watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside)
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To: Entrepreneur

I think people are beginning to wake up to the *extremism without substance* aspect. Most of us want to be good stewards of the beautiful earth given to us by God. We don’t need to throw away our common sense in so doing though.

I have learned that communicating with my senators and congressmen DOES have an impact. That’s why I emailed them earlier this week to share the REASONS why I am opposed to the Lieberman-Warren bill. That bill is a knee-jerk reaction...and horribly unreasonable and dangerous to our economy. Better solutions CAN be found.


31 posted on 05/31/2008 6:23:55 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: SumProVita

Charles K. forgot to mention that the founder of Greenpeace, Patrick Moore, has stated that when the Berlin Wall fell, all the marxist/communists have migrated to the environmentalist movement. Patrick is now very pro-nuclear power


32 posted on 05/31/2008 6:51:51 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus Reagan (Fight Socialism! Vote McCain '08!)
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To: CreativePerspective

“..every citizen be required to carry a carbon card that must be presented, under penalty of law...”

Does it bother anybody that Carbon has the element number “6” on the Periodic Table?


33 posted on 05/31/2008 7:02:22 AM PDT by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: Reeses

Totally correct....except that the leftist elites who are working overtime to ensure economic enslavement to the “masses”.....will live in luxury as is the ultimate goal of all totalitarians no matter what garbage they spew out for others...


34 posted on 05/31/2008 7:06:51 AM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: G Larry

Krauthammer gets it.


35 posted on 05/31/2008 7:11:10 AM PDT by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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To: Temple Owl

ping


36 posted on 05/31/2008 7:11:34 AM PDT by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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To: metesky
Call me! I'll even bring the rope! Ever hear some of what these clowns say...

The right to have children should be a marketable commodity, bought and traded by individuals but absolutely limited by the state.

—Kenneth Boulding, originator of the “Spaceship Earth”
concept (as quoted by William Tucker in Progress and Privilege, 1982)

We have wished, we ecofreaks, for a disaster or for a social change to come and bomb us into Stone Age, where we might live like Indians in our valley, with our localism, our appropriate technology, our gardens, our homemade religion—guilt-free at last!

—Stewart Brand (writing in the Whole Earth Catalogue).

Free Enterprise really means rich people get richer. They have the freedom to exploit and psychologically rape their fellow human beings in the process…. Capitalism is destroying the earth.

—Helen Caldicott, Union of Concerned Scientists

We must make this an insecure and inhospitable place for capitalists and their projects…. We must reclaim the roads and plowed land, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of tens of millions of acres of presently settled land.

—David Foreman, Earth First!

Everything we have developed over the last 100 years should be destroyed.

—Pentti Linkola

If you ask me, it’d be a little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy because of what we would do with it. We ought to be looking for energy sources that are adequate for our needs, but that won’t give us the excesses of concentrated energy with which we could do mischief to the earth or to each other.

—Amory Lovins in The Mother Earth–Plowboy Interview, Nov/Dec 1977, p.22

The only real good technology is no technology at all. Technology is taxation without representation, imposed by our elitist species (man) upon the rest of the natural world.

—John Shuttleworth

What we’ve got to do in energy conservation is try to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, to have approached global warming as if it is real means energy conservation, so we will be doing the right thing anyway in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.

—Timothy Wirth, former U.S. Senator (D-Colorado)

I suspect that eradicating smallpox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems.

—John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal

Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs.

—John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal

The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing....This is not to say that the rise of human civilization is insignificant, but there is no way of showing that it will be much help to the world in the long run.

—Economist editorial

We advocate biodiversity for biodiversity’s sake. It may take our extinction to set things straight.

—David Foreman, Earth First!

Phasing out the human race will solve every problem on earth, social and environmental.

—Dave Forman, Founder of Earth First!

If radical environmentalists were to invent a disease to bring human populations back to sanity, it would probably be something like AIDS

—Earth First! Newsletter

Human happiness, and certainly human fecundity, is not as important as a wild and healthy planets…Some of us can only hope for the right virus to come along.

—David Graber, biologist, National Park Service

The collective needs of non-human species must take precedence over the needs and desires of humans.

—Dr. Reed F. Noss, The Wildlands Project

If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.

—Prince Phillip, World Wildlife Fund

Cannibalism is a “radical but realistic solution to the problem of overpopulation.”

—Lyall Watson, The Financial Times, 15 July 1995

Poverty For “Those People”

We, in the green movement, aspire to a cultural model in which killing a forest will be considered more contemptible and more criminal than the sale of 6-year-old children to Asian brothels.

—Carl Amery


more on the greenienfrom Bill here.

37 posted on 05/31/2008 7:40:53 AM PDT by Issaquahking ("What did you do for America today?")
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To: the invisib1e hand
Does anybody see that this is economic warfare, plain and simple, and it can destroy an economy?

The Rats in charge see it as their best chance to implement socialism they have been dreaming of. They see it as a way to get votes too.

The Rat voters probably don't know what they are voting and asking for. Most are unable to think that far ahead.

I think we are in big trouble over this issue.

38 posted on 05/31/2008 7:46:55 AM PDT by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: CreativePerspective
And yet George Bush, John McCain, my congressman, the so called scientist.. Vern Ehlers, and so many so called Republicans have bought into this.

I cannot get past the feeling that the government and the new ruling class are our enemies..

39 posted on 05/31/2008 7:56:56 AM PDT by drc43 (US won despite us... NOW what?... Nancy Pelosi)
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To: lentulusgracchus
I'm not talking about this climate bullshit. I'm talking about the fact that it's merely a gambit for ambitious communism -- the same communism that's cornering the energy markets; that's fomenting instability anywhere and everywhere it has influence (i.e. it's global surrogates and the mideast); the same communism that uses jihadis as its shock troops.

What we're experiencing isn't an accident. It's a strategy.

40 posted on 05/31/2008 8:12:40 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Obama's a front man. Who's behind him?)
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To: SumProVita

see my #40.


41 posted on 05/31/2008 8:14:30 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Obama's a front man. Who's behind him?)
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To: SumProVita
I have learned that communicating with my senators and congressmen DOES have an impact.

Okay, I need an uplifting story along these lines. Give me some hope. How has communicating with your representatives made an impact?

I hate to sound cynical, but from the local school board on up, I've found that no one in elected office really cares what their constituents think, unless it lines up with their personal agenda. But then, I give money to charities, not politicians.

42 posted on 05/31/2008 8:21:21 AM PDT by Entrepreneur (The environmental movement is filled with watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside)
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To: FocusNexus
So “conserving” in the US would be futile and would only turn the US into a third world country, run by enviro-dictators, whose real objective is indeed the control and destruction of the US. If they were truly concerned about “global warming”, they would embrace nuclear energy.
But they don't want energy, they want power.

In physics books, we learn that power is the amount of energy expended for a given unit of time.

But the environazis aren't interested in that kind of power.

They want power of people.

They want power over humanity.

They want power over me, you and all of us.

What motivates the dictatorial urge of the leftist? That's the fundamental question of our age.

43 posted on 05/31/2008 8:46:42 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: the invisib1e hand
the same communism that uses jihadis as its shock troops
That's right. The fall of the Soviet Union was a blow to them, but they've recovered nicely. They are making advances across the globe, particularly here in the USA. They are making a comeback here that will rival their strength back in the commie days of commie FDR.
44 posted on 05/31/2008 8:50:30 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Entrepreneur

We will then be promised “peace, Land and bread”.


45 posted on 05/31/2008 9:01:59 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: lentulusgracchus

By all means do so!


46 posted on 05/31/2008 9:04:35 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Jim Noble

Dictatorships always get down to controlling the children..Btw, you are a thought criminal!


47 posted on 05/31/2008 9:06:29 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Jim Noble

I don’t know about Chile or Indonesia. I think we have to stand and fight here, for our country.

By the way, did you read the comments at the end of the article?

Many are interesting.

Here’s one:

“Charles K. forgot to mention that the founder of Greenpeace, Patrick Moore, has stated that when the Berlin Wall fell, all the marxist/communists have migrated to the environmentalist movement. Patrick is now very pro-nuclear power.”


48 posted on 05/31/2008 9:09:30 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT; Velveeta

Ping to 37.


49 posted on 05/31/2008 9:39:34 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=451 SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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To: Issaquahking

More greenie death wish quotes. Excerpted from http://www.oicu2.com/afc/mixedquotes.html

“People are the cause of all the problems; we have too many of them; we
need to get rid of some of them, and this (ban of DDT) is as good a way
as any.” Charles Wurster, Environmental Defense Fund

“Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs.” John Davis,
editor of Earth First! Journal

“In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas
of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish.”
-—Paul Ehrlich, Earth Day 1970

“Five years is all we have left if we are going to preserve any kind of quality in the world.”
-—Paul Ehrlich, Earth Day 1970

“In a decade, America’s mighty rivers will have reached the boiling point.”
-—Edwin Newman, Earth Day 1970 (GLOBAL WARMING)

“If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global
mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder by the year 2000...This is about
twice what it would take to put us in an ice age.” -—Kenneth E.F. Watt on air pollution
and global cooling, Earth Day 1970. (GLOBAL COOLING)

“We’ve got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of
global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing — in terms of
economic socialism and environmental policy.” Timothy Wirth, former U.S.
Senator (D-Colorado)

“The historical experience of socialist countries has sadly demonstrated
that collectivism does not do away with alienation but rather increases
it, adding to it a lack of basic necessities and economic inefficiency.”
Pope John Paul I

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed —
and hence clamorous to be led to safety — by menacing it with an
endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
H. L. Mencken

“’Protecting the Environment’ is a ruse. The goal is the political and
economic subjugation of most men by the few, under the guise of
preserving nature.” J. H. Robbins

“There is nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine . . . been
here 4 1/2 billion years. We’ve been here, what, a 100,000 years, maybe
200,000. And we’ve only been engaged in heavy industry a little over 200
years. 200 years versus 4 1/2 billion. And we have the conceit to think
that somehow we’re a threat? The planet isn’t going away. We are.”
George Carlin (Making fun of socialists)

The abandonment of the gold standard made it possible for the welfare
statists to use the banking system as a means to an unlimited expansion
of credit.... In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to
protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe
store of value.... Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the “hidden”
confiscation of wealth.... [Gold] stands as a protector of property
rights. 1966 Alan Greenspan

Global Sustainability requires: “the deliberate quest of poverty . . .
reduced resource consumption . . . and set levels of mortality control.”
Professor Maurice King

“Allowing the EPA to condone continued use of a chemical whenever the
benefits outweighs the risks is absolutely anathema to the environmental
community.” Janet Hathaway, Natural Resources Defense Council

The Environmentalist’s Dream is an Egalitarian Society based on:
rejection of economic growth, a smaller population, eating lower on the
food chain, consuming a lot less, and sharing a much lower level of
resources much more equally. Aaron Wildavsky

“A global climate treaty must be implemented even if there is no
scientific evidence to back the greenhouse effect.” Richard Benedict,
State Dept. employee working on assignment from the Conservation
Foundation

“...the only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another
United States: We can’t let other countries have the same number of
cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the U.S. We have to
stop these Third World countries right where they are. And it is
important to the rest of the world to make sure that they don’t suffer
economically by virtue of our stopping them.” Michael Oppenheimer,
Environmental Defense Fund

“To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation
of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.”
Thomas Jefferson

“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge
to rule.” H. L.Mencken

“Nuclear power must be dealt with irrationally. . . . Nuclear plants are
carcinogens. Let’s get that story out. . . . Their lies will catch up to
them. We need endless Chernobyl reminders.” Ralph Nader

Cannibalism is a “radical but realistic solution to the problem of
overpopulation.” Lyall Watson, The Financial Times, 15 July 1995

“The necessary consequence of an egalitarian program is the decidedly
inegalitarian creation of a ruthless power elite.” M. N. Rothbard

Global Sustainability requires: “the deliberate quest of poverty . . .
reduced resource consumption . . . and set levels of mortality control.”
Professor Maurice King

“Giving society cheap, abundant energy . . . would be the equivalent of
giving an idiot child a machine gun.” Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University

“The secret to David McTaggart’s (early officer in Greenpeace) success
is the secret to Greenpeace’s success: It doesn’t matter what is true .
. . . it only matters what people believe is true . . . . You are what
the media define you to be. [Greenpeace] became a myth, and a
myth-generating machine.” Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace

“. . . a year is about one-fifth of the time we have left if we are
going to preserve any kind of quality in our world.” Garrett de Bell
(1970)

“The move toward controlling less and less pollution at greater and
greater expense —until you are spending everything to control nothing
— is one of the big water quality problems we are facing in the
future.” Ernest Rosenberg

“Complex technology of any sort is an assault on human dignity. It would
be little short of disastrous for us to discover the source of clean,
cheap, abundant energy, because of what we might do with it.” Amory
Lovins, Rocky Mountain Institute

“. . . the Planning Commission must say ‘no’ to development . . .
Austin, Texas, is showing us about land use . . . . “ Judge Armstrong,
Kentucky County

“It is easy to be conspicuously ‘compassionate’ if others are being
forced to pay the cost.” M. N. Rothbard

“Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of a
day. But a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period, and
pursued unalterably through every change of ministers (administrations),
too plainly proves a deliberate systematic plan of reducing us to
slavery.” Thomas Jefferson

“We must make this an insecure and inhospitable place for capitalists
and their projects . . . We must reclaim the roads and plowed land, halt
dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and
return to wilderness millions of tens of millions of acres of presently
settled land.” David Foreman, Earth First!

“. . . There is no such thing in America as an independent press . . .
We are the tools and vassals for rich men behind the scenes . . . Our
talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other
men. We are intellectual prostitutes.” John Swinton, former New York
Times Chief of Staff

“We have the opportunity to avoid choices like nuclear power which will
come back to haunt us 30 years from now.” Russell Peterson, National
Audubon Society President

“. . . The collective needs of non-human species must take precedence
over the needs and desires of humans.” Dr. Reed F. Noss, The Wildlands
Project

“. . . as radical environmentalists, we can see AIDS not as a problem,
but as a necessary solution.” Miss Ann Thropy (pseudonym), Earth First!
Journal

“The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a
good thing . . . This is not to say that the rise of human civilization
is insignificant, but there is no way of showing that it will be much
help to the world in the long run.” Economist editorial
“Americans are a cancer on the planet.” -—Paul Ehrlich 1970

“A baby born in the U.S. represents twice the disaster for Earth as one born in Sweden or the USSR.” -—Paul Ehrlich, “Too Many Rich Folks”

“It is the rich who dump most of the carbon dioxide and CFC’s into the atmosphere.”
-—Paul Ehrlich, “Too Many Rich Folks”

“The rich are wood chipping many tropical forests in order to make cardboard to wrap their electronic products.” -—Paul Ehrlich, “Too Many Rich Folks”

“It was a misfortune for the living world in particular, many scientists believe, that a carnivorous primate and not some more benign form of animal life made the breakthrough. Our species retains hereditary traits that add greatly to our destructive impact.” -—Edward Wilson, “Is Humanity Suicidal” The New York Times Magazine: May 30, 1993

“I suspect that the politicians and businessmen who are jumping on the
environment bandwagon don’t have the slightest idea of what they are
getting into. They are talking about emission control devices on
automobiles, while we are talking about bans on automobiles.” Dennis
Hayes, Earth Day Agenda (1970)

“The invention of the concept of sustainable human development and that
of so-called human security, as opposed to territorial security of
nation-states, and its promotion by the UN is in clear contradiction to
all that we, the Group of 77, and the UN Charter itself consider
inalienable, namely national sovereignty and security.” Pranab
Mukherjee, India’s Minister of Commerce, Earth Times, 15 October 1994

“It’s (the prospect of cheap fusion energy) the worst thing that could
happen to the planet.” Jeremy Rifkin

“No case for expensive policies for safeguarding species can be made
without more extensive analysis.” Endangered Species Blueprint, National
Wilderness Institute

“If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a
killer virus to lower human population levels.” Prince Phillip, World
Wildlife Fund

“They want timid, helpless people who are anxious to get in touch with
their inner child, enter twelve-step programs, and run to the government
with every little problem.” Clark Stooksbury

“. . . Our production and consumption is not sustainable . . . Agenda 21
is to be implemented . . . The Texas Sustainable Energy Development
Council will develop the Texas Plan . . . The money will come from
milking the utilities and redirecting oil overcharge funds . . . . “
Commissioner Karl Rabago, Texas Public Utilities Commission

“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized
civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that
about?” Maurice Strong, Head of the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro

“Behind the honeyed but patently absurd pleas for equality is a ruthless
drive for placing ‘the new elite’ at the top of a new hierarchy of
power.” M. N. Rothbard

“Pure guesswork has become the basis of a forecast that has been
published in newspapers to be read and understood as a scientific
statement.” Endangered Species Blueprint, National Wilderness Institute

“Christianity is our foe. If animal rights is to succeed, we must
destroy the Judeo-Christian Religious tradition.” Peter Singer, the
“Father of Animal Rights”

“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under
the name of ‘liberalism,’ they will adopt every fragment of the
socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation,
without knowing how it happened.” Norman Thomas, former U.S. Socialist
Presidential Candidate

“In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 per
day.” Dr. Jacques Cousteau

“I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. It played an important
part in balancing ecosystems.” John Davis, editor of Earth First!
Journal

“We reject the idea of private property.” Peter Berle, President of the
National Audubon Society

“Measured on virtually any scale, the world is in worse shape than it
was 20 years ago.”Dennis Hayes, Chairman of Earth Day 1990

“The world has cancer, and the cancer is man.” A. Gregg, Mankind at the
Turning Point

“This is a political game. It has nothing to do with science. It has
nothing to do with health and safety.” Sherry Neddick, Greenpeace

“Free Enterprise really means rich people get richer. They have the
freedom to exploit and psychologically rape their fellow human beings in
the process . . . Capitalism is destroying the earth.” Helen Caldicott,
Union of Concerned Scientists

“The only proper purpose of a government is to protect man’s rights . .
.” Ayn Rand

“Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion.” Murray Rothbard

“No government knows any limits to its power except the endurance of the
people.” Lysander Spooner

“The real culprits are those who created a system that makes it
dangerous to work and safe to loaf.” Thomas Sowell

“The three branches of government . . . are not, in any sense,
‘branches’ since that would imply that there is something they are all
attached to besides self-aggrandizement and our pocketbooks.” P. J.
O’Rourke

Lenin on “How to attack the west” -
“Corrupt the young, get them away from religion. Get them interested in
sex. Make them superficial, destroy their ruggedness.Get control of all
means of publicity and thereby: Get the peoples’ mind off their
government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books and
plays, and other trivialities. Divide the people into hostile groups by
constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance. Destroy
the peoples faith in their natural leaders by holding up the latter to
ridicule, contempt and obloquy. Always preach true democracy but seize
power as fast and as ruthlessly as possible. Encourage government
extravagance, destroy its credit, produce fear with rising prices,
inflation and general discontent. Foment unnecessary strikes in vital
industries, encourage civil disorders and foster a soft and lenient
attitude on the part of government towards such disorders. By specious
argument cause the breakdown of the old moral virtues: honesty,
sobriety, continence, faith in the pledged word, ruggedness. Cause the
registration of all firearms on some pretext, with the view that
confiscating them would leave the population defenseless.”

Vladimir Ilich Lenin
1921


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