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Euthanasia Provider to Alzheimer's Patients: The Best Remedy is Death
LifeSiteNews ^ | 6/20/08 | Tim Waggoner

Posted on 06/20/2008 4:17:03 PM PDT by wagglebee

SYDNEY, June 20, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Euthanasia provider and activist Dr. Philip Nitschke has released controversial statements that essentially instruct anyone who believes they are suffering from Alzheimer's disease to avoid obtaining a diagnosis in favour of seeking a doctor who can help them commit suicide as quickly as possible. These comments come on the heels of yesterday's New South Wales jury ruling that convicted two women for the "euthanasia" death of a 71-year old Sydney man, Graeme Wylie, in 2006.

As reported by the news service, The Age, Shirley Justins, the wife of Wylie, was convicted of manslaughter for giving him a suicide drug, and Caren Jenning, who journeyed to Mexico to purchase the lethal drug, Nembutal, was convicted as an accessory to manslaughter. Both women, who claimed Wylie wanted to die this way, face up to 25 years in prison and will likely receive their sentences in November.

According to the Sydney Morning Herald, the trial centred on whether or not Wylie had the mental capacity to choose to be euthanized. Considering that just four months before his death, the husband and father could not recall his birthday or how many children he had and what sex they were, the jury decided Wylie was not able to choose suicide, and therefore convicted Justins and Jenning with manslaughter.

The court also brought to light the fact that Wiley's will was changed just one week before his death. The new terms stipulated that Jenkins was to receive all but $200,000 of the $2.4 million dollar estate; over double the amount she was to originally receive.

Dr. Nitschke, however, opposed the jury's decision, saying, "Many people said this person [Wylie] knew what he was doing. I thought he knew what he was doing. Yet they base it on the medical evidence that he had lost his ability to make a decision, that he had lost his ability to say whether he could die or not."

Dr. Nitschke, who heads the assisted suicide organization, Exit International, also said the ruling sends a "dreadful message" to Alzheimer's patients, and urged those suffering from the disease to avoid a doctor's diagnosis and seek assisted suicide as quick as possible in order to protect one's family from similar legal battles.

"Don't go to your doctor. Don't have the tests done. And if you do have the tests done that show that you're starting to lose mental capacity, make sure it is not recorded," said the doctor, indicating that those who contact Exit International would be receiving the same message.

"We'll be advising people not to (declare they have Alzheimer's)," he said.

"A person with Alzheimer's disease, means that they may have to move more quickly, and end their lives more quickly before this whole issue of capacity to make a decision comes to the fore," he finished.

The jury's decision and Dr. Nitschke's comments have sparked commentary from several professionals in related fields.

In a LifeSiteNews.com interview, Alex Schadenberg, Executive Director of the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition, applauded the jury's decision, given the fact that a Swiss euthanasia centre refused to assist in Wylie's suicide because of his increasing dementia. The Swiss centre made this decision despite advice from Dr. Nitschke, who advised them to go ahead with the assisted-suicide after he had made an "assessment" of Wylie's condition.

"The fact is the man was incapable to make these decisions, and they were made on his behalf and it was done against the wishes of his children. One of his daughters in particular was very upset," explained Schadenberg.

He then addressed the shocking statement issued to Alzheimer patients by Dr. Nitschke.

"Dr. Nitschke is hell bent on death," said Schadenberg.

"You have to put this into context. He was the one who told the National Review that the peaceful pill [a suicide pill] should be available to troubled teens."

Schadenberg then commented on the "bigger picture", explaining how Dr. Nitschke is not just fighting for a terminally ill patient's right to assisted suicide, but for "anyone's right to die."

"He sees suicide as a human right. It is not about the right to die of terminally ill people. It is about what they would call the human right to die. The right for anyone to die at the time of their choosing," he concluded.

Glenn Rees from Alzheimer's Australia said Dr. Nitschke's counsel was "worrying on many levels".

"Diagnosis is vital for people with dementia, so they can get all the support they need to avoid depression and the things that might lead to this (euthanasia), so it's ridiculous to say they shouldn't get it," explained Mr. Rees.

Rees finished by asserting that, "The last thing they should be doing is running away from a diagnosis."

University of New South Wales psychiatry professor Brian Draper, alluded to the fact that many Alzheimer's patients can enjoy their lives, saying Dr. Nitschke demonstrated "incredible ignorance" of Alzheimer's disease.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alzheimersdisease; euthanasia; moralabsolutes; prolife
Dr. Nitschke, who heads the assisted suicide organization, Exit International, also said the ruling sends a "dreadful message" to Alzheimer's patients, and urged those suffering from the disease to avoid a doctor's diagnosis and seek assisted suicide as quick as possible in order to protect one's family from similar legal battles.

"Don't go to your doctor. Don't have the tests done. And if you do have the tests done that show that you're starting to lose mental capacity, make sure it is not recorded," said the doctor, indicating that those who contact Exit International would be receiving the same message.

He doesn't even want the person to know if there is something wrong with them, he just wants them dead.

1 posted on 06/20/2008 4:17:04 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: cgk; Coleus; cpforlife.org; narses; 8mmMauser

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2 posted on 06/20/2008 4:17:52 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: 8mmMauser; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Lesforlife; Sun

The culture of death is no longer even trying to hide their bloodlust.


3 posted on 06/20/2008 4:19:16 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 06/20/2008 4:20:07 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Modern day vampires.


5 posted on 06/20/2008 4:20:11 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: wagglebee

CANCER: http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=67565


6 posted on 06/20/2008 4:21:41 PM PDT by floriduh voter ( LAUREN RICHARDSON NEEDS YOU. Pls visit www.lifeforlauren.org)
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To: wagglebee

If it wasn’t for TERRI SCHIAVO, I would have overlooked many of these articles-atrocities. The deathbots lust for a kill, anyone and anywhere. This is why I’m against organ donor cards. The hospital bots make more on a transplant including anti-rejection drugs than on saving accident victims. (even not for profit hospitals which is an oxymoron, wouldn’t you say?).


7 posted on 06/20/2008 4:25:00 PM PDT by floriduh voter ( LAUREN RICHARDSON NEEDS YOU. Pls visit www.lifeforlauren.org)
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To: floriduh voter

“To say to someone, we’ll pay for you to die, but not pay for you to live, it’s cruel,” Wagner told the newspaper. “I get angry. Who do they think they are?”
(Oregon woman).


8 posted on 06/20/2008 4:26:55 PM PDT by floriduh voter ( LAUREN RICHARDSON NEEDS YOU. Pls visit www.lifeforlauren.org)
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To: wagglebee

“The culture of death is no longer even trying to hide their bloodlust.”

And today it will be a “right” to die, but tomorrow it will be a “duty” to die.


9 posted on 06/20/2008 4:27:34 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: wagglebee

Alzheimer’s-like symptoms in the elderly can be caused by something as simple as a vitamin or mineral deficiency, or by a reaction to medication for other conditions.

I hesitate to say that the best thing for everyone would be for Dr. Nitschke to have (for example) a fatal car accident tomorrow, because surely Hell is waiting for him, but ...


10 posted on 06/20/2008 4:27:46 PM PDT by Tax-chick (The dragons aren't as hungry as they were yesterday. Has anyone seen James?)
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To: wagglebee
Dr. Nitschke, however, opposed the jury's decision, saying, "Many people said this person [Wylie] knew what he was doing. I thought he knew what he was doing. Yet they base it on the medical evidence that he had lost his ability to make a decision, that he had lost his ability to say whether he could die or not."

OMG!!!! A jury based their decision on the evidence? What is we gonna do?

Þ

11 posted on 06/20/2008 4:36:36 PM PDT by BykrBayb (www.lifeforlauren.org Þ)
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To: floriduh voter
This is why I’m against organ donor cards. The hospital bots make more on a transplant including anti-rejection drugs than on saving accident victims. (even not for profit hospitals which is an oxymoron, wouldn’t you say?).

If you ever need an organ transplant, I'll assume you'll just opt to die instead of being a hypocrite.

12 posted on 06/20/2008 4:39:10 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: wagglebee

Just call this guy Dr.Quack.

I would hate to have him for my doctor.


13 posted on 06/20/2008 4:44:29 PM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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To: wagglebee

Proof that the religion of Evolution creates a person who does not value life and has no belief in God.


14 posted on 06/20/2008 4:49:35 PM PDT by LetTruthBeTold (The strands of information that make up evolution are easily unraveled)
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To: Sun
And today it will be a “right” to die, but tomorrow it will be a “duty” to die.

The Texas Futile Care Law stops just short of mandating a "duty" to die. As it is, once a hospital committee decides that a patient should die, the family has a very short amount of time to find a new facility; additionally, this creates an "out" for insurance companies and creates a scenario where wealthy people will be cared for while the middle class is denied the coverage that they have paid for.

15 posted on 06/20/2008 4:50:10 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
in favour of seeking a doctor who can help them commit suicide as quickly as possible

Gee Dr. Nitschke, if you or your doctor friends really want to kill yourselves, go right ahead...

16 posted on 06/20/2008 4:58:20 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: floriduh voter

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/183/story/381047.html

Posted on Sat, Jun. 07, 2008

Attempted Organ Donation

Medical board files complaint against transplant surgeon
Hootan Roozrokh, already facing a criminal charge, now could lose a state license to practice medicine

~snip~


17 posted on 06/20/2008 5:13:42 PM PDT by BykrBayb (www.lifeforlauren.org Þ)
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To: wagglebee
Hippocratic Oath
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath

...I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.
To please no one will I prescribe a deadly drug nor give advice which may cause his death.
Nor will I give a woman a pessary to procure abortion.
But I will preserve the purity of my life and my arts....

A Physician who Purposefully causes a Death
by his/her Direct, or Indirect Action
Is an Abomination

They have cast down the
Mantle of Authority and Benign Intent
they have been entrusted with.

18 posted on 06/20/2008 5:25:50 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: wagglebee

whatever happened to “First do no harm?”


19 posted on 06/20/2008 5:31:01 PM PDT by Operation_Shock_N_Awe (I'd rather be a conservative nut job than a liberal with no nuts and no job)
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To: wagglebee
From The Book of Medicines (Sefer ha-Refuot)
The first Hebrew Medical Oath discovered...
The Oath of Asaph and Yohanan
...
http://www1.umn.edu/phrm/oaths/oath5.html

This is the pact which Asaph ben Berakhyahu and Yohanan ben Zabda made with their pupils, and they adjured them with the following words:

Do not attempt to kill any soul by means of a potion of herbs,
Do not make a woman [who is] pregnant [as a result of] of whoring take a drink with a view to causing abortion,
Do not covet beauty of form in women with a view to fornicating with them,
Do not divulge the secret of a man who has trusted you,
Do not take any reward [which may be offered in order to induce you] to destroy and to ruin,
Do not harden your heart [and turn it away] from pitying the poor and healing the needy,
Do not say of [what is] good; it is bad, nor of [what is] bad: it is good,
Do not adopt the ways of the sorcerers using [as they do] charms, augury and sorcery in order to separate a man from the wife of his bosom or a woman from the companion of her youth,
You shall not covet any wealth or reward [which may be offered in order to induce you] to help in a lustful desire,
You shall not seek help in any idolatrous [worship] so as to heal through [a recourse to idols], and you shall not heal with anything [pertaining] to their worship,
But on the contrary detest and abhor and hate all those who worship them, put their trust in them, and give assurance [referring] to them,
For they are all naught, useless, for they are nothing, demons, spirits of the dead; they cannot help their own corpses, how then could they help those who live?
Now [then] put your trust in the Lord, your God, [who is] a true God, a living God,
For [it is] He who kills and makes alive, who wounds and heals,
Who teaches men knowledge and also to profit,
Who wounds with justice and righteousness, and who heals with pity and compassion,
No designs of [His] sagacity are beyond His [power]
And nothing is hidden from His eyes.

20 posted on 06/20/2008 5:47:10 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: wagglebee
And the Hindu Physician's Oath
Vaidya’s Oath

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_the_Hindu_physician

The oath of the Hindu physician, also known as the Vaidya’s Oath, was an oath taken by Hindu physicians. It is dated from the 15th century BCE and requires physicians not to eat meat, drink, or commit adultery. Similar to the Hippocratic Oath, the Vaidya’s Oath entreats physicians not to harm their patients and be solely devoted to their care, even if this put their lives in danger.

21 posted on 06/20/2008 5:51:37 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: wagglebee

They do have a point, unrelated to euthanasia.

If you or a relative suspect loss of mental capacity, it is imperative that they get their legal and financial house in order immediately. Because once that diagnosis has been made, every legal action they make after can be challenged on grounds of competency. And not just by family members, but by outsiders.

This means that they need their will made out, any family trusts that have to be created or have their chain of inheritance verified. Assets that could be protected must be.

Family need to be on the sign in sheet, sharing ownership for safety deposit boxes. Bank and checking accounts should be in two names. Credit cards secured.

Debts have to be accounted for, as well as reoccurring debts.

Powers of attorney need to be obtained ASAP.

And THEN see the doctor.

The assumption has to be that there is at least a chance that some hostile interest will try and get control over the person, their estate, their insurance, etc., using a diagnosis of mental incapacity to treacherous advantage.

And remember, if you do have a living will entrusted to relatives, it doesn’t mean that they have to let others know about it, if it is in your best interests.

Conversely, if some hospital tries to seize control of a patient, a living will can be used to take the patient to a different hospital, especially if the hospital intended to kill them.

A living will could save their life.


22 posted on 06/20/2008 5:53:56 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: wagglebee
And a Japanese Physician Oath
Seventeen Rules of Enjuin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeen_Rules_of_Enjuin

...In our school, teaching about poisons is prohibited, nor should you receive instructions about poisons from other physicians. Moreover, you should not give abortives to the people.
You should rescue even such patients as you dislike or hate. You should do virtuous acts, but in such a way that they do not become known to people. To do good deeds secretly is a mark of virtue.
You should not exhibit avarice and you must not strain to become famous. You should not rebuke or reprove a patient, even if he does not present you with money or goods in gratitude....

23 posted on 06/20/2008 5:57:08 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: wagglebee

This is a scientific breakthrough...not only have they discovered the cure for Alzheimer’s, but every other disease and ailment as well. /s


24 posted on 06/20/2008 5:58:28 PM PDT by Xenophon450 (I guess I'll never know, some things under the sun can never be understood...)
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To: wagglebee
Alzheimer's is a horrible disease that makes the family suffer just as much or maybe more than the person suffering from the disease. My grandmother was diagnosed with Alzheimer's about ten years ago. My father had a real hard time because he felt guilty about putting her in a convalescent home. For five years he spent all his time outside of work taking care of her but he couldn't continue without the help of his three sisters who were nurses. Eventually he had to come to grips with putting her in the nursing home but it cost him his relationship with his sisters. It's sad because my grandmother would be heartbroken to know that her illness caused a rift between her children. I don't know if my father will ever forgive his sisters because they wouldn't even try to keep their mother out of a nursing home. I think my father waited a little too long and his sisters refused to wait long enough.
25 posted on 06/20/2008 6:08:39 PM PDT by peeps36 ( Al Gore Is A Big Fat Lying Hypocrite. He Pollutes The Air By Opening His Big Mouth)
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To: HangnJudge

Thank you for all of those different medical oaths. The Hippocratic Oath was perfect for thousands of years until the culture of death decided that they should be allowed to play god.


26 posted on 06/20/2008 6:19:03 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
The Hippocratic Oath was perfect for thousands of years until the culture of death decided that they should be allowed to play god.

No argument here...
I am actually old enough to have taken the Hippocratic Oath
Not only will I not Knowingly take another's Life
I can't do so without breaking who I am
And fracturing the Mantle of Authority which binds my actions

I am convinced that to a great degree,
our lives are defined by our Oaths

They should be entered into with only the most grave of intents
Breaching an Oath breaks who you are, IMHO

27 posted on 06/20/2008 6:28:59 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Tax-chick
Alzheimer’s-like symptoms in the elderly can be caused by something as simple as a vitamin or mineral deficiency, or by a reaction to medication for other conditions.

Just a nother made up Liberal disease to allow old folks to drink from the government teat.

28 posted on 06/20/2008 6:30:38 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: HangnJudge

Unfortunately, there are few left practicing medicine who took the true Hippocratic Oath and while many who took the new one live their lives by the original Oath (my father-in-law and his brother both took the newer one in the early 1970s but have always adhered to the original Oath), they seem to be few and far between these days.

It used to be that people would joke about their doctor always being on the golf course; but it was just a joke, he was there when needed. Today too many doctors are more concerned with insurance billing standards than they are with their patients. And now it seems that the guiding principles for some physicians is to devise ever more effective ways to end their patients lives.


29 posted on 06/20/2008 6:40:05 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Why doesn’t he practice what he preaches!


30 posted on 06/20/2008 6:44:13 PM PDT by lonestar
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To: Sun
And today it will be a “right” to die, but tomorrow it will be a “duty” to die.
31 posted on 06/20/2008 8:42:19 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: wagglebee
What makes me want to vomit is that a vit B-12 deficiency can impair mental ability terribly. People need to be evaluated if they have a problem. Many times there *is* a solution.

I had a vit B-1 deficiency and thought I was dying. I prayed to G-d to help me finish raising my children. In all ways; memory, vocabulary, problem-solving; I was loosing it. After I started the shots I had a new life.

My mother was deficient in B-12. She was ready to commit suicide from the depression alone. She felt like a terrible burden. A month of shots later and she was ready to fight again.

Something as simple as Celiac Disease or IBD can deplete your body of nutrients and put you into a downward spiral.

Don't give up so easily on life. It's hard-won and shouldn't be thrown away.

32 posted on 06/20/2008 11:11:09 PM PDT by Marie (Why is it that some people believe everything that happens is the will of G-d - except Israel?)
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To: wagglebee
Pinged from Terri Dailies

8mm


33 posted on 06/21/2008 3:29:10 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Dog Gone

Yup. The profit motive kind of kills the entire process for me.


34 posted on 06/21/2008 2:31:07 PM PDT by floriduh voter ( LAUREN RICHARDSON NEEDS YOU. Pls visit www.lifeforlauren.org)
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To: floriduh voter
Profits are bad.

Nobody should be motivated to do anything based on profit.

It's just wrong.


35 posted on 06/21/2008 3:30:42 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

Proposed Chief of Staff for the candidate whose race and middle name must not be mentioned./Just Asking - seoul62.......


36 posted on 06/21/2008 3:36:31 PM PDT by seoul62
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To: Dog Gone

If killing someone for their organs is motivated by PROFIT, that’s IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL and euthanasia I might add. Don’t try to paint me as anti-capitalist. I’m anti-euthanasia where there’s a HUGE PROFIT MOTIVE to kill innocent people who aren’t terminal.


37 posted on 06/23/2008 11:29:19 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( LAUREN (Delaware) & Karen (Fl) www.lifeforlauren.org & www.prayforkaren.com)
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To: wagglebee; Sun; 8mmMauser; BykrBayb

Guess what? Science is in the process of unlocking the key to dissolving those nasty proteins that make goo in the brain and kill brain cells. If they figure out a way to stop those nasty proteins, there’s a potential cure or Alzheimer’s.


38 posted on 06/23/2008 11:33:26 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( LAUREN (Delaware) & Karen (Fl) www.lifeforlauren.org & www.prayforkaren.com)
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To: floriduh voter

“Guess what? Science is in the process of unlocking the key to dissolving those nasty proteins that make goo in the brain and kill brain cells. If they figure out a way to stop those nasty proteins, there’s a potential cure or Alzheimer’s.”

That is such good news! My dad had Alzheimer’s and had high protein in his blood work, but I’m not sure if it was the same kind of protein.

Astute doctors are having their patients get blood tests to track protein, because too much can also cause heart attacks. I’m also not sure if the kind that causes heart attacks is the same as the kind that causes Alzheimer’s.

I’ll have to ask my doctor next time I go for a check up.


39 posted on 06/23/2008 7:54:36 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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