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NOW let's compare "apples to apples" [Obama birth certificate controvery, part 2]
Townhall ^ | 6/22/08 | Polarik

Posted on 06/23/2008 3:45:52 PM PDT by freespirited

 

NOW let's compare "apples to apples"

Or, since this involves Hawaii, "pineapples to pineapples:"

With many thanks to Bloggers TexasDarlin, Freeper, and Shainzona, I am posting a copy of Hawaiian-born, Patricia Decosta's certified "Certification of Live Birth," which is what this Certification should look like. If you go back to the points I raised in my original post, specifically about the differences in typeface, letter artifacts, and the border, these points are further reinforced from comparing Decosta's certified document with Obama's uncertified one.

Once again, here is Obama's uncertified (and suspect) "Certification of Live Birth":

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And, now, Ms. Decosta's certified (and not suspect) "Certification of Live Birth:"


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For comparison purposes, I created a cropped image of each that are approximately the same dimensions in terms of image height and text height. Additionally, each image -- one for Obama's and one for Decosta's -- has approximately the same amount of JPG compression.

Before comparing these and deconstructing them, I draw your attention to the previous images showing the entire certificates. Both have the same "tag line" indicating the form number and revision, OHSM 1.1 (Rev. 11/01) LASER, and the "prima facie evidence" statement.

Given that both have that same tag line, one can assume, for the moment, that this tag line does appear on valid COB's produced by the Office of Health Status Monitoring during the time that Rev. 11/01 was being used.

However, the thing that should jump out at you, besides the visual differences in the typefaces, are the obvious, visual differences in the borders.

But, first, let me reiterate what is my main contention about the images posted on the Daily Kos and Fight The Smears websites.

I maintain that a copy of a real, Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth was graphically modified to resemble what Obama's "Certification of Live Birth" might look like, IF, and only IF, it were a genuine reproduction of a genuine document.

Thus, the crux of my argument is as follows:

Because the image of Obama's copy has so many distinct, visual differences from the image of a copy certified as accurate, like Ms. Decosta's, and that these visual differences represent what could only result from a deliberate, graphical modification of an existing image, that the image itself, and the paper copy it purports to represent, casts doubt on the validity of the claims made for them.

These claims are
that Barack Obama's "Certification of Live Birth" does exists somewhere, and that the JPG images posted on the Daily Kos and Fight The Smears websites are genuine reproductions of it.

As I highlighted in my first post, the evidence says otherwise. Here are close-up views of both the Obama and Decosta images:


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The typeface on the Decosta image is much darker and thicker, and has less kerning (spacing between the letters), than the Obama image. Moreover, the color of the green paper comes through almost all of the letters regardless of magnification or image compression.

By comparison, you will not see the grey and white pixels found between the letters on the Obama image.

When you enlarge the letters in the Decosta image, they all tend to remain solid, especially letters like "I, L, B, E, H," that continue to look the same no matter how large you make them. Conversely, when you enlarge the letters in the Obama image, they start to fall apart -- that is, they start losing pixels. This is exactly what happens to bitmapped text created by a graphics program.

OK, now let's compare the borders of both images.

In the Obama image -- or, should I say, "images," because the edges of the vertical borders in the Kos image overlap the horizontal ones, whereas the Smears image has them lining up -- the pattern is different from the Decosta image.


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The borders in the Obama image might be extremely faint versions of the Decosta image, but then why is so much image information missing, if not because it was a bad reproduction to begin with.

Other bloggers have already noted the reversed, embossed seals and signature imprints that appear on the Decosta image but which are totally absent on the Obama image. The conclusion from this would be that the Obama image never had them, for if they did, wouldn't they be prominently shown as verification?

We still have more questions than answers


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; elections; obama; obamatruthfile
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To: Bubbette
The only “answer” I have for the differences is that there are 30 years between the two documents.

Thirty years between the births, true. But not thirty years between the documents. Both are certified (or purport to be certified) copies. And both were produced subsequent to November, 2001.

In that respect, the code in the lower LH-corner -- OHSM 1.1 (Rev. 11/01) LASER -- tells you that both were printed using the same computer format that was approved effective November, 2001.

Accordingly, there can't be more than seven years difference in the age of the documents.

21 posted on 06/23/2008 4:10:09 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: freespirited
So, what is the dispute that is being resolved here? That Obama was not a Live Birth?
22 posted on 06/23/2008 4:13:30 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: Bobalu
The birth certificate thing does not concern me. The only reason they made the rule that only native born Americans could become president was to keep members of the British Royal family from trying to run. The fact that he is a Marxist is what concerns me.

Could you be any dumber? Or could you have made a stupider statement? Highly doubtful. You don't care that he might not meet one of the requirements to be President of the USA? What in the He** is the matter with you? You want to keep a Marxist out of the White House then you use the law to stop him. If he is not a US born citizen then he can't run, simple as that and to say it doesn't matter to you tells me you are either a troll or extremely stupid, period.

23 posted on 06/23/2008 4:13:55 PM PDT by calex59
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To: freespirited

This seems like a reach to me, the Clintons would have smoked this out if it were true.


24 posted on 06/23/2008 4:14:57 PM PDT by wastedpotential (McCain says I am an agent of intolerance, he's right - I can't tolerate liberal Republicans!)
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To: freespirited

Hilarious.


25 posted on 06/23/2008 4:15:50 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Ask me again tomorrow.)
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To: freespirited

1930?
Hawaii wasn’t even a state in 1930.
It was in 1961.
I’m sure everything “official” changed after that


26 posted on 06/23/2008 4:17:25 PM PDT by ValerieTexas
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To: freespirited

I haven’t followed this as closely as many- but with all the talk about the comparisons between the two types of paper I’m wondering if the background might be similar-but different from 1930 to 1961?

Obviously it’s not the SAME- but perhaps the state changed the background over the years?


27 posted on 06/23/2008 4:18:33 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: freespirited

I’ve gotta forward this on to some non-freepers. Thank you.


28 posted on 06/23/2008 4:19:12 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: ikka

Does his being illegitimate somehow affect his citizenship?


29 posted on 06/23/2008 4:21:01 PM PDT by Crystal Cove
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To: ClearCase_guy
He wouldn't have this out there if the alternative were harmless.

I disagree.

Like Larry Sinclair, this is a strawman. A set-up. A diversion.

And if you make a valid point ("he has no experience"), you will be lumped in with the rest ("there are people attacking me because they believe that I was involved with a male prostitute, that I wasn't born in this country, that I don't have enough experience, or that I'm black...") and your valid point will be lost.

30 posted on 06/23/2008 4:21:57 PM PDT by kidd
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To: SE Mom
These are modern certified certificates of birth, they are not original birth documents. They were requested sometime after 2005.

-PJ

31 posted on 06/23/2008 4:26:10 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: William Tell

...and, it’s still a non issue


32 posted on 06/23/2008 4:26:24 PM PDT by devane617 (we are so screwed)
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To: ValerieTexas

And wasn’t Hawaii a State in 1961?
Wouldn’t that mean that Nobamasiah would have been a natural born citizen even if his parents weren’t?


33 posted on 06/23/2008 4:26:35 PM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Abraham Lincoln would have let Berkeley leave the Union without a fight)
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To: freespirited

I worry about the 31 year difference between these two documents. I didn’t see that addressed nor acknowledged.


34 posted on 06/23/2008 4:29:53 PM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

Me too- see # 27 and answer # 31


35 posted on 06/23/2008 4:33:39 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

Surprising that it doesn’t have the “footprint.” My birth certificate had my footprint. Anyone else’s.

Are these abstracts created from the genuine birth certificate for legal purposes?


37 posted on 06/23/2008 4:35:31 PM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Abraham Lincoln would have let Berkeley leave the Union without a fight)
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To: freespirited

Hey, the birth certificate is as genuine as his Presidential Seal.


38 posted on 06/23/2008 4:38:00 PM PDT by Former War Criminal
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To: Right Cal Gal

mine has a foot print too, but it does not match my current right....


39 posted on 06/23/2008 4:40:12 PM PDT by devane617 (we are so screwed)
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To: cahome
You proove yourself to be an absolute idiot with an IQ of 70 by saying that I support Barack Obama the socialist and the defeatist. The thing that I am smart enough to know what is required to defeat someone like Obama and it is not the stupidity about his Birth Certificate. I can comment on any thread I want to comment on.
40 posted on 06/23/2008 4:40:45 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless President Bush and our brave troops)
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