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Obama campaign claims suspect "birth certificate" as genuine item
Israel Insider ^ | June 21, 2008 | Reuven Koret

Posted on 06/25/2008 9:10:21 PM PDT by Red Steel

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To: Gondring; All
"It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," spokesman Janice Okubo said after we e-mailed her our copy

There's a HUGE difference between:

1) "That document has the look and form of a genuine certificate."

AND

2)"That specific document IS a genuine document."

If think she was saying #1).

61 posted on 06/26/2008 3:55:49 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Red Steel

Dick Morris has an interesting perspective on how these side issues actually help Obama. Do you really think there is any merit in recycling this stuff? Does anybody really believe that an Obama birth outside the territorial USA would not attract massive main street as well as tabloid media attention and coverage. I understand what can motivate this type of speculation but why does it have to get into the realm of the goofy? When you have concrete evidence bring it forward. But, until you are able to do that remember you are creating a side show, a distraction that only allows Obama an easy means to avoid confronting the real issues in respect of security and economics.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_dick_morris/obama_


62 posted on 06/26/2008 4:55:07 AM PDT by spatso
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To: spatso
But, until you are able to do that remember you are creating a side show, a distraction that only allows Obama an easy means to avoid confronting the real issues in respect of security and economics.

How about: When YOU have 'concrete evidense' that this has "only allowed Obama an easy means to avoid confronting the real issues in respect of security and economics" then please bring it forward. But until then, please don't post clueless dribble. Obama is not refusing to discuss those issues because of these threads. That's nuts.

63 posted on 06/26/2008 5:58:48 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Red Steel

And we’re still waiting for B.J.’s medical records. The law doesn’t apply the same to dems.


64 posted on 06/26/2008 6:30:13 AM PDT by printhead
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To: printhead

And J.F. Kerry’s DD-214 discharge papers.


65 posted on 06/26/2008 6:31:52 AM PDT by printhead
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To: AmericaUnited

Read the Morris article. His point is simple and clear. The reason why Obama loves the stuff you guys are writing is because it gets him off the hook of having to deal with the real substance. Everybody loves a side show. But, when you guys get manipulated into carrying Obama’s water it is time to think about the value of what you are trying to do. Basically if it is showing results yet, it won’t play in prime time. That is the essence of the Morris piece.


66 posted on 06/26/2008 6:53:52 AM PDT by spatso
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To: spatso

Obama was not bought down to earth by Hillary discussing his economic plans and policies. It was stuff LIKE THIS that took the bloom off the rose.


67 posted on 06/26/2008 7:01:00 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: MWS

The biggest scammer of our time or any other.


68 posted on 06/26/2008 7:04:58 AM PDT by mcshot (Bitterly Loving God, Family, and Guns more then ever. And greatly missing President Reagan)
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To: spatso

We need to hammer away on all fronts. It really amazes me how there are so many out there who can’t do two things at once.


69 posted on 06/26/2008 7:07:25 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited

I think you guys badly underestimate just how slick a politician Obama has become. He is taking on the Focus on the Family because he knows he can’t lose. So, he only gets 25% of evangelicals (some estimates indicate he is polling as high as 35% among young evangelicals). The point is that 25% is a lot more than the zero that Kerry got. Morris and others (Novak) are pointing out that Obama has figured this stuff out and is playing you guys like a sweet violin. The missing point seems to be that he can and should be beat on the hard issues.


70 posted on 06/26/2008 7:10:57 AM PDT by spatso
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To: Red Steel
Anything the left-wing St. Petersburg Slimes has it's pinko fingers in is suspect to me. I cancelled my subscription fifteen years ago, five years before I even became a freeper.

Why conservative subscribers in the St.Pete/Clearwater/Tampa Bay area keep feeding the hand that bites them is totally beyond my comprehension.

Leni

71 posted on 06/26/2008 7:19:13 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Stay Home or vote Barr for Obamination, more Taxation, Regulation, Litigation and Ginzburgization)
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To: spatso
You make Obama into this 10 foot tall giant. He is not.

Morris guaranteed that Hillary would be out next president. He gives out every possible opinion on a subject so he can say he was right. He's playing people like YOU like a violin.

72 posted on 06/26/2008 8:11:30 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited

Do you not believe in a conservative agenda? I think what some analysts are beginning to realize is that Obama is learning to make it about personalities thereby avoiding have to deal with hard issues.


73 posted on 06/26/2008 8:21:30 AM PDT by spatso
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To: Red Steel

Even if this a genuine newly issued certificate of birth.

Where’s his original birth certificate? Which one did he use to get a passport? When did he get a passport? Why won’t he mention this issue?


74 posted on 06/26/2008 8:22:48 AM PDT by McGruff (This is not the [insert name here] I knew.)
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To: spatso

Imagine if this was happening to McCain or Bush. The media is smart enough to know that these things hurt candidates. When they don’t settle these matters quickly, it makes them look squirrelly.


75 posted on 06/26/2008 8:33:14 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: tuckrdout; Red Steel
Maybe he wasn’t actually born in 1961? Perhaps born before mom was 18, and before Hawaii was a state?

That wouldn't matter. Hawaii was a US territory from the 1890's till 1959. McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone which wasn't even a territory. Under a 1904 law he could be considered a US citizen even if he only had one parent who was a US citizen.

76 posted on 06/26/2008 9:00:48 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less.)
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To: spatso

What don’t you understand about “we can do more than one thing at one time”?


77 posted on 06/26/2008 9:13:38 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: ishabibble

Excellent question but the system was prolly down when he showed up.


78 posted on 06/26/2008 2:58:17 PM PDT by mcshot (Bitterly Loving God, Family, and Guns more then ever. And greatly missing President Reagan)
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To: AmericaUnited

I agree. You do not attack an entire enemy Army at one point/place. Make no mistake that Obama has this issue covered by somewhere whether true or not.

You get on the offense using all the Principles of the Offense, and; you hammer and hammer.


79 posted on 06/26/2008 7:56:19 PM PDT by Lumper20
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To: FormerACLUmember

This picture of Obama isn’t clear enough. It isn’t clear that he is wearing traditonal muslim clothing, and posing with his African brother. I seem to remember another instance where Obama was in Muslim clothing...wonder how many photos there are of him in these clothes? I can see trying them on once, to pose for a photo, but loads of times?


80 posted on 06/30/2008 6:40:55 AM PDT by tuckrdout (The good man wins his case by careful argument; the evil-minded only wants to fight. Prov. 13:2)
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