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Unstamped certificate suggests Obama may not be "natural born" US citizen
Israel Insider ^ | June 24, 2008 | Reuven Koret

Posted on 06/28/2008 12:20:21 PM PDT by FocusNexus

The "birth certificate" claimed by the Barack Obama campaign is not certified as authentic and appears to be a photoshopped fake.

Embossed seal of the State of Hawaii absent from the purported "birth certificate" of Barack Obama

Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health, told Israel Insider: "At this time there are no circumstances in which the State of Hawaii Department of Health would issue a birth certification or certification of live birth only electronically." And, she added, "In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document."

So if he were registered as being born in Hawaii, Barack Obama -- because only he or another member of his immediate family could by law request a "Certification of Live Birth" -- must have a certified paper copy, with embossed stamp and seal, or he could request one. But what his campaign has put forward as genuine, according to the senior spokesman in the relevant department of the State of Hawaii, is not in fact a certified copy. It is not valid.

The Obama campaign, however, continues to flaunt the unstamped, unsealed, uncertified document -- notably in very low resolution -- on its "Fight the Smears" website, with campaign officials vowing that it's authentic, sending the image around as "proof" to reporters, and inviting supporters to refer to it as they battle against supposed distortions and calumnies against their candidate. However, the campaign refuses to produce an authentic original birth certificate from the year of Obama's birth, or even a paper version with seal and signature of the "Certification of Live Birth." Nor has it even published an electronic copy with the requisite embossed seal and signature.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; blankonline; certifigate; obama; obamatruthfile; oldstory; posteddozensoftimes; trysearch; whatisobamahiding; whereisoriginal
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To: Jeff Chandler

“They would be more likely to attack anybody who brought the truth forward. I don’t know why; they’re just stupid, I guess.”

Whoever came up with “The Republican party is the stupid party and the Democrat party is the evil party” nailed it.


161 posted on 06/28/2008 4:27:35 PM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy
""However the citizenship statutes are irrelevant to the issue of Presidential eligibility--to both Obama and McCain. The "natural born" rule is a rule of Constitutional Law......" Please explain further... I am listening, just not understanding this last part of your statement."

The Constitution defines the law on this question--it is the "natural born" rule. Neither the Senate nor the Congress can modify operation of this rule. A Constitutional inquiry on the question of whether an individual is "natural born" for this purpose looks at what the Constitution means when it uses this term.

It doesn't look at what the Senate or anyone else says the term means--it looks only at what the founders meant.

The Citizenship statute was enacted to address the citizenship issue; not the question of eligibility to serve as President. We have decided to permit some persons, not born in the USA to be citizens; but doing so is not a determination that they are "natural born" citizens within the meaning of the Constitutional provision for eligibility to serve as president--and we couldn't do that as a matter of law anyway unless we want to amend the Constitution.

162 posted on 06/28/2008 4:30:08 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: Cedric

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?m=all;o=time;q=quick;s=obama%20birth%20certificate

Newbie...perhaps you should go elsewhere.


163 posted on 06/28/2008 4:31:24 PM PDT by politicalwit (AKA... A Tradition Continues...Now a Hoosier Freeper)
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To: politicalwit

Why does a Daily Kos Diary writer, Democratic Party activist, and Obama supporter have two fake Hawaii Certifications of Live Birth posted to his Photobucket.com image album? Perhaps Jay Mckinnon, who appears on numerous progressive blogs under the screen name opendna and describes himself as a former federal officer and trained document expert for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) can explain the forged documents. One of the forgeries is appropriately labeled “Haye I.B. Aphorgerie” under CHILD’S NAME and the other is blank except for the same time (7:24PM) and Island of Birth (Oahu) as found on Obama’s suspect Certification of Live Birth. These forged documents were discovered in his photobucket.com album shortly after Daily Kos posted the alleged Obama Certification. Particularly interesting is the fact that neither of these fake documents displays the reversed time stamp found on the proffered Obama alleged Certification. The mostly blank certificate is thus perfect for the creation of a forgery. What follows below raises the question: is there a link between these forged documents and Barack Obama’s Certification of Live Birth posted at Daily Kos and on the Obama Campaign Website?

As a former broadcast news director and investigative journalist, I am cognizant of the importance of full documentation. So, in spite the fact that it may make reading this a little tedious, I am providing links to all of the information which follows. And, because of the tendency of things to disappear on the Internet, I have taken screenshots of each website which include properties boxes denoting the date and link of each item.

Let’s start with the forged Hawaii Certifications of Live Birth, which, as of 8am on June 26, 2008 still appeared in opendna’s photobucket.com album:

(Haye I.B.. Aphorgerie)
Photobucket.

From NoQuarter Blog


164 posted on 06/28/2008 4:32:55 PM PDT by WilliamReading
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To: Jet Jaguar; Ernest_at_the_Beach; pissant; Grampa Dave; expatguy

Lest anyone think that it’s ONLY those crazy freepers with questions about Certigate:

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/28/daily-kos-an-obama-activist-and-forged-birth-certifications/

And then...there’s this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXNLLAk9gek


165 posted on 06/28/2008 4:38:04 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: WilliamReading

Hah! Is that timing or what? See the post after yours’ :)


166 posted on 06/28/2008 4:40:26 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: FocusNexus

Hmm, I am not stupid, and I am not evil.

What party would want me then?


167 posted on 06/28/2008 4:42:51 PM PDT by jacquej
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy

she has been campaigning largely trying to convince superdelegates that he’s not electable

She knows.


168 posted on 06/28/2008 4:44:49 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: David
"We have decided to permit some persons, not born in the USA to be citizens; but doing so is not a determination that they are "natural born" citizens within the meaning of the Constitutional provision for eligibility to serve as president--and we couldn't do that as a matter of law anyway unless we want to amend the Constitution. "

If this is true then maybe that is why the Republicans won't touch Obama's intelligibility. And to go a step further, then if at the Dem. convention Hillary points out Obamas intelligibility, then points to McCain and says he is intelligible too...... then the Hilldabeast wins the election with no votes necessary...... horrors!

169 posted on 06/28/2008 4:46:13 PM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: The Truth Will Make You Free
You completely discounted both caucasian and oriental “Africans”.

“African” is not a race.

The birth certificate erroneously claims his race is African.

170 posted on 06/28/2008 4:50:51 PM PDT by HighWheeler (The higher the concentration of libs, the bigger the tragedy that follows.)
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To: David

So you are saying that Obama wasn’t born in HI but somewhere else outside the US and it’s territories, correct? It would appear to me that if he was born in HI a state of the US he would be a natural born citizen regardless of the parents citizenship.....

It’s been argued many ways I know but I don’t read the 14th Amendment Sec. 1 saying anything about the parents being citizens or how many have to be.

Section 1

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


171 posted on 06/28/2008 4:56:13 PM PDT by deport ( ----Cue Spooky Music---)
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To: Bahbah

I meant to ping you to # 165

And it reminded me of another point that has been made- but should be made again.

Remember when there was the odd file-tampering last year of the passport records?


172 posted on 06/28/2008 5:00:50 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: ImaGraftedBranch
I started my post after reading the #2 post by FocusNexus with the "certificate", at about 3:30 WITHOUT reading any of the posts below it, cuz I had been thinking about it for a few days, and finally thought I should "try" to "compose it".

With my wife's help, it took me until the time of my post to compile it and post it, durring a SEVERE thunderstorm we were having from about 3:45 until about 5:30, which killed ALL the power in the house less than 15 seconds after I posted.

When I "rebooted" after the power came back on, I started at the top of the thread, where I had left off before my "hasty" post, and found out there were a TON of Freepers who had already mentioned what it took me an hour and ten minutes to "create". The Ultra Sonic #18 post, Sand Rat's #12 post, were just the First of MANY others who pretty much made my effort pretty redundant.

Oh well, I DID learn a few new Photoshop, and Power Point "tricks" from my wife!!!

My apologies for duplicating something already pretty much hashed over by my fellow FReepers!!

173 posted on 06/28/2008 5:01:28 PM PDT by musicman
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To: Jet Jaguar; All

I am out of here for the night..... but FReepers, let’s not let this issue die. We need to get to the bottom of it!


174 posted on 06/28/2008 5:01:52 PM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: politicalwit
No, I'm needed and admired right here.

BTW, how long must one be a FReeper before one may join the bitchin’-’bout-repetition patrol?

175 posted on 06/28/2008 5:04:29 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy

It’s coming.


176 posted on 06/28/2008 5:04:32 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: Jet Jaguar

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/21/ap-rice-tells-clinton-her-passport-file-was-also-breached-in-07/

Remember?

And here I thought it was last year. Oh well. I’m over 50.


177 posted on 06/28/2008 5:07:19 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom
Remember when there was the odd file-tampering last year of the passport records?

No, I don't recall that. Any particulars?

178 posted on 06/28/2008 5:08:15 PM PDT by Bahbah (Typical white person)
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To: brushcop

The real issue is WHY doesn’t Obama put all this to bed and show his original birth certificate to reporters and sign permission for them to get a copy directly from Hawaii.

He could dispel all the speculation once and for all.

So why isn’t he letting us see the original?

The only conclusion one can come to, is that he determined that truth is much worse for him, than all these speculations.


179 posted on 06/28/2008 5:10:01 PM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy
So, why is Obama being allowed to get away with this?

There are two Americas.
180 posted on 06/28/2008 5:10:44 PM PDT by Notasoccermom (.)
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