Vietnam Veterans Against the War Lane Anderson Spreads Smear That McCain Started Forrestal Fire

[Doctor Raoul]

Look out for the next smear from the radical left, that McCain started the USS Forrestal fire.

McCain plane was hit by an accidentally fired rocket, for Pete's sake how to you even work up a lie that he's somehow responsible.

[CindyDawg]

His plane was hit?

[Army Air Corps]

The scumbags have some serious chutzpah considering most of the VVAW wankers were proven to be fakers.

[smoketree]

It was parked on deck and hit by a missile accidently released and fired from another plane on deck.

[Not now, Not ever!]

It was. while sitting on the deck.

[MarkL]

His plane was hit?

While on the flight deck of the Forestall (sp?). I believe that there was a short circuit in the fire control of another plane on the flight deck, and McCain's A4 was hit by what was I believe a Zuni rocket. His plane was fully fueled and armed, and he was waiting to take off. McCain got out of his plane and had to crawl through fire to get to safety.

McCain was absolutely blameless, and anyone who says anything different is beneath contempt. A lot of good men died that day.

Mark

[WildcatClan]

I don’t think anyone will try to attack McCain with this. The Forrestal Fire is on video. You can see with your own eyes exactly what happened and the sequence of events clearly exonerate McCain. Why in hell would he start something that could have very well killed him anyway? He’s a backstabber but he doesn’t deserve this kind of tripe being spread against him.

[freeplancer]

I saw footage of it and a plane in the front of the line had a hot-fire on a Air to Air missile and it took out JM’s axillary fuel tank and the rest is history.

[piytar]

“Pete’s sake how to you even work up a lie that he’s somehow responsible.”

Um, because libscum are lying sacks of sh!t who know they have dumbed down the American public (thanks, NEA) to the point where many dem voters will buy any idiotic cr@p they spew? See 1984 by Orwell.

[Not now, Not ever!]

Hope Mc. Stain sues him blind.

[Doc91678]

Nah, It was a guy named StevenCVA59. He loaded the Zuni rocket improperly.
He’s on aol.com. Just ask him.

[Libertarianize the GOP]

From: Naval Aviation News, October 1967
compiled and edited by Senior Chief Journalist John D. Burlage

The Forrestal Fire
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ships/carriers/histories/cv59-forrestal/forrestal-fire.html

[Michael Barnes]

Wait a second..wasn't the FOOTAGE of the WHOLE incident already on the History channel (or Discovery)?

Wait*Wait!! It was all CGI on those channels! ALL fake, kinda like a birth certificate (and hex code at the 24th byte *cough*)....

The left should keep this up; their pissing me off right into voting for Sen. McCain.

[freeplancer]

I forgot to add that the reason so many people died is because there was a huge load of WWII left-over ordinance stored on deck at the time and the first blast put holes in all of the fire hoses

[WildcatClan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chuiyXQKw3I

[Enchante]

COMPLETE AND TOTAL B.S.

The cause of the USS Forrestal fire had nothing to do with John McCain. A Zuni rocket launched accidentally from an F-4 (Phantom), NOT an A-4, and it came from the opposite side of the flight deck compared to where McCain was sitting in his A-4 readying for take-off. McCain’s A-4 was not the plane involved either in launching the Zuni rocket or getting hit by the Zuni rocket, but he was very close to the conflagration and easily could have lost his life. Many did perish in the ensuing fires, but for anyone to assert that John McCain bore any responsibility is completely contrary to the findings of extensive investigations and witness reports. These scumbags will not stop smearing anyone who doesn’t share their far-left derangement.

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“At 10:52 A.M. on July 29, the second launch was being readied when a Zuni rocket accidentally fired from an F-4 Phantom parked on the starboard side of the flight deck aft of the island. The missile streaked across the deck into a 400 gallon belly fuel tank on a parked A-4D Skyhawk. The ruptured tank spew highly flammable JP-5 fuel onto the deck which ignited spreading flames over the flight deck under other fully loaded aircraft ready for launch. The ensuing fire caused ordinance to explode and other rockets to ignite. Spread by the wind, the flames engulfed the aft end of the stricken ship turning the flight deck into a blazing inferno.. Berthing spaces immediately below the flight deck became death traps for fifty men, while other crewmen were blown overboard by the explosion.”

http://www.forrestal.org/fidfacts/page13.htm

[smoketree]

Even though there is video and a whole tv episode on it they still try to lie about it.
These people are psychotic.
Even a lawyer wouldn’t make such a blatent easily disprovable lie.

[Billthedrill]

Oh, yeah. Everybody going through Damage Control school in the 70's got chapter and verse on the Forrestal. It was one of those cascades of events that you couldn't make worse if you tried.

McCain is lucky to be alive. The guy next to him made it to the flight deck and was killed when the first bomb cooked off. A Chief had the brass ones to try cooling it with a hand-held fire extinguisher and paid for it with his life. 134 guys lost that day.

[R_Kangel]

The left has no idea what the Swiftboat Veterans against J F Kerry movement was all about in the last election. They think it was a bunch of GOP Operatives posing as veterans telling lies about John Kerry's shining patriotic career in the Navy.

I believe that all of this crap we are starting to see and hear is their version of "SwiftBoating." They are claiming that:......... "Well they (GOP) did it to Kerry so we are going to do it to McCain!"

That is an exact quote of what I heard from a liberal on Monday.

[300winmag]

His plane was hit?

His plane fired the rocket. This is a common danger in naval aviation, even today. There is so much high-power radar around, it can jump the ignition gap on a rocket motor, and start the motor.

There are electrical shunt clips that "safe" the motor, but they have to be removed before flight. Best practice is to then have the aircraft pointing to the side of the carrier, aimed at empty ocean. But once they start lining up for launching, your have some twitchy electrical circuits waiting for a stray electrical pulse, rather than the pilot pushing a button.

The rocket, a 2.75 FFAR, came from McCain's A-4, but it was shown to have been a freak accident, and he had nothing to do with it. It's just a lousy smear by swine who know better, but figure they can convince enough dummies to keep the libel circulating.

Oh, and accidental rocket firings still happen today, even after 40 years of technological improvements.

[NRA2BFree]

When is McCain going to learn that he cannot trust liberals? He's trying to be Mr. Nice Guy, and the RATS are screwing him at every turn. He better cowboy up and go for the jugular if he really wants to be President.

[Billthedrill]

I believe it was actually an F-4 that had the Zuni. The A-4’s were dropping 1000-lb gravity bombs, IIRC. Might be wrong.

[ETL]

John Kerry, from his book, The New Soldier:

"We will not quickly join those who march on Veterans' Day waving small [American] flags, calling to memory those thousands who died for the 'greater glory of the United States.'..."

"The John Kerry quote comes in the epilogue to "The New Soldier," the book put out by Vietnam Veterans Against the War [VVAW]. The book's cover features a group of not-particularly sober-looking anti-war protesters (vets, presumably) flying the American flag upside down [while mocking the historic flag raising event at Iwo Jima]":
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1203164/posts

Note John Kerry's name at top right of The New Soldier

John Kerry: "...if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned."

"Under questioning from the Committee, Kerry referred to the democratically elected government of South Vietnam -- our allies -- as a "dictatorial regime, the Thieu-Ky-Khiem regime," while respectfully calling the North Vietnamese communist regime we were fighting by its oxymoronic official name, the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, and the murderous Viet Cong's political arm by their preferred "Provisional Revolutionary Government.":
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/lindachavez/lc20040428.shtml

From Frontpagemag.com:
During the question and answer period following his April 22, 1971 televised testimony before the Armed Services Committee of the United States Senate, Kerry said:

"I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points it has been stated time and time again, and was stated by Senator Vance Hartke when he returned from Paris, and it has been stated by many other officials of this Government, if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned."

Even today, knowing what we know about the Vietnamese communists and about John Kerry, it is difficult to grasp the enormity of what he was confessing to. As an American citizen and a member of the United States Navy—while his former comrades and countless others were fighting and dying in Vietnam at the hands of Viet Cong guerillas and North Vietnamese regulars—Kerry consorted with the Viet Cong representative and discussed (“talked with,” he euphemized) her “plan.” That obscene plan included a trade: the return of our POWs for a withdrawal of American forces.

As John O’Neill expressed in his important bestselling book Unfit For Command, “. . . America could have its POWs back only if we agreed that we lost, then surrendered, and then set a date to leave.”

Kerry’s wartime trip to Paris was confirmed about six months ago by a campaign spokesman, who tossed it off as a mere “fact-finding” excursion.

Yet Kerry was apparently so impressed with the “facts” he found in company with the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese that a few months after his return from Paris he had the effrontery to urge the President of the United States to accept his communist hosts’ plan for 'peace' in Vietnam."
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15127

"We will not quickly join those who march on Veterans' Day waving small (American) flags, calling to memory those thousands who died for the 'greater glory of the United States.' "

So John Kerry would have a difficult time marching with those waving small American flags yet had NO problems marching with those waving HUGE VIETCONG FLAGS?

"Pictured above: VVAW-supported demonstration during the Washington Spring Offensive, April - May 1971. Notice the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong flags."

June, 1970 -- Kerry joins Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), a national veterans group that is part of the Peoples Coalition for Peace and Justice. The PCPJ is a broad coalition of local and national organizations, including the Communist Party, USA, "committed to conducting demonstrations aimed at ending the war in Indochina, and poverty, racism and injustice at home." The VVAW, CCI and PCPJ all have headquarters at 156 Fifth Avenue in New York City. VVAW Executive Secretary Al Hubbard, a former Black Panther, is also on the coordinating committee of the PCPJ. Hubbard soon appoints Kerry to the VVAW's Executive Committee, bypassing the normal election process.
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=Timeline

http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm

November 22, 1970 -- During a fund-raising tour for GI deserters, Vietnam Veterans Against the War and the Black Panthers, Jane Fonda is quoted in the Detroit Free Press as telling a University of Michigan audience:

"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would someday become communist," and "The peace proposal of the Viet Cong is the only honorable, just, possible way to achieve peace in Vietnam."
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=Timeline

Fonda made the following statement at the University of Texas:
"We've got to establish a Socialist economic structure that will limit private profit-oriented businesses. Whether the transition is peaceful depends on the way our present governmental leaders react. We must commit our lives to this transition ...... We should be very proud of our new breed of soldier. It's not organized but it's mutiny, and they have every right." --Karen Elliott Dallas Morning News December 11, 1971

PHOTO: "Jane Fonda and John Kerry at an anti-war rally in Valley Forge, Pa. (Leif Skoogfors/Corbis)"
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry.asp

John Kerry and the VVAW--Hanoi's American Puppets?
"Two recently discovered documents captured from the Vietnamese communists during the Vietnam War strongly support the contention that a close link existed between the Hanoi regime and the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) while John Kerry served as the group's leading national spokesman."
http://www.wintersoldier.com/staticpages/index.php?page=puppets

Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) Complete FBI files:
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=VVAWFBI

[300winmag]

I stand corrected on the details. McCain's aircraft was next to the one that was hit. He got out, and tried to rescue the pilot of the stricken A-4.

It still reinforces the safety rule of "watch where the rockets are pointing". The same applies to Army helicopters, and is constantly pounded into heads.

[Enchante]

No problem, I hope you do know I wasn’t yelling at you since my post was before yours? :^)

It’s these VVAW liars that make my blood boil. This kind of smear isn’t near any borderline of uncertainty, it’s patently absurd and contradicted by extensive video, photo, and witness evidence. There is no grey area at all for these scumbags to try to make their ‘charges’ — they are like the 9/11 nutters. Probably some of the same people.....

[Michael.SF.]

Everybody going through Damage Control school in the 70's got chapter and verse on the Forrestal.

My son went through Damage Control school at Great lakes in '82, they still do.

[300winmag]

No problem. But this McCain libel is worse than the 9-11 truthers. Just come up with a heinous lie, and know that some morons who vote will buy it.

Anybody with an IQ above room temperature can find the truth with just a couple minutes of looking. But when you're wrapped up in a straight jacket, someone else is more than willing to spoon-feed you what you need to know.

[pacpam]

How could you go into such detail and be so wrong about it.

[rottndog]

USS Forestal Fire Video

[MediaMole]

You are absolutely wrong. McCain’s aircaft was HIT by a rocket. It did NOT fire the rocket.

No offense, but you are helping to spread the lies.

[Bodhi1]

Is this what you mean:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vfptalk/message/4837

[Bodhi1]

BTW, that link I posted above has Lane Anderson’s email address on it. FWIW.

[A.A. Cunningham]

Zuni rocket, not a missile.

[A.A. Cunningham]

Quite a few freepers have been perpetuating that old lie as well.

[A.A. Cunningham]

His plane fired the rocket.

You are full of s***.

[7thson]

A lot of mistakes were made that day. One was the improper loading of the original missile fire. Another huge mistake was the lax attitude onboard the carrier. Many of the berthing areas had gear adrift - loose articles of clothing - which clogged up the pumps and allowed the berthing to become flooded. Also, if you watch the video, at one point a crew lays down foam which starts to smother the fire. But right behind them was another crew that washed the foam away with fire hoses and the fire reignited.

They show this film to you when they send you to firefighting school and also in boot camp. It is horrendous and scarier than a movie because it is real. There is one moment where a chief is running up with a fire extinguisher and then a horrific blast. He is gone - blown away!

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[Dilbert56]

McCain actually walked along the refueling probe (fixed on the A-4) to get clear of the fire. Pretty neat way to escape the conflagration consuming the plane.

[CholeraJoe]

Pretty neat way to escape the conflagration consuming the plane.

That only proves that he was paying attention during egress training. They teach you that.

[mware]

Hey Doc, they are not just going after McCain now. They are also going after his father for the attack on the USS Liberty.

There is a thread up right now of that smear.

[chatham]

There is a movie clip showing McCain’s plane being hit by a accedently fired missle on the deck of an aircraft carrier.

These liberals are really bad people.

[Clara Lou]

Isn’t that incident on film? I thought I saw it on the History Channel. Why spread a rumor that is easily refutable?

[FreedomPoster]

F/A-18 and an AIM-9?

[FreedomPoster]

>>It still reinforces the safety rule of “watch where the rockets are pointing”.

The aircraft ordnance corollary to RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY, from Jeff Cooper’s (4) Rules of Gun Safety

[Doctor Raoul]

Yes, the Zuni hit McCains drop tank.

[Doctor Raoul]

I don’t think anyone will try to attack McCain with this.

They just did.

[Doctor Raoul]

I concur with your version.

[Doctor Raoul]

Why spread a rumor that is easily refutable?

You tell me. We've reached apoint where there's nothing to despicable that a liberal won't say it. Facts don't matter anymore and all "opinions" are "equally good".

[Jabba the Nutt]

Are you going to believe your lieing eyes or the sainted antiwar Obamaists? Come on now, when does reality get in the way of a good lefty smear.

[Stonewall Jackson]

Thank you. I’ve been looking for a link to that.