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Five-point energy proposal may lower gas prices in near future (new drilling not included)
Sun-Sentinel ^ | 7/03/08 | Kevin Clark

Posted on 07/04/2008 6:10:04 PM PDT by Libloather

Five-point energy proposal may lower gas prices in near future
5-point plan aims to help rid nation of 'oil addiction'
By Kevin Clark | South Florida Sun-Sentinel
10:07 PM EDT, July 3, 2008

DEERFIELD BEACH - U.S. Rep. Ron Klein announced a "Declaration of Energy Independence" Thursday, a plan he hopes to push through Congress that he says will help the country with what he calls an "addiction to oil."

Klein, D- Boca Raton, thinks the plan, unveiled at a news conference, , could work to lower gas prices in the near future.

The five-point plan consists of:

• Imposing criminal penalties for gas price gougers;

• Stopping speculation that drives up oil prices;

• Demanding oil companies drill all the land they control but are not drilling before leasing new federal land;

• Expanding clean energy tax;

• Investing in research for affordable energy.

"Let's use American innovation and a sort-of Manhattan Project thinking," Klein said, referring to the 1940s effort that developed the atomic bomb. "Let's find the answers to these problems, and there's a science-based solution to them."

Klein particularly attacked a proposal for oil drilling off the Florida coast, saying the benefits wouldn't be realized for five to 10 years.

The Hill newspaper in Washington reported Wednesday that Klein owned between $1,000 and $15,000 in stock in Hornbeck Offshore Services, which doesn't drill but provides equipment such as tugboats to the drillers.

Klein also called for taking away subsidies from oil companies and possibly putting them toward challenge grants for scientists for alternative energy.

(Excerpt) Read more at sun-sentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; 68millionacres; cluelessidiots; congress; democratparty; democrats; donothingcongress; doworsethannothing; drillheredrillnow; drilling; elections; energy; gasprices; oil; pelosi; shadowparty
The US will drill. Sooner is better than later, but the US will drill. RATS have decided to slow-bleed the country's economy. They'll pay for it - at the ballot box.
1 posted on 07/04/2008 6:10:04 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

This guy is just proposing all the dem talking points that their minions have been sent out to spew on the nightly shows.

BTW, they’re happy we now have high oil prices and believe they will lead us to oil alternatives. If this were true, the historically high fuel costs in Europe would have already done this, but they haven’t.

We need to drill now, drill everywhere.


2 posted on 07/04/2008 6:14:39 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Libloather

This silly 5-point scheme is guaranteed to have no effect whatever upon the supply of oil, thus the price of oil. All of the twisting and contorting to avoid expanding our own exploration is becoming laughable.


3 posted on 07/04/2008 6:15:34 PM PDT by Blennos (High Point, NC)
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To: Libloather

I don’t know what this idiot is smoking but he needs to stop or share.

His plan is no plan, throw him in the ocean.


4 posted on 07/04/2008 6:17:26 PM PDT by longun45 (There is no difference between a republocrat and a demican, time to kick them both out.)
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To: Libloather
Another PRIME example of why the 535 people of Congress deserve a negative rating:-)))))))))
5 posted on 07/04/2008 6:19:22 PM PDT by geo40xyz (BE PREPARED: Rotate the ammo, food supplies, water, gas etc. Update the list:-() No new debt..)
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To: Libloather
Demanding oil companies drill all the land they control but are not drilling before leasing new federal land;

Yes, drill all the leases with zero prospects identified, that'll use up the drilling budgets so there won't be any money to drill the better quality acreage, that's the ticket !

6 posted on 07/04/2008 6:19:36 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: Libloather

This talk of an energy “Manhattan Project” is absurd. There was well-understood and -developed science behind the Manhattan project. There’s nothing of the sort waiting in the wings to replace existing energy systems.


7 posted on 07/04/2008 6:20:31 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Non-bitter, Gun-totin', Typical White American)
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To: Libloather
"Drill all the land they control"

This would cause an inordinate number of dry holes, not to mention that many promising locations are not drilled because of the restrictions and prohibitions that still must be overcome to be able to drill on land already leased. Price gouging strictures would be de facto price controls and will, in enacted, dry pu the oil supply because the oilcos will know that their profits and some more will be extracted from them by the government. with "gouging" as the excuse. At the very least it will tie up the oilcos in litigation as every lefty group goes to court to sue because of every fluctuation in price.

"Nationalization" was not just a slip of the tongue or of the brain. It is in the minds of most of the Democrats and the left in general. And in a few months they will control Congress and perhaps the presidency.

8 posted on 07/04/2008 6:22:09 PM PDT by arthurus
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To: Libloather

And, the sooner we beging drilling, the closer we will be to that point where new supplies can help to alleviate the current conditions.
We have the means and the resources to be independent of ALL foreign oil. Unfortunately, we also have the LibTard Tree Huggers, Enviro-Whackos and the DhimmiRats standing in the way.
The only Manhattan project we need is the one to put these idiots on the sidelines until the rest of us secure the country, again...


9 posted on 07/04/2008 6:23:19 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion)
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To: Libloather

Wow. Klein is so smart! Genius!!!

Forget free markets, he has all of the answers.


10 posted on 07/04/2008 6:27:01 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Libloather
The five-point plan consists of: • Imposing criminal penalties for gas price gougers;
Pointless
Stopping speculation that drives up oil prices;
Pointless
Demanding oil companies drill all the land they control but are not drilling before leasing new federal land;
Counterproductive
• Expanding clean energy tax;
Probably counter productive definitely higher prices short term
• Investing in research for affordable energy.
Ill defined -- could be almost anything.

All in all, quite a program.

11 posted on 07/04/2008 6:28:43 PM PDT by R W Reactionairy ("Everyone is entitled to their own opinion ... but not to their own facts" Daniel Patrick Moynihan)
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To: Libloather
a plan he hopes to push through Congress that he says will help the country with what he calls an "addiction to oil."

The World is addicted to and runs on oil and oil products. Get used to it or go back to the caves, enjoy raw food, bad teeth, poor health, freezing cold winters and blazing hot summers which will be lived in DARKNESS!

12 posted on 07/04/2008 6:35:38 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: Libloather

I truly hope that you are right, but I still see November 4 as being a very good day for Democratic Party increases at every level throughout most of the U.S.! Please have me be wrong about this prediction!


13 posted on 07/04/2008 6:41:22 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (Vote for conservatives AT ALL POLITICAL LEVELS! Encourage all others to do the same on November 4!)
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To: Libloather

Congress should demand that the tooth fairy put an extra $5,000 under everyone’s pillow. That will solve the energy problem.


14 posted on 07/04/2008 6:49:35 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Don Corleone

We’re all addicted to food, water and air. Wanna stop using all those, too, in the name of conservation?


15 posted on 07/04/2008 6:51:01 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: Libloather

how does he stop international speculation?


16 posted on 07/04/2008 6:54:29 PM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: Libloather
This jackass's first four points will just ensure greater employment for government lawyers. The fifth one was tried by Jimmie Carter back in 1979 or 1980 and it was a failure. The only plan that will work is (1) "Drill Here, Drill Now" and (2) "Build More Refineries Now."

BTW, isn't this the guy who narrowly won his seat against a write-in candidate in 2006?

17 posted on 07/04/2008 7:00:47 PM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Redefeat Communism by defeating the Obamanation in 2008)
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To: Libloather

If you like $5/gal, Thank Congress in Nov.

Pray for W and Our Troops


18 posted on 07/04/2008 7:27:16 PM PDT by bray (Drill Congress!!!)
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To: Libloather
Klein's plan does nothing to increase the supply of oil now or in the future. More regulation will just decrease the supply of oil resulting in either shortages (if the price is regulated through anti-gouging measures) or higher prices due to high demand that cannot be met by supply.

To the liberals who insist that drilling now in ANWR and the continental shelf will take 10 years to begin to deliver oil to the market I say,
Do you think oil will be less expensive in 10 years?

Do you think we will need less oil in 10 years?

Only if we are in a depression that would make the 1930's look like boom years.

Drill Here, Drill Now!

19 posted on 07/04/2008 7:27:32 PM PDT by eggman (Read it on Free Republic tonight, see it on the network news when the DNC sends them the copy.)
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To: Libloather
Demanding oil companies drill all the land they control but are not drilling before leasing new federal land;

This is so illogical I don't understand how every media outlet keeps saying this with a straight face.

If the oil companies were not drilling leases that had oil, because they wanted to restrict the amount of oil and drive up the prices, how would it "punish" them to prevent additional federal oil leases? Doesn't that in fact keep MORE land off the list of land being drilled for oil?

It's not like there are another dozen oil companies who WANT to drill but are being locked out because all the leases are taken already.

And wait -- if there WERE actually a dozen more oil companies who had no leases, and who were being locked out, and THAT was the point of this rule, wouldn't it make sense to open up new land for leasing, but only allow the new companies to drill it? Of course, there aren't any such companies.

So logically, this move by the Democrats simply restricts the government from earning more lease money, and holds land away from oil companies who the Democrats say aren't drilling the land they have -- thus leaving the additional lands undrilled.

20 posted on 07/04/2008 7:30:43 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: arthurus

If the republicans were smart, they would introduce legislation to remove ALL restrictions on the existing federally leased land, so the oil companies could “drill all the leases they haven’t drilled”, and thus give us the 4.6 million barrels of oil the Democrats say they want the oil companies to drill.


21 posted on 07/04/2008 7:32:16 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: johnthebaptistmoore
I still see November 4 as being a very good day for Democratic Party

Why?

22 posted on 07/04/2008 7:41:57 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: eggman

If Clinton had not vetoed the budget bill Republicans sent him in 95 that allowed for drilling in ANWR, we’d be using ANWR oil right now. Thanks, Bill Clinton. We can’t let him get by with this.


23 posted on 07/04/2008 7:45:07 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Libloather

Fitting he represents ‘Mouth of the ‘RAT’, FL.

Another ‘D’ in the bag for the loonies.


24 posted on 07/04/2008 8:12:43 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Barack Hussein Obama=Jimmy Carter Part Deux)
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To: FreedomPoster
"This talk of an energy “Manhattan Project” is absurd. There was well-understood and -developed science behind the Manhattan project. There’s nothing of the sort waiting in the wings to replace existing energy systems."

We have a ready alternate, partly or wholly as a result of the first Manhattan project - nuclear. This isn't directly applicable as a replacement for all the uses of oil, but it is a great start, along with drilling lots of holes.

25 posted on 07/04/2008 8:13:38 PM PDT by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

The anti-Bush, anti-Republican Party, anti-conservatism, and dumbed down sheeple populations are very large throughout the U.S., and, unfortunately, many of these same groups of people do vote on election day. They all see Obama as a savior with all of the solutions to all of the issues, and nothing anyone does will truly change their views of Obama no matter how much Obama may screw up prior to November 4.


26 posted on 07/04/2008 8:24:10 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (Vote for conservatives AT ALL POLITICAL LEVELS! Encourage all others to do the same on November 4!)
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To: Libloather
RATS have decided to slow-bleed the country's economy. They'll pay for it - at the ballot box.

I have every confidence the pubs will snatch defeat from the hands of victory.
They just don't know how to fight and refuse to learn.

The President could and should be banging the dims over this oil 'crisis'. But he won't and we will take the blame.

27 posted on 07/04/2008 8:25:34 PM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Libloather
These people are even stupider than I thought. Can they define "gouging"? Is there a certain profit margin that's permissable? Does it apply to all products of just oil?

I think we already know the answers to those questions.

Fencepost, you've won your intelligence contest!

28 posted on 07/04/2008 8:26:53 PM PDT by meyer (Government is the problem, not the solution.)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore
anti-Bush, anti-Republican Party

What's Bush done to expand oil production in the USA....what has any republican done to expand oil production in the USA? What has Bush or the republicans done to expand nuclear energy in the USA? Other than throwing $$$ to ADM they haven't done a damn thing.

When it comes to energy production for the USA both Bush and the republican elected Congress have been as worthless as tits on a boar.

29 posted on 07/04/2008 8:36:32 PM PDT by politicalwit (AKA... A Tradition Continues...Now a Hoosier Freeper)
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To: Blennos

This “invest in renewable energy” is ridiculous.
Solar power projects on federal lands are on hold because environmentalists sued for more impact studies.
Wind power off the Massachusetts cape is on hold because Kennedy needs a pristine beach view.
Hydroelectric projects are threatened to save non-threatened fish or so Native Americans can have a couple more fishing jobs.
Geothermal is illegal in the places it would work best (Yellowstone national park).
Liberals are hobbling the renewable energy projects we have. Why more research? So they have something else to oppose?


30 posted on 07/04/2008 8:38:27 PM PDT by tbw2 ("Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" by Tamara Wilhite - on amazon.com)
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To: meyer
Can they define "gouging"?

Yes. One station charges $4.01 and another station, 100 yards away, is charging $4.05. THAT'S gouging.

31 posted on 07/04/2008 8:44:44 PM PDT by Libloather (July is Liberal Awareness Month.)
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To: Libloather
bumper-sticker
 
 

Contact your Congress critters to let them know that you are tired of high gas prices.

U. S. Senate

U. S. House of Representatives

32 posted on 07/04/2008 8:47:35 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Libloather

They don’t care how hot the American people are about this ... and we ARE. Arabs must be making it worth their while.


33 posted on 07/04/2008 8:52:54 PM PDT by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: geo40xyz

Another PRIME example of why the 535 people of Congress deserve to be in the welfare line if not prison!


34 posted on 07/04/2008 8:54:54 PM PDT by dalereed (both)
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To: politicalwit

The fault truly remains with ALL of Congress from BOTH major political parties, and their fault on this issue goes back to the ‘70’s when the last oil refinery was built in 1976 and while environmentalists were given too much political clout on this issue from then on!


35 posted on 07/04/2008 9:12:06 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (Vote for conservatives AT ALL POLITICAL LEVELS! Encourage all others to do the same on November 4!)
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To: SERKIT

“We’re all addicted to food, water and air. Wanna stop using all those, too, in the name of conservation?”

Thank you. It needed to be said again.


36 posted on 07/04/2008 11:23:10 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: RightWingConspirator

“This jackass’s first four points will just ensure greater employment for government lawyers. The fifth one was tried by Jimmie Carter back in 1979 or 1980 and it was a failure. The only plan that will work is (1) “Drill Here, Drill Now” and (2) “Build More Refineries Now.””

You forgot to add (3) “Build nuclear power plants”


37 posted on 07/04/2008 11:24:56 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: HangThemHigh

I very much concur. But almost no one on the Left that is talking “Manhattan Project”, implies nuclear when they’re doing so. They’re talking Faerie Dust Energy - Wind, Solar, Geothermal, Tides, etc. None of these so-called environmentally friendly sources is going to power our society, or even a significant fraction of it, any time soon.

And the Greens and the Left have gotten us so hamstrung with environmental regulation that even these sources aren’t considered environmentally acceptable. Windmills kill too many birds and the NIMBYs can’t even see them on the horizon (re: the Cape Cod windmill farm that was stopped). Even new solar installations have been stopped for a time for environmental reasons:

U.S. temporarily halts new solar projects
BUREAU TO STUDY IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2037396/posts

The Greens and the Left (among whom I include some portion of the Rs) are going to stop rational resource development until there is serious pain felt and people start to wake up and apply political pressure. This would all be a lot easier if we could get started now.


38 posted on 07/05/2008 12:56:12 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Non-bitter, Gun-totin', Typical White American)
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To: Libloather

This is all pure rat droppings.

The five-point plan consists of:

• Imposing criminal penalties for gas price gougers; Every time the rats have investigated “gas gouging” they have only succeeded in showing the world how little they understand about the free market system.

• Stopping speculation that drives up oil prices;
We don’t do things like this in America comrade. We couldn’t anyway. The world trades in oil futures jackass, not Wall Street alone.

• Demanding oil companies drill all the land they control but are not drilling before leasing new federal land;
This is a new and creative rat lie to keep us tied up and on our way to destruction. The price of oil is now so high that any company that had oil and could drill free of government interference would be doing so. Also a sign of the foolish rat lack of understanding of how the real non socialist world works: Just have the lease doesn’t mean oil is under your ground.

• Expanding clean energy tax;
Taxing us! Now there’s a fresh rat idea if there ever was one!

• Investing in research for affordable energy.
All rat plans come with this on pre printed as the final point. It is designed to be the final chance to fool a dim wit reading or listening to this bull shiite. Notice the soft edged language. The rat always talks like this so he can constantly move the goal posts.

Alan West must be scoring points against this scumbag for him to respond with this gibberish.


39 posted on 07/05/2008 4:04:04 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Libloather

This Rat should be drawn and quartered for pushing shch drivel. He breathes too much of our air


40 posted on 07/05/2008 4:10:27 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Conservation? Let the NE Yankees freeze.... in the dark)
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To: Libloather

Klein particularly attacked a proposal for oil drilling off the Florida coast, saying the benefits wouldn’t be realized for five to 10 years

Pardon me Klein, but the EPA has just put a moratorium on solar energy to “study” its environmental effects for the next two years. Let’s see...study two years ...another several years to build, connect, new infrastructure. Uhmm...it is the same time frame that you claim it will take to bring drilling back online in the United States.

Others claim your statement is a myth of timing in epic proportions.

Drill here, Drill now.


41 posted on 07/05/2008 4:22:00 AM PDT by EBH ( ... the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness. --Alculin c.735-804)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore
They all see Obama as a savior

Again, why? I'm not arguing with you. I'm trying to disect this as to WHY this is true. We know it's not based on substance so what is the motivation?

As a sideline, we live on a fairly large private lake and the place was packed yesterday. It is against covenant rules to post any political signs but yesterday I noticed a "HOPE" sign placed prominently along the lake. I called lake security and they took it down.

It's just like arrogant Democrats to believe they do not have to abide by the same rules that govern the rest of us.

42 posted on 07/05/2008 6:10:08 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom

Oops! You are absolutely correct. I shouldn’t have left that out.


43 posted on 07/05/2008 8:18:32 AM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Redefeat Communism by defeating the Obamanation in 2008)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

Earlier this year I thought the gop and McCain would win in landslides. But over the last few months they’re acted in such a brain-dead way I can’t see them turning things around in 4 months. The oil issue should be a big winner, a defining issue in the campaign. But McCain and the gop leadership are failing to drive this issue down the throats of the democrats. They need to stand up and say everyday, every time they’re in front of a camera that we have trillions of barrels of oil that we can’t touch because of the liberals. That if we could win a world war in 4 years, we can provide for our energy needs in 4 years. If the liberals would get out of the way.


44 posted on 07/05/2008 8:23:44 AM PDT by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: Libloather

They may be able to stop American speculators from gaming the price of oil (doubtful) but how will they stop the rest of the world?


45 posted on 07/05/2008 8:25:20 AM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: FreedomPoster

“Faerie dust energy” I like it.

I think the left is so filled with self hate they really wants us dead, or living in caves with no heat or light.


46 posted on 07/05/2008 8:09:38 PM PDT by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: RightWingConspirator

“Oops! You are absolutely correct. I shouldn’t have left that out.”

With all the things we have to fight liberals on, it is not surprising that we occasionally forget something.


47 posted on 07/05/2008 9:14:25 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: Libloather

Must have been Klein’s turn to foster the next DNC proposal.


48 posted on 07/05/2008 9:25:08 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: HangThemHigh

You’ve got that right. I made some comments to a guy on a Human Event Online energy thread who was just brimming with hate and BDS. It was pretty amazing. No ideas for energy solutions, just hate for the political right, America is evil, etc.


49 posted on 07/06/2008 2:28:11 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Non-bitter, Gun-totin', Typical White American)
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