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McCain’s Conservative Model? Roosevelt (Theodore, That Is)
NY Times ^ | July 13, 2008 | ADAM NAGOURNEY and MICHAEL COOPER

Posted on 07/12/2008 12:24:50 PM PDT by flyfree

HUDSON, Wis. — Senator John McCain in a wide-ranging interview called for a government that is frugal but more active than many conservatives might prefer. He said government should play an important role in areas like addressing climate change, regulating campaign finance and taking care of “those in America who cannot take care of themselves.”

“I count myself as a conservative Republican, yet I view it to a large degree in the Theodore Roosevelt mold,” Mr. McCain said, referring to Roosevelt’s reputation for reform, environmentalism and tough foreign policy.

The views expressed by Mr. McCain in the 45-minute interview here Friday illustrated the challenge the probable Republican presidential nominee faces as he tries to navigate the sensibilities of his party’s conservative base and those of the moderate and independent voters he needs to defeat Senator Barack Obama, his Democratic rival.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; electionpresident; elections; influence; mccain; mccainlist; presidents; rino; roosevelt; tr
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To: ken21

progressive, i.e. liberal socialist.

quite a few of them around these days too.. in both parties.

mcCain is no Teddy. sorry, uh uh. Teddy may have been an early enviro-friendly Chief Executive but he never chopped anybody off at the knees, unless he absolutely needed to.. use the stick or lose it. ;-)

We have had worse President.


21 posted on 07/12/2008 12:42:53 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE toll-free tip hotline 1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!!!)
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To: flyfree

Not much moderation in wanting to seize and nationalize coal mines and have soldiers mine the coal . T.R. is easily recognized as the model for McCain’s moral superiority when it comes to sneering at American business and judging profits “obscene” .


22 posted on 07/12/2008 12:43:29 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know)
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To: Ron Jeremy

So are you voting for Obama then, if you won’t vote for McCain?

That’s handing the election to the dimocrats.

(Even if you vote third party — you will still contribute to electing Obamaniac!


23 posted on 07/12/2008 12:43:32 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: flyfree

Another reason to draft Gov Palin.


24 posted on 07/12/2008 12:43:39 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican. McCain is the Conservatives true litmus test)
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To: SolidWood

you are wrong!

teddy was a republican in name only.


25 posted on 07/12/2008 12:43:42 PM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: Ron Jeremy
Is that historic fact or is it just Mr. Goldbergs opinion that TR was fascist
26 posted on 07/12/2008 12:45:15 PM PDT by Americanwolf (Don't Think a cop will help? Try calling a crack head next time......!! Thanks Thorin!)
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To: flyfree
Does he think comparing himself to TR matters diddley squat when his opponent is the freakin’ messiah? This old fool so soooo clueless.
27 posted on 07/12/2008 12:46:17 PM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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To: Abbeville Conservative; Ron Jeremy

Teddy wanted:

Social welfare legislation for women and children, workers’ compensation, farm relief, required health insurance in industry, new inheritance taxes and income taxes, and limitation of naval armaments...


28 posted on 07/12/2008 12:46:22 PM PDT by donna ( I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth. - Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: Salvation
So are you voting for Obama then, if you won’t vote for McCain?

That’s handing the election to the dimocrats.

No. You see, and this comes strange to some people, particularly in the GOP.. you have no claim on my vote. It is not "your" vote, that you are entitled to. Thus, my not voting for McCain is not taking anything away from you.

(Even if you vote third party — you will still contribute to electing Obamaniac!

Sorry. I will not accept the blame for the GOP running a liberal for president. That's your problem, not mine.

29 posted on 07/12/2008 12:47:17 PM PDT by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: NormsRevenge

i’m voting for mccain, simply because obama is worse.

but the topic above was about teddy roosevelt.

teddy was one of them, a liberal-socialist.


30 posted on 07/12/2008 12:47:30 PM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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31 posted on 07/12/2008 12:48:16 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Off balance sheet liabilities...they're not just for Enron anymore!)
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To: Americanwolf
Is that historic fact or is it just Mr. Goldbergs opinion that TR was fascist

I don't know how to answer that, as there is no international body of Fascists who certifies that you are one. Is it a historical fact that Jimmy Carter is a traitor? I would say yes, he would say no, but I know of no way to say that he is as "historical fact".

32 posted on 07/12/2008 12:49:27 PM PDT by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: ken21
Whew. TR sounds like a freakin’ national socialist.
33 posted on 07/12/2008 12:49:47 PM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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To: isrul

it seems like a virus that was going around at the turn of the 19th-20th c.

americans and europeans were taken by socialism.

president woodrow wilson was the biggest liberal of the progressive era.

if you read my quote above, teddy did not think much of private property.

hitler and mussolini admired fdr,

and fdr and his admired them in turn.


34 posted on 07/12/2008 12:52:36 PM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: Ron Jeremy
Well that is why I asked... How can you label the man a fascist.... certainly he was not a fascist in the sense of Hitler, Mussolini, or Tojo.... and in all my years of studying history I have never seen him referred to as a fascist.

Were his ways different then the Conservative ideals we hold now??? most certainly... but do the acts that he did as president really constitute the title fascist???

Folks forget the mindset of the time when he was president is much different then now...

I just think it rather flippant and misguide to call him a fascist.

35 posted on 07/12/2008 12:54:37 PM PDT by Americanwolf (Don't Think a cop will help? Try calling a crack head next time......!! Thanks Thorin!)
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To: Americanwolf
I just think it rather flippant and misguide to call him a fascist.

When I say fascist, I mean in the true theoretical and economic sense. Not in the "dictator who was on the other side of us in a war" sense. So yes, I maintain he is a fascist.

36 posted on 07/12/2008 12:55:56 PM PDT by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: ken21
Goldberg’s book may be a good read, but he seems to be selectively quoting Teddy Roosevelt. Here is the full quote:

“The man who wrongly holds that every human right is secondary to his profit must now give way to the advocate of human welfare, who rightly maintains that every man holds his property subject to the general right of the community to regulate its use to whatever degree the public welfare may require it.” Speech, Osawatomie, Kan., 31 Aug 1910

Here is another quote:
“My position as regards to monied interests can be put in a few words. In every civilized society property rights must be carefully safeguarded; ordinarily and in the great majority of cases, human rights and property rights are fundamentally and in the long run, identical; but when it clearly appears that there is a real conflict between them, human rights must have the upper hand; for property belongs to man and not man to property. – Teddy Roosevelt Address at the Sorbonne, Paris, 23 Apr. 1910.

More quotes here

37 posted on 07/12/2008 12:56:14 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: flyfree

We are cruisin for a bruisin...

Bring back DUNCAN HUNTER.


38 posted on 07/12/2008 12:56:41 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (Don't blame me.....I support DUNCAN HUNTER.)
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To: flyfree

If you want to fix something, retrace your steps to where it first went wrong. Logic will point out your mistake. Do not take that path again. Seems we can never get that.

Works every time it is tried.


39 posted on 07/12/2008 12:56:44 PM PDT by dforest (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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To: flyfree
Clinton said she identified with FDR

That sociopathic beeotch was reportedly trying to channel Eleanor Roosevelt, lol
40 posted on 07/12/2008 12:56:47 PM PDT by mkjessup
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