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1 posted on 07/12/2008 12:24:50 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: flyfree

theodore roosevelt was a progressive, i.e. liberal socialist.


2 posted on 07/12/2008 12:25:44 PM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: flyfree

Less TR and more Calvin Coolidge, please.


3 posted on 07/12/2008 12:26:58 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: flyfree

Another reason I won’t vote for McCain. TR was a fascist, in the true sense. Read Jonah Goldbergs’ book “Liberal Fascism”.


10 posted on 07/12/2008 12:34:44 PM PDT by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: flyfree

Well better Teddy than Franklin.


12 posted on 07/12/2008 12:36:41 PM PDT by mkjessup
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To: flyfree
Whew what a relief. I was afraid it was Eleanor.
15 posted on 07/12/2008 12:38:18 PM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: flyfree

Another reason to draft Gov Palin.


24 posted on 07/12/2008 12:43:39 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican. McCain is the Conservatives true litmus test)
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To: flyfree
Does he think comparing himself to TR matters diddley squat when his opponent is the freakin’ messiah? This old fool so soooo clueless.
27 posted on 07/12/2008 12:46:17 PM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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31 posted on 07/12/2008 12:48:16 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Off balance sheet liabilities...they're not just for Enron anymore!)
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To: flyfree

We are cruisin for a bruisin...

Bring back DUNCAN HUNTER.


38 posted on 07/12/2008 12:56:41 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (Don't blame me.....I support DUNCAN HUNTER.)
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To: flyfree

If you want to fix something, retrace your steps to where it first went wrong. Logic will point out your mistake. Do not take that path again. Seems we can never get that.

Works every time it is tried.


39 posted on 07/12/2008 12:56:44 PM PDT by dforest (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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To: flyfree
Great. McCain models himself after the "Republican" who gave us the 16th and 17th Amendments.

And that's better than Karl Marx how?

49 posted on 07/12/2008 1:17:40 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: flyfree

Well, he could do worse...

Teddy Roosevelt as a model is not bad and it’s certainly far superior to Stalin, Lenin, Castro, and Chavez, who are Obama’s role models.

Also — here is the transcript of McCain’s inteview with the NY Times, but they state that the questions are paraphrased in the transcript. Why don’t they want to show us the ACTUAL questions that they asked McCain, so we know exactly what he was responding to — but what else can we expect from the NYT? The NYT’s purpose is to try to make McCain look bad and trip him up, just read the questions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/13/us/politics/13text-mccain.html?pagewanted=all


68 posted on 07/12/2008 2:20:08 PM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: flyfree

TR is my favorite President. If McCain comes anywhere close, kudos. Glad he chose this man of enormous integrity, courage, vigor and vision as his inspiration.


69 posted on 07/12/2008 2:26:00 PM PDT by karnage
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To: flyfree
Being Obama Lite won't work. Has John McCain figured out yet why an echo is not going to attract the moderates and independents? More Big Government is not the answer to America's problems.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

74 posted on 07/12/2008 3:03:01 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: flyfree

““I count myself as a conservative Republican, yet I view it to a large degree in the Theodore Roosevelt mold,” Mr. McCain said,”

BS. McCain is the opposite of Teddy when it comes to sovereignty.

“When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer “Present” or “Not guilty.” - Theodore Roosevelt

“The Roman Republic fell, not because of the ambition of Caesar or Augustus, but because it had already long ceased to be in any real sense a republic at all. When the sturdy Roman plebeian, who lived by his own labor, who voted without reward according to his own convictions, and who with his fellows formed in war the terrible Roman legion, had been changed into an idle creature who craved nothing in life save the gratification of a thirst for vapid excitement, who was fed by the state, and who directly or indirectly sold his vote to the highest bidder, then the end of the republic was at hand, and nothing could save it. The laws were the same as they had been, but the people behind the laws had changed, and so the laws counted for nothing.” - Teddy Roosevelt

“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag. . We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

“The foreign-born population of this country must be an Americanized population - no other kind can fight the battles of America either in war or peace. It must talk the language of its native-born fellow-citizens, it must possess American citizenship and American ideals. It must stand firm by its oath of allegiance in word and deed and must show that in very fact it has renounced allegiance to every prince, potentate, or foreign government. It must be maintained on an American standard of living so as to prevent labor disturbances in important plants and at critical times. None of these objects can be secured as long as we have immigrant colonies, ghettos, and immigrant sections, and above all they cannot be assured so long as we consider the immigrant only as an industrial asset. The immigrant must not be allowed to drift or to be put at the mercy of the exploiter. Our object is to not to imitate one of the older racial types, but to maintain a new American type and then to secure loyalty to this type. We cannot secure such loyalty unless we make this a country where men shall feel that they have justice and also where they shall feel that they are required to perform the duties imposed upon them. The policy of “Let alone” which we have hitherto pursued is thoroughly vicious from two stand-points. By this policy we have permitted the immigrants, and too often the native-born laborers as well, to suffer injustice. Moreover, by this policy we have failed to impress upon the immigrant and upon the native-born as well that they are expected to do justice as well as to receive justice, that they are expected to be heartily and actively and single-mindedly loyal to the flag no less than to benefit by living under it.

We cannot afford to continue to use hundreds of thousands of immigrants merely as industrial assets while they remain social outcasts and menaces any more than fifty years ago we could afford to keep the black man merely as an industrial asset and not as a human being.” Teddy Roosevelt


75 posted on 07/12/2008 3:10:29 PM PDT by AuntB (Vote Obama! ..........Because ya can't blame 'the man' when you are the 'man'.... Wanda Sikes)
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To: flyfree

One thing about McCain: very little pandering. If you like something he says he’s going to do, he’ll probably do it (or try). If you don’t like something he says he’s going to do, you know what to gear up to fight on...


76 posted on 07/12/2008 3:22:28 PM PDT by piytar
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To: flyfree

Just read a pretty good article:

In a recent interview, John McCain has stated that he fits in the “Theodore Roosevelt mold”. The Republican nominee has stated many times before that Teddy was a role model for him. That explains much.

Senator John McCain in a wide-ranging interview called for a government that is frugal but more active than many conservatives might prefer. He said government should play an important role in areas like addressing climate change, regulating campaign finance and taking care of “those in America who cannot take care of themselves.”

“I count myself as a conservative Republican, yet I view it to a large degree in the Theodore Roosevelt mold,” Mr. McCain said, referring to Roosevelt’s reputation for reform, environmentalism and tough foreign policy.

This explains much, because, dare I say, Teddy is another of history’s great losers. Though, like many unworthy presidents, Theodore Roosevelt gets a lot of positive indoctrination in public schools. The truth is, Roosevelt is one of many politicians in the early 20th century, that turned things into crap. Part of the so-called “Progressive Era”.

Like a good statist, he advocated and prepared for an unnecessary war with Spain in 1898. Similar to McCain, he came back a “war hero”. McKinley was assassinated, and Roosevelt became president in 1901, and from there, the United States saw a sharp increase in the amount of state intervention in the economy, which would only be continued into the next administration.

Roosevelt distrusted “big business” and became famous for his “trust busting”. His square deal (note to readers: any and all deals from a Roosevelt are horrible) called for regulation of railroad rates, among other things. He also was the first U.S. president to call for national health insurance (so shouldn’t McCain like Obama then?):

The U.S. has flirted with some kind of national health policy six times over the past 100 years, only to see the reform impulse wither each time. For instance, a key plank in Theodore Roosevelt’s losing Presidential campaign of 1912 was national health insurance.

Teddy also attacked big business, and suggested that courts were biased against labor unions. As the 1912 election approached, he broke with his friend William Howard Taft (incumbent president), and ran as a Progressive, after Taft won the Republican nomination. Enough votes were pulled away for Democrat Woodrow Wilson to win (the #1 loser in American history). Then we got World War I, more government intervention in the economy, the fed, and a failed attempt to join the League of Nations.

Among his other socialist achievements, Roosevelt was responsible for the passage of the Hepburn Act (railway rate regulation), the Meat Inspection Act, and a number of anti-trust laws. Like McCain, Roosevelt took on the environment as a major issue, being a big proponent of the conservation movement.

In foreign policy, Roosevelt was a massive interventionist:

Roosevelt also added the Roosevelt Corollary to the Monroe Doctrine, which stated that the United States and only the United States could intervene in Latin American affairs when corruption of governments made it necessary. Roosevelt’s foreign policy is often referred to as the “Big Stick” policy which was mainly in respect to Roosevelt’s ideas of negotiation.

Of course, only America can police everyone else. It also seems that the statists all like to stick together and call themselves the “heir” to the previous ones:

Roosevelt, who considered Lincoln the savior of the Union and the greatest Republican President and who also considered himself Lincoln’s political heir, ordered the new Lincoln Penny to be based on Brenner’s work and that it be ready just in time to commemorate Lincoln’s 100th birthday in 1909.

It is no mystery that Teddy loved “Unconstitutional Abe” — who called for a Draft (the ultimate gesture of showing that the state owns you), arrested opposition, and limited free speech.

So let’s recap, McCain loves Roosevelt, who:
-Supported environmentalism, relying on government to deal with the problems.
-Anti big business rhetoric (much like today’s liberals and the evil “big oil” and “big pharm”)
-Believed in massive government intervention in the economy.
-Policeman of the world foreign policy, where America is the only policeman (of course).

http://politicalinquirer.com/2008/07/12/teddy-roosevelt-a-poor-role-model/


90 posted on 07/12/2008 9:36:13 PM PDT by jriacn
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To: flyfree
“I count myself as a conservative Republican, yet I view it to a large degree in the Theodore Roosevelt mold,” Mr. McCain said...

LOL!!!

McCain may be a lot of things, but a Teddy Roosevelt he ain't!

98 posted on 07/13/2008 12:36:32 PM PDT by fwdude (If marriage can mean anything, then marriage means nothing.)
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