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U.S. rescues Fannie, Freddie
marketwatch.com ^ | 7/13/08

Posted on 07/13/2008 3:31:33 PM PDT by Sleeping Freeper

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To: Sleeping Freeper

The Dow futures just hit 100. It looks like a market rally tomorrow. Who here is jumping in? (excluding the day traders). Not I....can you say “Dead cat bounce?”


81 posted on 07/13/2008 7:05:41 PM PDT by politicket
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To: Sleeping Freeper

Mortgage business federalized? If the Federal Government owns shares....

I just don’t like where all of this is going. And with Obama as the next POTUS/Socialist Dictator of the USA...


82 posted on 07/13/2008 7:07:09 PM PDT by TheBattman (Vote your conscience, or don't complain about RINOs!)
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To: Gondring
The people who think they are so responsible, would be in a soup line without others taking great risks to reorganize the world more rationally. Sometimes the succeed, and sometimes they fail. The clueless ungrateful "responsible" sort pocket their positive externalities and consider them their own doing. And moan and moan the rest of the time. They are clueless fools who have no idea how capitalism works, that's all.
83 posted on 07/13/2008 7:07:16 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: John123
Some big player(s) with an interest in keeping inflation fears in check has been doing their best to stick it to the Gold markets just when you'd most expect Gold to go up.
84 posted on 07/13/2008 7:07:46 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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To: RockinRight
Xactly.
85 posted on 07/13/2008 7:08:15 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: charles m
Bailing out Fannie and Freddie isn't a mistake.

Not doing it would land us in the second great depression in a fortnight.

We may well get there anyway. GM and Ford are next, for instance...

86 posted on 07/13/2008 7:09:31 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: ThePythonicCow
Sure right, that is why they cleverly held oil at $99 a barr... no wait. I detect a flaw...
87 posted on 07/13/2008 7:10:33 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: politicket
I went long the DOW last week; I'm expecting another week or three bounce, before I go neutral again, then short when it goes down, harder next time. All expectations subject to change on a days notice.
88 posted on 07/13/2008 7:10:45 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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To: JasonC
Their pockets are deep, but not that deep. And gold is a less transparent, easier market to manipulate for a few key central banks than is oil or the other major commodities.
89 posted on 07/13/2008 7:12:51 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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To: kc8ukw
The Federal Reserve is an unconstitutional entity that is the manipulator of the currency and the banking system.

This from Wikipedia:

The Federal Reserve System (also the Federal Reserve; informally The Fed) is the central banking system of the United States. Created in 1913 by the enactment of the Federal Reserve Act, it is a quasi-public (government entity with private components) banking system[1] composed of (1) the presidentially appointed Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System in Washington, D.C.; (2) the Federal Open Market Committee; (3) 12 regional Federal Reserve Banks located in major cities throughout the nation acting as fiscal agents for the U.S. Treasury, each with its own nine-member board of directors; (4) numerous private U.S. member banks, which subscribe to required amounts of non-transferable stock in their regional Federal Reserve Banks; and (5) various advisory councils. As of 2008, Ben Bernanke serves as the Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System.

90 posted on 07/13/2008 7:13:00 PM PDT by TheBattman (Vote your conscience, or don't complain about RINOs!)
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To: Raycpa
"Audits are done by public accountants who are certified to perform them. What other audit do you propose?"

...One that would show why they need to be bailed out today, unlike the last audit.

91 posted on 07/13/2008 7:14:04 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: ThePythonicCow
I'm expecting another week or three bounce

Be very careful my FRiend. The charts are showing a pretty steady downward trend for the next while, even though the futures are up.
92 posted on 07/13/2008 7:15:52 PM PDT by politicket
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To: JasonC
Since all its profits every year go to the US treasury

How, exactly, could any company make a "profit" loaning money at 1%, while also dishing out truckloads of cash to bail out and shore up every other company?

93 posted on 07/13/2008 7:16:51 PM PDT by TheBattman (Vote your conscience, or don't complain about RINOs!)
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To: MichiganConservative
How many of them are there, really? Maybe it is time for secession. Arm yourself.

Outside the major cities there's more than you think. I live in the heart of Fred Thompson country. During the primaries I saw Paul yard signs and little else. Either way this election goes things are fixing to get worse. It may approach Great Depression levels. One things for sure it will likely make the recession of 1982 look very tame and I remember that one real well along with the 1970's oil crisis.

94 posted on 07/13/2008 7:18:58 PM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: RockinRight
I can tell ya one thing...if the GOP were smart, they’d publicly expose the Democrats responsible.

Do you really think the GOP's hands are clean, and only DemocRATs are responsible?

95 posted on 07/13/2008 7:21:24 PM PDT by TheBattman (Vote your conscience, or don't complain about RINOs!)
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To: TheBattman

Not at all - but it would be good politics.

And there’s definitely a STRONG Clintonista connection.


96 posted on 07/13/2008 7:23:18 PM PDT by RockinRight (I just paid $63 for gas. An icefield in Alaska is NOT the Grand Canyon. F--- the caribou.)
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To: Sleeping Freeper
Futures shot UP on the news. It baffles me.

Equity traders rode the short bus, watch the bonds, they don't like it, interest rates going up with bailout. If Paulson and Bernanke continue with their follies the US is in deep doo doo. The only thing they are doing is delaying the inevitable and making it much worse when it comes. The dollar will be demolished.

I guess when things get bad enough regular folks will figure out we still have the best government money can buy and they will do something about it. The Federal Reserve and Congress got us in this mess and they are only looking out for themselves not us. Right now Paulson and Bernankle are telling the commoners to "eat cake". I am disgusted with our supposed "leadership" they are either incompetent, stupid or corrupt and I'm leaving towards all three.

Frank and Dodds haven't done crap for five years other than collect contributions from banks and get us into this mess, why are they still being listened too?

97 posted on 07/13/2008 7:45:51 PM PDT by rolling_stone (same)
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To: JasonC

It would have been better to let all the Mae’s and Mac’s collapse under their own weight. Instead we are going to double down billions propping up a quasi-socialist program and trying to fight the natural business cycle.

And where will this money come from? It’ll be borrowed from all the unsavory countries in the world the US is trying to step up to - Russia, China, and the Arabs.

Let Fannie and Freddie fall in their own right. It’s a free market right? Maybe Fannie & Freddie should’ve saved some of their gangbuster profits over the past few years for a rainy day.


98 posted on 07/13/2008 7:49:15 PM PDT by too_cool_for_skool
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To: politicket

Bears like me love gap and crap openings. It’s when the futures are down 100 that I get worried. Sunday night futures are thin and subject to manipulation during the most benign of times. This being option expirations week means it’s going to be volatile anyway. P.S., loved your frank comments the other night on the state of he nation.


99 posted on 07/13/2008 8:01:25 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: politicket
Oh yeah ... for sure.

My basic strategy is to play with about 10% of my money, while being conservative as heck with the rest of it.

There have been, and will continue to be, some major shifts, over the months and years, in where one should be invested. If you're going to come out of this decade with anything left, you'll have to make some -major- shifts now and then. But you won't have the courage to do that unless you've been staying engaged, long term and short, willing to be a bit bold at times.

So I keep one foot in the shark infested waters, even though now and then I lose a toe or two, just so when the time comes to abandon ship, I'll be ready.

100 posted on 07/13/2008 8:07:52 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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