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Understanding of Dark Pools is Elusive, Reports Traders Magazine Survey
Traders Magazine ^ | 06/17/08 | Nina Mehta

Posted on 07/13/2008 10:12:20 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Understanding of Dark Pools is Elusive, Reports Traders Magazine Survey

June 17, 2008

By Nina Mehta

The dark pool landscape is changing so rapidly that a large portion of buyside traders can't keep up with some of the developments.

According to a Traders Magazine electronic survey, 38 percent of buyside traders said they were not aware that some dark pools send out or receive information about resident orders. Nor were they aware that some dark pools send and receive electronic immediate-or-cancel orders from other venues.

Dark pools are now stepping up efforts to cater to different buyside constituencies through their liquidity-seeking efforts. Buyside traders are grappling with what these changes mean for their executions. Forty-two percent of survey respondents said they did not know whether they were sufficiently informed about what some dark pools did with their flow. Another 13 percent admitted they did not know what various pools did with their flow, and 14 percent said they did not want or need to be involved in those decisions.

In comparison, 22 percent said they were sufficiently informed about what dark pools do with their resting orders. And 9 percent said they actively controlled what happened with their order information in dark pools.

Overall, the buyside isn't opposed to alternative trading systems sending out indications to find contra-side orders. But the range of responses from the buyside community highlights the differing priorities of institutions as well as their uncertain knowledge about how dark pools connect to one another.

(Excerpt) Read more at tradersmagazine.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: complexity; darkpool; economy; market; trading; uncertainty

1 posted on 07/13/2008 10:12:21 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; Uncle Ike; RSmithOpt; jiggyboy; 2banana; Travis McGee; OwenKellogg; 31R1O; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 07/13/2008 10:12:50 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Now let me get this straight...


3 posted on 07/13/2008 10:14:38 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: TigerLikesRooster

That’s illuminating!


4 posted on 07/13/2008 10:16:33 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

i can has chezeebugr nao?


5 posted on 07/13/2008 10:22:07 PM PDT by Danae (Remember: Obama = Pull out from Iraq. PLAN on voting, or accept responsibility for the consequences.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Asked what best reflects their response if a dark pool is able to send out indications based on order flow that resides in that pool, 41 percent said "I will use that pool cautiously under specific circumstances."

Uh, yeah. What he said.

6 posted on 07/13/2008 10:22:11 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: TigerLikesRooster

What the heck is a “dark pool” and why should I care?


7 posted on 07/13/2008 10:22:44 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: hsalaw
It is the venue where big boys do their trading away from public. It raises further uncertainty in the market.
8 posted on 07/13/2008 10:33:27 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Thank you for the helpful info.


9 posted on 07/13/2008 10:38:05 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: TigerLikesRooster
It sounds a lot more complicated than it should. The dark pools are simply networks that allow large traders to keep their activity out of the public eye. Hence others cannot watch what is taking place and respond. Kind of like a few people using the private back room of a restaurant to do business. We know it goes on but just what “it” is is unclear or dark.
If anyone has a better explanation I'd appreciate their input.
10 posted on 07/13/2008 10:40:16 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I get the concept, but the details just make me think of a bunny and a pancake...


11 posted on 07/13/2008 10:41:17 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (If you don't vote, you don't matter.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I can see how it would distort the market. But one thing immediately is clear from the article is that even the participants don’t know what is swimming around in the pools and in some cases don’t care to know so long as “liquidity” is available.


12 posted on 07/13/2008 10:53:20 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

“Dark pools?”

Racism!


13 posted on 07/13/2008 11:42:39 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: count-your-change; All
Actually it keeps larger orders from "distorting the market".

A stock can only handle so much volume per minute. If you try to buy or sell too much more than what's typical for that stock, it will cause the price to swing up or down rapidly on a temporary basis because of a lack of liquidity. The "Dark pool" idea is that if you have a bunch of people with larger that average volume to trade they can check with each other first to see if someone can absorb a large quantity. If you're a seller you want a buyer, and vice versa. The dark pool brings them together without hurting the smaller players.

Back in the day, the same thing was done by what was called the "block desks" of the big investment banks. This is just an automated version of them.

14 posted on 07/14/2008 2:45:59 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE - http://freenj.blogspot.com - RadioFree NJ)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Thanks for the ping.


15 posted on 07/14/2008 8:47:22 AM PDT by GOPJ (When your ideology makes no sense it costs more to sell. Freeper ArmstedFragg)
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To: count-your-change
Are you talking about large hedge funds? The group we're going to have to bail out next? They damn well better be out there if they expect a dime from the taxpayers.

Most of us are getting tired of bailing out reckless multimillionaires.

16 posted on 07/14/2008 8:50:18 AM PDT by GOPJ (When your ideology makes no sense it costs more to sell. Freeper ArmstedFragg)
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To: GOPJ

Who knows who the traders are? That’s why they’re called “dark”.
Indeed you may be tired of bailing out reckless multimillionaires but remember that money looks after money. The actors change, but the play goes on.
Savings and Loan, Fannie and Freddie, it goes on and on, and there’s no evidence that I can see that it will not increase as the precedent has been set.


17 posted on 07/14/2008 11:04:57 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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