Notice the large hole in approximately the center of the plane? THat sits right over the CFT.
Also, reports of shrapnel holes in the back of seats directly over the CFT found here.... http://users.erols.com/igoddard/TWA800/03.htm
Posted on 07/18/2008 5:32:26 AM PDT by Sioux-san
I dedicated my book, What’s The Matter With California, to a retired United Airline pilot named Ray Lahr, “a true Californian and patriot”—and with good reason.
Today, the tireless World War II vet and his intrepid attorney, John Clarke, are all that stand in the way of the successful execution of the single most astonishing cover-up in American peacetime history.
What makes this whole event so astonishing is that TWA Flight 800 went down with 230 good souls on board in full view of literally hundreds of eyewitnesses on Long Island’s affluent south shore.
Even more astonishing, although 270 of those eyewitnesses—pilots, fishermen, surfers, military people—gave the FBI detailed accounts, many with illustrations, of a likely missile attack on the aircraft, the New York Times interviewed not a one of them.
(Excerpt) Read more at cashill.com ...
Golly gee whiz, I’ve gone and upset the pair of you. I’m just going to have to learn to live with your disapproval. A struggle, I know, but I suppose I’ll get along.
...but as to the fact that Clinton got revenge??
Nope, the celebrant at the funeral mass made it a point to praise the cardinal on his stand on life issues.
The audience in mass, stood up and gave over a minute ovation (actually unheard of during funeral). The Clintons remained in their seats for quite a long time until they were shamed into standing.
I should explain: I don't know if there was explosive residue found/covered up/discovered by sniffer dog which was later murdered by Bill Clinton - or not.
I don't know if the plane actually suffered an explosion in the fuel-tank area, or if it folded up like an accordion after losing both wings.
I'm just challenging this "heat-seekers must hit the engine" idea, which I believe to be a chimera.
In a missile like that, it'll go where the onboard guidance system takes it. The Stinger and other portable SAMs use infrared guidance that will aim for the hottest part of the target. In aircraft that part is the engine exhaust. Before launching the missile, the person firing it would have located the target, waited till the seeker locked on, and then fired. The missile would have guided itself from there.
I would ask you to keep an open mind during this discussion. None of us here are experts in this niche area as far as I know.
I am more than happy to keep an open mind. But if something doesn't make sense then I'm going to ask about it.
TWA 800=600
But to me at least it makes sense that it would. From miles away, the engines are the biggest heat source the airplane was putting out. That's what the missile seeker would have locked on to and tracked to. And I suggest the lack of any evidence of an explosion, either on the engine or outside the center fuel tank, also is an indication that a missile wasn't the cause.
I think that TWA-800 and the OKC bombing are terrorist related as well...from what I’ve read and remember there’s too many things that got sweeped away to believe the official storyline.
There are alot of older threads here on FR concerning both of these incidents...as well as ‘First Strike’ and ‘The Third Terrorist’ written bt Cashill and davis respectively.
U.S. to require fuel tank safety system on jetliners
"I recognize that this is challenging for commercial aviation," Transportation Secretary Mary Peters said in a statement that detailed the government's initiative that grew out of the destruction of TWA Flight 800 12 years ago.
To be perfectly honest, I can't think of any situation where that is true. I remember when the American Airlines DC-10 crashed on take-off out of O'Hare. The first thing authorities did was lock down the crash sight and allow no unauthorized people into the area. The reason, of course, is that evidence pointing to the cause of the crash might be lost or compromised. And once locked down, only the FAA was allowed in. And I think the same is true of any crash site. In the case of TWA 800, the crash site was under water so it's only logical that the Navy and Coast Guard would have been brought in. As for independent investigators, I don't think they're ever used. At least I'm not aware of any other crash where they were. Certainly not for years prior to TWA 800.
A one-tonne car or truck subjected to that kind of thrust from a 100ft away will have some of its panels stripped off - and it will tumble helplessly away.
A missile has a much smaller cross-section, is aerodynamic and is moving at great speed toward the engine. But it will get much closer than 100 ft. You and I couldn't be sure it wouldn't lose a control surface, and we certainly couldn't be sure it wouldn't get magnus-forced into striking wide.
Missile designers test their missiles on drones. I imagine they don't test-fire them at commercial passenger engines. And that they don't fire them at multiple commercial passenger engines spaced some distance apart, which would be a good test. So we can't test my supposition. But I would be amazed if an AA missile could ignore the colossal back-wash.
Sincerely hope this is helpful.
You are a ignoring the facts. When the Twin Towers were attacked in 1993 The Clinton Administration treated the attack as a police/judicial action. For the rest of his term history shows that terroist attacks were ignored.
You might want to read your history.
I have. I'm just not blessed with your imaginative interpretation.
Among the dozens of witness statements, a pattern emerged that could be plotted, roughly. It looks like 2 missles were fired, one from very close in-shore, and one from 3-5 miles further out.
If a missle is fired but it is pointing toward you, instead of away from you, it is MUCH harder to see the hot exhaut at the tip of the nozzle.
The plane was at the edge of the Stinger envelope. The stinger has a range of 8 kilometers with a ceiling of 10,000 ft (per GlobalSecurity.org).
TWA800 was at appr. 13,500 when it was hit.
Looking up at the bottom of a 747, the center fuel tanks sits very closely to the A/C units. In fact, it was this A/C unit that supposedly overheated the CFT vapors.
If a missle is looking at a blob of heat, then they seperate into 4 distinct heat sources (5 if you count the A/C) I can see the heat seeker locking on to the A/C heat source.
Also, if the Stinger was at the edge of it’s range, it may have lost maneuverability and simply missed the engine and hit near the CFT.
Flight plans and paths are public information. IF the terrorist had a watch and a pair of binoculars, they would have easily been able to pick out a 747. But at that time of night, livery colors would be almost impossible to pick out.
They look at their watch, calculate the time and shoot at what they THOUGHT was the El-Al flight. Instead they hit TWA800.
Notice the large hole in approximately the center of the plane? THat sits right over the CFT.
Also, reports of shrapnel holes in the back of seats directly over the CFT found here.... http://users.erols.com/igoddard/TWA800/03.htm
The website at the link you provided hypothesized an explosing in close proximity to the aircraft, apparently above it based on the drawing. Yet you point to a large hole in the side of the aircraft. Assuming that was from a missile strike, how could a missile with an infrared homing system approaching from below miss all four engines and hit the plane broadside?
So far as I know not a single witness said they saw two distinct missile paths. How could they all have missed that?
If a missle is looking at a blob of heat, then they seperate into 4 distinct heat sources (5 if you count the A/C) I can see the heat seeker locking on to the A/C heat source.
The missile seeker will lock on before the missile is fired. From that range, the hottest target would have been one of the engines.
They look at their watch, calculate the time and shoot at what they THOUGHT was the El-Al flight. Instead they hit TWA800.
Any terrorist who based their plan of an airplane leaving JFK on time has obviously never flown into or out of New York.
That question has been answered multiple times in this thread.
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