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BBC: Plane hole 'not due to corrosion' (says Qantas boss Geoff Dixon )
BBC ^ | Saturday, 26 July 2008 11:04 UK 10:04 GMT, | BBC Staff

Posted on 07/26/2008 1:30:02 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Plane hole 'not due to corrosion'

Staff inspect damage under the aircraft
Engineers have begun inspecting the damaged plane in Manila


Qantas boss Geoff Dixon has denied corrosion caused a hole in the body of the plane that was forced to make an emergency landing in Manila.

Safety engineers have begun examining the plane to establish the cause.

More than 360 people were on board the flight when it was forced to land. They have since arrived back in Australia.

Possible causes include corrosion or accidental external damage but Mr Dixon said preliminary checks showed corrosion was not the problem.

The Qantas chief executive said he was "horrified" after seeing pictures of the hole.

"Our preliminary checks on this indicate there was no corrosion anywhere near where this hole occurred in the aircraft," he told ABC news in Australia.

"We really can't speculate on how this happened or causes, but certainly there's going to be a very thorough investigation."

The passengers, en route to Melbourne, described hearing a loud bang mid-flight, which was followed by a rapid decompression of the cabin.

'Fingers crossed'

In an online planespotters' forum in February, participants referred to the detection of "serious corrosion issues" in the 17-year-old Boeing 747-438 Longreach during a maintenance check at Avalon airport in March.

Aviation experts say corrosion could have been enough to have caused the 2.5-3m hole in the fuselage - if even a small section of the plane's aluminium skin was able to break free, the enormous pressures generated at cruising altitude could have done the rest.

WHY QF30 DESCENDED 20,000FT

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Planes are pressurised as cruising altitudes are freezing and lack sufficient oxygen to breathe

Hole causes decompression, rapidly reducing air pressure and risking exposure

Oxygen masks are deployed and pilot makes emergency descent to breathable altitude


Other possible causes might include accidental external damage to the plane on the ground, or something inside the plane which had not been properly secured and slammed into the fuselage at some point. Investigators will want to rule out the presence of any explosives.

A Qantas spokeswoman has confirmed that the plane did go through maintenance checks at the facility mentioned on the forum, but that "nothing out of the ordinary was detected during the checks".

"The most recent maintenance check on this aircraft were for a 'D' [most thorough] check in Qantas's Sydney facility in 2004 and two 'C' [regular] checks in Qantas's facility in 2006 and 2008," she said.

Investigators, including four officers from the Australian Transport Safety Bureau, would also closely examine the maintenance regime of the aircraft, which was registered in 1991, Qantas said.

They would also focus on what happened at Hong Kong's Chek Lap Kok airport before the flight departed, it added.

A similar Qantas 747-438 Longreach flew Benedict XVI to Rome last week following his historic visit to Australia.

'Lot of emotion'

Passengers described hearing a large bang and feeling a rush of wind and debris through the cabin about an hour after Flight QF30 left Hong Kong at 0900 local time (0100 GMT) on Friday.

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The Australian Transport Safety Bureau said the aircraft made an emergency descent from 29,000ft to 10,000ft before stabilising. It said initial information indicated that a section of the fuselage had separated in the area of the forward cargo compartment.

Passenger Olivia Lucas told the BBC everyone was "pretty scared for a few moments".

"Then everyone focused on getting their oxygen masks on," she said.

Phill Restall, from the UK, said the pilot then told passengers that they were going to land in Manila to have a look at the damage.

"Everyone was fairly calm, partly because they didn't realise the extent of it," he said.

"After we disembarked it started to dawn on people that this was a major incident. There were 350 people up there who were very lucky.

"Seeing the hole caused a lot of emotion. People were physically shaking. Many realised how close they were to their own mortality."

Dr David Newman, of Flight Medicine Systems, said forcing the plane into a rapid descent after a sudden loss of pressure was a standard emergency procedure.


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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; airlines; airlinesecurity; qantas
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1 posted on 07/26/2008 1:30:03 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Ya think?


2 posted on 07/26/2008 1:32:45 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’d be really pissed if I was on that plane and they lost my luggage. Also, nothing is perfect, stuff breaks.


3 posted on 07/26/2008 1:33:08 PM PDT by Liberty 275 (Do. Not. Want. Barack. Obama.)
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To: null and void; RadioCirca1970; RightWhale; Bahbah; kms61; nw_arizona_granny

fyi


4 posted on 07/26/2008 1:35:44 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
A former head of the NTSB was on the tube last night and said that any aircraft that's used on over-the-water routes (as this one was) is very susceptible to corrosion and must be checked carefully...and often.
5 posted on 07/26/2008 1:37:23 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obama:"Ich bein ein beginner")
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To: All
Dr David Newman, of Flight Medicine Systems, said forcing the plane into a rapid descent after a sudden loss of pressure was a standard emergency procedure.


Finally, an expert not being an alarmist...:^)

6 posted on 07/26/2008 1:39:50 PM PDT by az_gila (AZ - need less democrats)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I normally chuckle at aviation experts due to my background, but someone got it right...I guess even blind squirrels can find the occasional nut...


7 posted on 07/26/2008 1:45:13 PM PDT by stefanbatory
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Our preliminary checks on this indicate there was no corrosion anywhere near where this hole occurred in the aircraft," he told ABC news in Australia.

What about the large piece of skin that is in the middle of the ocean. Any chance that has the corrosion evidence?

8 posted on 07/26/2008 1:48:10 PM PDT by 386wt (Be free and don't die!)
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To: az_gila
Yeah. Yesterday's article had it plunging 20,000 ft.

I hope the pilot makes an announcement that it is a controlled descent into thicker air or something to that effect before all the passengers wet themselves.

Not that I would, of course...

9 posted on 07/26/2008 1:48:41 PM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: null and void

Exactly.

It’s the pilot’s job to get the aircraft to a breathable atmosphere in a depressurized state. Thus, about 9000’ ASL — the 20,000’ “plunge”.

I guess the well-informed and curious reporter would have preferred the passengers endure a normal descent ... and the hypoxia and cold air.

One reason the ‘experts’ might be able to rule out corrosion so quickly is that the part in question just might be fibreglass. I’ve yet to see fibreglass “corrode” on an aircraft even those used on over-water routes. Crack and fail yes. But NOT corrode. (harrumph)

The writer of this article is to me a sensationalist and definitely NOT an aircraft ‘expert’. To have relied on plane spotter forums for reports of corrosion is laughable.

When sane minds prevail, I bet the discussion will record that the flight did escape real danger by not ingesting said loose part into the right inboard engine.

I personally doubt the plane suffered ANY loss of structural integrity— it lost part of its skin, not skeleton.


10 posted on 07/26/2008 2:03:24 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: 386wt

No, when you get a failure, it “grows” from the failure point along the lines of most stress and highest weakness. IF corrosion was the problem, there would be fairly obvious signs of it, as well as relatively simple clues to where the structural failure began. . .


11 posted on 07/26/2008 2:09:10 PM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Was this an event that happened in the luggage compartment?


12 posted on 07/26/2008 2:16:27 PM PDT by jonrick46
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

What I am eager to learn is how Global Warming caused this serious malfunction.


13 posted on 07/26/2008 2:18:17 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Salgak

Had this been a US carrier the lawsuits for emotional distress would have already been filed.


14 posted on 07/26/2008 2:18:34 PM PDT by xDGx
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

They don’t even want to consider the “T” word , do they?


15 posted on 07/26/2008 2:19:52 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: jonrick46
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau said the aircraft made an emergency descent from 29,000ft to 10,000ft before stabilising. It said initial information indicated that a section of the fuselage had separated in the area of the forward cargo compartment.

Guess so.

16 posted on 07/26/2008 2:27:59 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It was a plane fart, that’s all.


17 posted on 07/26/2008 2:51:12 PM PDT by papasmurf (This space left blank intentionly.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

A plane I was on late last night got smacked hard by someone on the ground crew driving the loading ramp into it. I was getting off the plane, but if I had been flying on that aircraft this morning, I would hope it had been inspected thoroughly. Small cracks can lead to whole panels departing the aircraft prematurely.


18 posted on 07/26/2008 3:16:24 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I am not familiar with that particular airframe. But with a 17 year commercial a/c it could have some fatigue in that area of the skin, where the rivets join to the spars. Also in that area of the a/c skin there is some hardened stress points, that might not have been closely observed thru the use of n.d.i. inspection equipment. One way to make sure is to closely inspect same model and year, of same type a/c and look with n.d.i. non destructive inspection equipment, like x ray, or using i.r. infra red photography. You would think thru a Class C or D phased inspection, they would have located any type of stress cracks if in the past, that was a known area for stress fractures.


19 posted on 07/26/2008 3:24:16 PM PDT by ibtheman
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To: CindyDawg
They don’t even want to consider the “T” word , do they?

It's probably a bad sign. Usually they make an immediate announcement that terrorism has nothing to do with the potential terrorist incident. Here I've seen no mention.
20 posted on 07/26/2008 3:35:50 PM PDT by jjw
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