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Check, Please (Obama Plans Reparations for Slavery)
Wall Street Journal ^ | 30 July 2008 | JAMES TARANTO

Posted on 07/31/2008 4:24:29 AM PDT by shrinkermd

One of the most appealing features of the Barack Obama candidacy is the idea that Obama is "postracial"--that he is a candidate who is black and does not practice the adversarial politics of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton...

But a story in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin raises serious questions about Obama's postracialism. The paper describes an Obama appearance at Unity '08, "a convention of four minority journalism In this view, the following deeds are insufficient to balance the ledger between America and the descendants of slaves: the Civil War, the ratification of the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments, Brown v. Board of Education, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the continuing practice of racial preferences. associations":

"I personally would want to see our tragic history, or the tragic elements of our history, acknowledged," the Democratic presidential hopeful said.

"I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it's Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds."

Exactly what Obama is advocating here cannot be determined, but it seems to be something of an endorsement of the idea of "reparations for slavery," which is usually taken to mean cash payments.


(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: afirmativeadvantage; obama; reparations
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This is an explosive charge not noted by many. Direct questions, at the very least, seem necessary; however, the MSM has yet to respond.

A 527 add could be the end of Obama's campaign.

1 posted on 07/31/2008 4:24:29 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
"Pay Up Sucka!


2 posted on 07/31/2008 4:28:16 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: shrinkermd
"I personally would want to see our tragic history, or the tragic elements of our history, acknowledged," the Democratic presidential hopeful said. "I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it's Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds."

"the Civil War, the ratification of the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments, Brown v. Board of Education, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the continuing practice of racial preferences" not to mention the over 600,000 dead in the Civil War aren't deeds enough? Obama, you can go to hell. My family immigrated to America in 1854. They were of German origin and settled in Chicago. They had nothing to do with slavery. I owe you and your Black community nothing. Nothing!

3 posted on 07/31/2008 4:32:06 AM PDT by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: shrinkermd

If this gets picked up by the MSM, he’ll start backpedalling. Sending out 15 gazillion statements to clarify his clarifications, just like he’s done in the past w/ Wright, Jerusalem, etc. etc. etc.


4 posted on 07/31/2008 4:32:22 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: shrinkermd

This “apology” from the ratHOUSE shows how worried the are now even over the Black vote. This reparations crap is just what we need to wrap things up by 9:30PM EST on Election Night.


5 posted on 07/31/2008 4:33:15 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: shrinkermd
the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds."

The House did pass a resolution apologizing for slavery. To a liberal, that is a "deed." All about feelings and little to nothing about results.

6 posted on 07/31/2008 4:33:57 AM PDT by IamConservative (On 11/4, remember 9/11...)
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To: shrinkermd
From April....

Obama and the Drive for Slavery Reparations

7 posted on 07/31/2008 4:34:08 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: shrinkermd
Well now ... this should end a lot of the "white guilt" the MSM has been alluding to.


It's no wonder the leftists are against the right to keep & bear arms, because they would definitely hurt themselves.


It's too bad ignorance isn't painful.

8 posted on 07/31/2008 4:38:30 AM PDT by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: shrinkermd

Guilt. Guilt for crimes you as an individual did not commit. Guilt that can never be repaid in full. Guilt to be placed on your children and their children not yet born. That is the hold marxists have when they impose the supremacy of the group over the individual.


9 posted on 07/31/2008 4:41:45 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: shrinkermd

I agree with him. We should give a check to every former slave and we should tax all former Confederate soldiers for it.


10 posted on 07/31/2008 4:41:55 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: shrinkermd
"I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it's Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds."

The writer can't determine what Obama is calling for? He's either scared to say what Obama is calling for or is a fool.
11 posted on 07/31/2008 4:51:44 AM PDT by Vision (The light of the body is the eye, if your eye is true all your body will be full of light. Matt 6:22)
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To: Vision

Will the major networks pick this up?


12 posted on 07/31/2008 4:53:24 AM PDT by scooby321
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To: shrinkermd

give them the money...it will quickly end up in the hands of white businessmen.


13 posted on 07/31/2008 4:54:09 AM PDT by palomonte
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To: shrinkermd

It’s easier to pick our pockets via taxes then to rob and mug good citizens. This Obama is nothing more than a clone of Malcolm X. He is a modern day Black Panther.


14 posted on 07/31/2008 4:54:43 AM PDT by kenmcg
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To: shrinkermd
I support reparations for slavery.

Just as soon as the NBA is 88% white players.

15 posted on 07/31/2008 4:54:58 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("I ain't freaking, I ain't faking it. Shu' up and let me go!")
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To: shrinkermd

On a local conservative talk show here in Memphis yesterday morning an african american citizen said 3 million per black should do for reparations.


16 posted on 07/31/2008 4:57:24 AM PDT by Married with Children
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To: scooby321
If your candidate said this, would you tell the country?
17 posted on 07/31/2008 4:58:40 AM PDT by Vision (The light of the body is the eye, if your eye is true all your body will be full of light. Matt 6:22)
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To: shrinkermd

We paid your reparations in blood when we took arms up against our own people to set you free. We owe you nothing.


18 posted on 07/31/2008 4:59:49 AM PDT by ClaudiusI
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To: palomonte

The modern equivalent of 40 acres and a mule-free movie tickets and coupons to Fatburger.


19 posted on 07/31/2008 5:00:16 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus (( commander of the simian host))
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To: shrinkermd

Steve Cohens apology probably has something to do with him being up for reelection against a black woman (Nikki Tinker) in an almost all black district here in Memphis.


20 posted on 07/31/2008 5:00:27 AM PDT by Married with Children
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To: shrinkermd

How about paying up in conjunction with stopping all programs related to race in federal health, welfare, employment, and education. It might be a small price to pay.


21 posted on 07/31/2008 5:00:54 AM PDT by Marylander (Tolja So.)
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To: mewzilla
Question regarding the highlighted quotes in your link:

Does the statute of limitations run out upon death of the perpetrator?

Are families of soldiers who fought on the US Government side of the Civil War exempt from paying reparations?

Are families of the Underground Railroad exempt as well?

If we are looking for reparations are we going to demand that the Arabs who profited from the trade in Africa contribute(in oil would be nice)?

Are we going to demand that the tribes in Africa that offered people as slaves to the Arabs for sale to the early Americas going to pay too?

What of those whose families had nothing to do with slavery or came to America after the civil war? If you don't hold the Arabs and tribes accountable why hold innocent Americans guilty?

Even if an American family had slaves in their past, but in modern times has worked diligently to remove discrimination etc. How could they be held guilty of a anything? Slavery was not a crime at the time is was happening. I am not saying it wasn't wrong, but what law is retroactive and allow punishment on persons generations removed from the incident?

And I agree with the earlier post regarding the numerous laws, amendments, etc. that have been created, enacted, and currently working are in fact deeds of the US Government to correct past wrongs.

22 posted on 07/31/2008 5:05:16 AM PDT by EBH ( ... the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness. --Alculin c.735-804)
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To: bcsco

I would support one way tickets to the African nation of their choice to any who feel they are entitled to reparations.


23 posted on 07/31/2008 5:06:05 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: EBH
All very good questions.

And here's one more question: If they're entitled to reparations, are US taxpayers entitled to bill reparations recipients for the cost of the Civil War?

Inquiring minds want to know.

24 posted on 07/31/2008 5:11:54 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: Kozak
I would support one way tickets to the African nation of their choice to any who feel they are entitled to reparations.

Nope. They want to go, let 'em pay. I'm tired of the whining and guilt-laden rhetoric. I'm not paying one thin dime.

25 posted on 07/31/2008 5:12:04 AM PDT by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: shrinkermd

Good! Maybe a Obama train wreck will undo the damage elected republicans have done to conservatism. Unfortunately that will require him getting elected, sad to say.


26 posted on 07/31/2008 5:14:13 AM PDT by sickoflibs (We cant win elections (with illegal's votes) by out-welfaring Democrats)
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To: mewzilla
From this link...

Cost Of The American Civil War

In dollars and cents, the U.S. government estimated Jan. 1863 that the war was costing $2.5 million daily. A final official estimate in 1879 totaled $6,190,000,000.

Paging reparations proponents...

27 posted on 07/31/2008 5:14:26 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: bcsco

Trust me, it would be a bargain in the long run....


28 posted on 07/31/2008 5:15:54 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: mewzilla
The Price in Blood! Casualties in the Civil War

One more note to reparations proponents: Put a price tag on THAT.

29 posted on 07/31/2008 5:16:49 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: EBH; mewzilla

Both of you have good questions. But will the do-nothings in Congress have the will to ask them should this come up on the floor? I doubt it.


30 posted on 07/31/2008 5:17:58 AM PDT by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: jmaroneps37

agreed...they need to pummel hussien with questions asking him exactly what he means with strong follow up questions when he waivers...


31 posted on 07/31/2008 5:19:28 AM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: bcsco
Well, God help Congress if they try to shove this down out throats.
32 posted on 07/31/2008 5:19:34 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: Marylander

Along with the bill for “reparations” for slavery, including every estimated hour of slave labor,

there should be a “debit” side bill listing the costs incurred by

$40 trillion in wealth transfer
the estimated opportunity cost (drag on the economy) of the above
the costs of property crimes committed by those of “slave blood”
the costs of violent crimes
the estimated loss of productivity of the victims of the crimes
the costs of effects of the thug/rap culture on productive citizens of other cultures

Add to the debit list as you think of things.


33 posted on 07/31/2008 5:19:50 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: shrinkermd

OK, let’s give them their reparations . . . but with a catch.

Each person who accepts his or her large reparations payment will then be ineligible to receive any further federal or state payments for welfare, food stamps, etc., for the rest of his or her life. Nada.


34 posted on 07/31/2008 5:20:37 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: shrinkermd
The slavery reparations question is a hot-potato that no Democrat wants to handle as no matter what they say, a portion of their base will be alienated. As such, it should be posed to them frequently in every forum possible.

Obama is particularly vulnerable to it.

So get busy...
35 posted on 07/31/2008 5:23:47 AM PDT by Antoninus (Every second spent bashing McCain is time that could be spent helping Conservatives downticket.)
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To: MrB

There should be a credit for white genes. The new genetic material diluted the all black African pool.

Those enslaved were the bottom of the African gene pool, being conquered and enslaved by stronger more vigorous people.


36 posted on 07/31/2008 5:23:58 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Conservation? Let the NE Yankees freeze.... in the dark)
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To: mewzilla
Well, God help Congress if they try to shove this down out throats.

God help us if it gets to that point. This has to become common knowledge this election cycle. No way should Obama become President with this agenda in mind.

37 posted on 07/31/2008 5:24:23 AM PDT by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: bcsco

“My family immigrated to America in 1854. They were of German origin and settled in Chicago. They had nothing to do with slavery. I owe you and your Black community nothing. Nothing!”

Amen! My ancestors immigrated to America sometime before 1680. They settled for a while in Virginia until their settlements and families were ravaged by Indians, then moving to PA. Then they fought and died in the American Revolution to gain freedom for generations to come. A freedom that they protected throughout history, wearing blue during the Civil War. Tragic history? Obama has the audacity to say he wants the “tragic elements of “OUR” history, acknowledged.” Is it his white blood or his black blood that he considers “OUR?” The white man has paid reparations for over 230 years, not just for one race but for all who love freedom yet Obama wants to isolate the black race as the only ones who have experienced hardship and that is because he does not know, does not respect and does not love what this country has done for him.


38 posted on 07/31/2008 5:28:19 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: bert

There are two schools of thought on the whole “race” thing.

One is that some races are differently (ie, more/less highly) evolved than others. This was the assertion in the book that the ACLU was trying to keep included in the classroom during the Scopes trial - that “Caucasians” were the most highly evolved, and blacks and aborigines less so.

The other school of thought is that all humans are from the same original gene pool (created, perfect Man and Woman), and that separation and natural selection gradually lost information until only a certain phenotype human was present in an area.

The first position I view as abhorrent, but either position would be supported by your claim that mixing in other gene pools was beneficial to genetic diversity.


39 posted on 07/31/2008 5:35:32 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: ClaudiusI
We paid your reparations in blood when we took arms up against our own people to set you free. We owe you nothing.

Excellent response.

40 posted on 07/31/2008 5:36:47 AM PDT by babyfreep
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To: shrinkermd

“This is an explosive charge not noted by many. Direct questions, at the very least, seem necessary; however, the MSM has yet to respond.”

And they never will. They would be accused of racism if they did.


41 posted on 07/31/2008 5:37:41 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: scooby321
Will the major networks pick this up?

No. Not unlessed they are forced to with a 527 and even then they will defend Obama. I just want someone to ask him the question, "Do you or do you not support slavery reparations, yes or no?"

42 posted on 07/31/2008 5:43:49 AM PDT by KansasGirl ( b/c Obama is just creepy.)
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To: bcsco

I have yet to see anything that would show either that Obama himself has any slave ancestors or would be entitled to reparations. His father was African, not African-American. His mother was a white American whose roots go back to the American Revolution. I don’t see where the slavery background comes in.


43 posted on 07/31/2008 5:47:34 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: palomonte

Yeah, sure it will—after they’ve gotten houses, cars, furniture, educations, etc for nothing. This is BS. You will see White riots if this comes to pass.


44 posted on 07/31/2008 5:49:44 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: bcsco

Why didn’t the great messiah speak at length about slave labor and reparations to his adoring mob in Berlin?


45 posted on 07/31/2008 5:55:05 AM PDT by Maumee (wtw)
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To: shrinkermd

So what happens if a person is half-white, half-black? Do they have to pay themselves? Reparations for slavery is a silly concept.


46 posted on 07/31/2008 5:55:51 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: savedbygrace
Each person who accepts his or her large reparations payment will then be ineligible to receive any further federal or state payments for welfare, food stamps, etc., for the rest of his or her life. Nada.

AND any of their future generations!

47 posted on 07/31/2008 5:57:08 AM PDT by painter (If you like $4/gal, Thank democrats in Congress!)
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To: Girlene

Yes, and do white people who can be traced to a slave anscestor qualify? What about Obama who did not descend from any African-American slave. Does he qualify? What % of DNA qualifies you? Who’s going to pay for all this DNA testing or is it going to be based entirely on skin color. If so, does Michael Jackson qualify since he is now white? :-) This is so asinine.


48 posted on 07/31/2008 6:02:50 AM PDT by KansasGirl ( b/c Obama is just creepy.)
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To: Kozak

I would support one way tickets to the African nation of their choice to any who feel they are entitled to reparations.

You read my mind.

49 posted on 07/31/2008 6:07:54 AM PDT by inflorida
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To: KansasGirl
Who’s going to pay for all this DNA testing or is it going to be based entirely on skin color. If so, does Michael Jackson qualify since he is now white? :-)

LOL. It's a secret plot by geneology lobbyists.
50 posted on 07/31/2008 6:29:42 AM PDT by Girlene
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