Posted on 08/02/2008 12:22:48 PM PDT by neverdem
Correct. They and other STDs are diseases of "CHOICE", you make the wrong choices and ...............
Duesberg's claims have been rejected by the scientific community and are not supported by data.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duesberg_hypothesis
HIV as a cause of AIDS meets Koch's postulates.
http://www.niaid.nih.gov/Factsheets/evidhiv.htm
“I don’t think it does anybody any good to pretend that everyone with HIV/AIDS has engaged in sodomy or drug use.”
No, but those who have it and didn’t engage in one of those two behaviors were infected because of those who have.
I’m a nurse that has been stuck with a dirty needle twice so I can appreciate the tragedy of being infected in that way. Thank God, neither of the male patients had HIV because if one of them had, I might not be here right now, my last child wouldn’t have been born, my two sons wouldn’t have a mother, and my husband would be raising them alone. Unless he remarried of course but I don’t think he would. Point is, a lot of people have died and terrible pain and tragedy has been inflicted upon innocent people and family because of the destructive and selfish behavior of others.
Excerpt from THE HIDDEN AGENDA BEHIND HIV:
Other public health officials have been even more forthright. As an officer of the Centers for Disease Control, Donald Francis had in 1984 drafted the CDC’s proposed AIDS strategy. In his 1992 retirement speech at the agency’s Atlanta, Georgia headquarters, Francis voiced the ambitions held by many of his fellow officers in describing “the opportunity that the HIV epidemic provides for public health” (JAMA, 9-16-92). He stated in no uncertain terms the radical nature of the plan:
The cloistered caution of the past needs to be discarded. The climate and culture must be open ones where old ideas are challenged. Those who desire the status quo should seek employment elsewhere. The American HIV prevention program should be the place where the best and the brightest come, where the action is, where history is being made. This is the epidemic of the century, and every qualified person should want to have a piece of the action.
The “action” described by Francis was a set of programs that would, as he fully recognized, need strong political protection from angry taxpayers and voters. For example, he bitterly attacked public opposition to condom distribution programs, and called for powerful legal measures to bypass parental discretion. “The ongoing controversies involving abstincence and condoms typify the morass into which schools can fall,” Francis complained. “If, in the opinion of those far more expert than I, schools cannot be expected to provide such programs, then health departments should take over, using as a justification their mandate to protect the public’s health.”
Francis also included proposals for dealing with the AIDS risk of intravenous drug use — including a call for “prescription of addicting drugs” with Federal government sponsorship. Even libertarians who advocate legalizing drugs would balk at such notions, which would ultimately create a massive bureaucracy encouraging drug use. “Following a more enlightened model for drug treatment, including prescribing heroin, would have dramatic effects on HIV and could eliminate many of the dangerous illegal activites surrounding drugs,” he insisted, knowing that only fear of the AIDS epidemic might make such proposals tolerable to the public. Ignoring the toxic, and possibly AIDS-inducing, effects of drugs, Francis emphasized that “In addition to treatment, safe injection [!] must be stressed both for those in treatment programs and those out of treatment. The provision of sterile injection equipment for drug users should be the standard of public health practice in the United States.”
Most chillingly of all, Francis saw the possibilities in harnessing other epidemics to advance similar agendas. As he put it, “if we establish new mechanisms to handle the HIV epidemic, [these] can serve as models for other diseases.”
Unbelievable, but LOL.
That is excellent work GGG, I’ve read your page. We have literally smothered this issue in $$ and to what avail??
Yes, I have read all those (and many, many more). Rethinking AIDS scientists have shredded their arguments long ago, and continue to do so now. You are correct to point out they are in the minority, but the movement to challenge the HIV/AIDS hypothesis is growing all the time, both in the scientific and medical communities, and in the general public. And besides, science is not decided by majority opinion. Indeed, just think the state science would be in if it was decided by majority vote!
Good science is decided by meeting certain tests. Koch’s is an excellent example of clearly identifying a pathogen.
I happen to agree with a good deal of what you have written, but not on the source angle. HIV is well-defined, and repeatable as causation. Recreational drugs as a source of an autoimmune disorder is just not supported by the data.
That’s a proposal from 1992 for prescription heroin by an official since retired. It was never enacted. Get real. HIV & AIDS is real. Global warming from the sun has stopped.
Thanks. It's nice to get a little encouragement here and there. I have been steadily adding new people to my Rethinking AIDS ping list, and yet I haven't heard a peep from almost anybody. Perhaps they are still in the learning phase. As for smothering this issue with $$$, it's worse than to no avail...if you take the time to understand AIDS Rethinker scientists and medical doctors, they maintain all that $$$ is actually maiming and killing people via the chemotherapy drugs they are using to treat so-called AIDS patients. Very sad. Needless to say, you can't keep the truth bottled up forever. Someday, in the not to distant future, there will be a reckoning. And the longer it takes, the bigger that reckoning will be.
All the best—GGG
It’s behavior.
Gangsta behavior/prison/gansta behavior
==That’s a proposal from 1992 for prescription heroin by an official since retired. It was never enacted. Get real. HIV & AIDS is real. Global warming from the sun has stopped.
I said the AIDS/public health establishment has been “pushing” for these measures, not that they have enacted all of them. Big difference. As for getting real...HIV is real (but harmless). The diseases associated with AIDS are real diseases, but they are not caused by HIV. As for Global Warming, I couldn’t agree more.
Just after our asinine government committed another $48bils to “fight” AIDS in Africa.
I guess the domestic gay lobby wants to get a bigger chunk of the trough.
The AIDS scam has been going on since the early and mid 80s. Homosexuals and their dishonest apologists working to make the public believe that anyone could contract AIDS....homosexuality was not a factor which truly increased risk. Naturally the point was to convince the American people that vast amounts of money had to be spent to find a cure, for everyone was at risk! The wealth of the homosexual community translates itself into political pull and facts go out the window. SOP.
I used to use MEDLINE when it was updated monthly by new CD-ROMs. Then I could retrieve a citation by entering its unique identifier with an entry like UI: 3299089 into the query box. When I try PMID: 3299089 at PubMed, I get nada. Do you know what I'm doing wrong?
Somehow I missed your reply. The story is absolutely correct, and the message has been repeated by AIDS Rethinker scientists and medical doctors for decades now. But nobody in the AIDS establishment has been willing to listen. There are a few scientific papers that are belatedly recognizing that poverty and malnutrition are one of the chief causes of “AIDS” in Africa. The fact that they were even allowed to be published at all suggests that the AIDS establishment is finally on the threshold of recognizing the obvious.
No I don’t, I just copied the reference. I just now typed Medline PMID: 3299089 into google and it took me right to a site. Try it.
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