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Scientists Question FBI Probe On Anthrax
Washington Post ^ | Sunday, August 3, 2008; A01 | By Joby Warrick, Marilyn W. Thompson and Aaron C. Davis

Posted on 08/03/2008 1:31:44 PM PDT by Perdogg

For nearly seven years, scientist Bruce E. Ivins and a small circle of fellow anthrax specialists at Fort Detrick's Army medical lab lived in a curious limbo: They served as occasional consultants for the FBI in the investigation of the deadly 2001 anthrax attacks, yet they were all potential suspects.

Over lunch in the bacteriology division, nervous scientists would share stories about their latest unpleasant encounters with the FBI and ponder whether they should hire criminal defense lawyers, according to one of Ivins's former supervisors. In tactics that the researchers considered heavy-handed and often threatening, they were interviewed and polygraphed as early as 2002, and reinterviewed numerous times. Their labs were searched, and their computers and equipment carted away.

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TOPICS: Anthrax Scare; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amerithrax; anthrax; antraz; bioterrorism; bruceivins; fbi; ivins; merylnass; michaelratner; nass; ratner
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1 posted on 08/03/2008 1:31:44 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: okie01; Mitchell; Allan; TrebleRebel; ZACKandPOOK; EdLake; jpl

“Once the case is closed, the FBI and Justice Department will face questions — and possibly public hearings — from congressional oversight committees, which have been largely shut out of the case the past five years. The investigators have cited the ongoing nature of the case, as well as accusations of leaks to the media, for the information blackout to Capitol Hill.”

Predicition: the Feds will create a new category of case, “Case of Suspended Interest” or close to that, in which the Feds can imply the case is solved, but not reveal anything about it.


2 posted on 08/03/2008 1:37:47 PM PDT by Shermy (I'm very proud of America giving me this opportunity. It's a sign of enormous growth in this country)
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To: Shermy

This is odd. I know this was around 9-11 but it seems to me, like the article said, it would be difficult to make it without being detected.


3 posted on 08/03/2008 1:39:54 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

The anthrax was really easy to make when they wanted to frame a guy, Hatfill, who clearly had no ability to refine the stuff.

This time it’s “highly refined” and because Ivins actually dealt with anthrax...well, story is unsure. Was there silica present?

The only clear thing—the FBI was sa incompetent its primary goal was to fight shining any light on their actions. A few weeks ago some retired agents expressly called the investigation incompetent.


4 posted on 08/03/2008 1:45:49 PM PDT by Shermy (I'm very proud of America giving me this opportunity. It's a sign of enormous growth in this country)
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To: Shermy

Case of Suspended Interest”

Oh GREAT!!!

Is that what they did with TWA 800 and Flight 587 and....sigh!.......


5 posted on 08/03/2008 1:46:40 PM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: Shermy
When a social worker (female) claims that a 62 year old male is a homicidal kook, I'd bet on the "kook" to be more stable than the BS credentialed "social worker". When a Phd scientist works under top security conditions and has reached the age of 62, I think his motives in life have been long established. Put me in a group therapy session and I'd have some real fun too.

Anyone look into his real medical condition? I mean not the one that a social worker who graduated from nausea university with a BA in social work, but a real physician? Did he have cancer? Other reasons to be depressed?

6 posted on 08/03/2008 2:02:36 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: Shermy
Predicition: the Feds will create a new category of case, “Case of Suspended Interest” or close to that, in which the Feds can imply the case is solved, but not reveal anything about it.

Something like this perhaps:

2005 : (PAKISTAN : RAUF CASE PUT ON INACTIVE STATUS) Last year [2005], in an acknowledgment of the impasse in its four-year joint investigation with Pakistan, the FBI officially put the [Rauf] case on inactive status. "We will never close the door, but the chances of getting him into the United States are slim to none," said one U.S. intelligence official, who, like others, agreed to discuss the case on the condition that he not be identified by name.... With the evidence against Rauf, some U.S. officials say they are perplexed about why Pakistani authorities have refused to further pursue him, while acknowledging that the case presents both legal and political difficulties for Pakistan.------Suspect and A Setback In Al-Qaeda Anthrax Case - Scientist With Ties To Group Goes FreeWashington Post ^ | October 31, 2006 | Joby Warrick Posted on 10/31/2006 2:52:25 PM PST by RDTF

I think, judging from the way it looks it my timelines, that the anthrax case is so intertwined in the GWOT that to put forth an indictment would put too many other terrorist cases at risk, and other cases relating to proliferation. The defense team would have a field day making the prosecution put forth a case while having to fight off the defense team's requests to interview every single major player in the GWOT and in A Q Khan's circle of friends, or see some evidence that is still useful-but only if kept secret- to the prosecution of the war.

7 posted on 08/03/2008 2:12:40 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Perdogg
So long as those terror charity cases stay open I don't expect much movement on the anthrax case even if they do know who did it.

I wonder about these stories from before 9/11 ; I don't think I've seen any followup on them:

SEPTEMBER 8, 2001 : (ATLANTA, GA : LETTER CONTAINING A POWDER THAT WOULD LATER TEST POSITIVE FOR ANTHRAX IS MAILED TO THE ADDRESS OF A KENYAN DOCTOR) ----- "Postal route in N.J. tracked; 8th case confirmed; anthrax studies suggest cases linked," By Frank D. Roylance and Marego Athans, Sun Staff, The Baltimore Sun, October 20, 2001Copyright © 2002

SEPTEMBER 9, 2001 : (FL : PALM BEACH COUNTY : 1606 DORAL DRIVE, FAIRWAY ISLES SUBDIVISION, IN THE TOWN OF GREENACRES) : WITNESS SEES AL MASRI FAMILY PACKING UP AND LEAVING IN A HURRY- THEY LEFT SO FAST THEY DIDN'T CLEAN UP THE FOOD ON THEIR TABLE) Lisa Dickerson said she watched Mohamad Almasri hustle his family into their car on Sept. 9, 2001. She said that a few days after the attacks, when news reports began focusing on possible connections between the terrorists and the nearby Lantana airport, she called a special national FBI hot line. "It was just the way he put them in," Dickerson said. "It happened so fast." ... According to state records, others who lived at the house in the upscale neighborhood near Jog Road and Forest Hill Boulevard were Madawi Almasri, 26, Turki Ma Almasri, 22, and Afaf I. Arif, 47. Neighbors said Almasri lived at the home with his wife, a son and daughter in their late teens or early twenties, and a younger son and daughter. -- FBI searches Saudi family's former home," By Scott McCabe and Eliot Kleinberg, Palm Beach Post Staff Writers Wednesday, January 22, 2003 [* A place called 'Greenacres' comes up in another terror investigation regarding an Aussie suspect named Habib]

8 posted on 08/03/2008 2:18:55 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: blackdog
Merle Nass was a friend of his and said he had a chronic blood disorder that he felt was a result of repeated vaccinations for anthrax.

The very vaccine he had helped to create. He knew that the adjuvant, an oil, was causing problems.

I think he was worried about having to vaccinate everyone and having a quarter of them die with reactions to the adjuvant. Merle Nass comments are on another thread.

9 posted on 08/03/2008 2:28:46 PM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: blackdog
When a Phd scientist works under top security conditions and has reached the age of 62, I think his motives in life have been long established.

In plain sight in the news stories about Dr. Ivins is that he was a scientific prodigy (with all the usual "nerdiness"), family man, devout Catholic. No wonder he's an easy target.

The press has already convicted him.

10 posted on 08/03/2008 2:37:31 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (when did the circus freak show escape and take over the entire world?)
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To: piasa
Since your're familiar with the history, do you recall other bio-weapons researchers committing suicide after the anthrax scare?

I seem to recall two or so. Didn't one jump off a bridge or something?

11 posted on 08/03/2008 2:39:25 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (when did the circus freak show escape and take over the entire world?)
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To: the invisib1e hand

There was a list of 43 I think....some actual suicides, many suspicious deaths. Young, healthy people dying, you gotta shake your head.


12 posted on 08/03/2008 2:47:20 PM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: blackdog
my favorite writer sums up the case as follows:

To be sure they aren't outdone in trash journalism, the New York Post picks up on the Baltimore Sun theme above and raises the level of character defamation a few notches, quoting Dr. Ivins' brother referring to his tragically deceased brother as a "wussy." This is the same gentleman who stated that the accomplished scientist, owner of two patents, "thought he was God." Perhaps the real story is a case of malicious sibling rivalry.

Also, the Post couldn't resist the "...and he bought a handgun!" angle, complete with pictures. So, there you have it: nerdy scientist who was pro life, owned a handgun, had thought about killing someone (and was innocent enough to admit it), has a paranoid social worker, has comments added to his social worker's file in pen (as in, after the fact, perhaps), had a jealous brother, and stood to make "tens of thousands of dollars" by carrying off an evil mail order campaign.

Case closed?

Hardly.

13 posted on 08/03/2008 2:54:10 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (when did the circus freak show escape and take over the entire world?)
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To: Perdogg
"As far back as the year 2000, [Ivins] has actually attempted to murder several other people, [including] through poisoning," she said "He is a revenge killer, when he feels that he's been slighted . . . especially towards women. He plots and actually tries to carry out revenge killings," she told a judge.

The therapist sounds like she could have been a witness in the Fell Acres case.

14 posted on 08/03/2008 3:01:24 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (when did the circus freak show escape and take over the entire world?)
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To: the invisib1e hand; Shermy
There was a researcher in TN as I recall whose rental car was found on a Mississippi River bridge. His body was found in the river some days later.

He was a Harvard trained Dr. Don Wiley- his specialty was not anthrax. He was in Memphis to attend a conference. It wasn't considered suicide. They thought he may have accidently fallen after suffering a seizure. Not sure how they came to conclude that, if they settled on it.

The medical examiner in the case was also the guy who examined Katherine Smith, the license examiner who was killed in a burnt-up car.

The examiner was attacked physically and the office he worked in was earlier discovered to have bombs planted around it.

The info should be on Shermy's old

15 posted on 08/03/2008 3:10:16 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Perdogg

What was the MOTIVE supposed to have been for this guy Ivins? Sex?? Drugs?? Money??? Or was poisoning the US Senate office building with anthrax supposed to improve his golf game????


16 posted on 08/03/2008 3:16:08 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946
Motive? Why, he potentially "stood to gain tens of thousands of dollars!"

That would compel anyone to reverse the entire course of his distinguished life and become a serial killer, wouldn't it?

The NY Post angle.

17 posted on 08/03/2008 3:19:51 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (when did the circus freak show escape and take over the entire world?)
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To: Perdogg
This article you posted brings some much needed balance to the press releases that have been getting rotation since this man's tragic death.

The story makes my blood boil, but I suppose his social worker would say that makes me dangerous.

18 posted on 08/03/2008 3:21:01 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (when did the circus freak show escape and take over the entire world?)
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To: Battle Axe
http://www.stevequayle.com/dead_scientists/UpdatedDeadScientists.html

Here is a list before Dr. Ivins' suicide.

19 posted on 08/03/2008 3:35:51 PM PDT by Chgogal (Voting "Present" 130 times might be a sign of a smart politician. It is not a sign of a good leader.)
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To: wendy1946

They claim he could not make the aerosol.


20 posted on 08/03/2008 3:36:53 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Battle Axe; Shermy; Cindy; Fedora
Merle Nass was a friend of his and said he had a chronic blood disorder that he felt was a result of repeated vaccinations for anthrax.

Are you kidding? Is this "Merle Nass" the Dr. Meryle Nass, the woman whose Rhodesian anthrax paper in Red Flags Weekly was used -- via FAS's Rosenberg- to smear Hatfill and the woman who thinks the US sprayed Cuba with a substance that made Cubans go blind?

1993 : (NASS TRAVELS TO CUBA) By Meryl Nass, MD. ... "In 1993, I went to Cuba as a consultant to the Cuban Ministry of Health. ..." - Red Flags Weekly

This gal?:

1992 : (ANTHRAX ARTICLE BY MERYL NASS - See the groups PHYSICIANS FOR SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY & Institute for Molecular Medicine [affiliated with "Contaminated Veterans of America"], BARBARA HATCH ROSENBERG, AMERITHRAX, CUBA, HATFILL ) No one ever has provided any evidence showing that the Rhodesian army carried out anthrax attacks, much less that Hatfill participated in them. Kristof and company merely are regurgitating a tainted 1992 article by longtime Rosenberg associate Meryl Nass. The Nass report purported to explain the 1978-80 anthrax outbreak that affected 10,000 black farmers, predominantly with cutaneous anthrax, killing 182. In her "explanation," Nass leaped from one politically loaded speculation to another without any evidence.
The flamboyant, brilliant Hatfill earned his medical degree in Rhodesia in the late 1970s and early 1980s while serving in U.S. and Rhodesian special forces. In Rhodesia, he fought against communist guerrillas. One must recall that in Rhodesia — now named Zimbabwe, and ruled since 1980 by genocidal communist Robert Mugabe — the choice was never between apartheid and freedom, but rather between white or black apartheid.
-- "Media Manufacture Cloud of Suspicion Over Hatfill," By Nicholas Stix , Washington Times' Insight On the News, Posted Aug. 14, 2002, http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm/include/detail/storyid/260804.html.

This gal?

2003 : (BOOKDEALS---- NASS CITED AS CONTRIBUTOR TO BOOK BY ELLEN RAY {See MICHAEL RATNER} & SCHAAP )
Bioterror: Manufacturing Wars the American Way
Ellen Ray and William H. Schaap (ed.)
Publisher : Ocean Press
Published : 2003
Copyright : Ellen Ray and William H. Schaap 2003
ISBN : PB 1-876175-64-8
********
ALSO SEE :
Amazon.com: Ellen Ray: Books

Nice folks she hangs around with! I will not accept that the guy was her "friend" based on her word -- friends don't leak to the press about friends this way, certainly not that soon while the family is grieving. The bunch she hangs around with also claimed - very belatedly years later when it served their agenda- to be friends of a CIA guy who committed suicide after criticizing one of Clinton's CIA directors for being too PC.

Her associates wrote this:

Guantanamo: What the World Should Know by Michael Ratner and Ellen Ray ... Covert Action: The Roots of Terrorism by Ellen Ray and William H. Schaap ... www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Ellen%20Ray&page=1 - 137k - Cached - Similar pages

Ratner's the spawn of the National lawyer's Guild & CCR and is embedded in the legal campaign to aid prisoners in Gitmo. His colleague is Lynne Stewart, the 1993 WTC bomb plot Blind Sheikh's lawyer who transmitted info on his behalf to Egyptian Islamic Jihad operatives for a terrorist strike, whose legal aid helped in the assassination of NA leader Ahmed Massood on Sept 9, 2001.

Schaap's a real hoot too.

21 posted on 08/03/2008 3:43:03 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Perdogg

Financial Times tells us the suicide was by an overdose of pain killer Tylenol. Google informs us that Tylenol is toxic at dosages above 4 grams/day, and doses as low as 10 grams have been lethal. But as a suicide method it takes a few days to have the effect, and the departure from this world is unlikely to be comfortable.


22 posted on 08/03/2008 3:45:56 PM PDT by dr huer
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To: the invisib1e hand
My wife is a research chemist who holds seventeen patents of real in-use chemistries. Several of those patents are international. She is employed by a european company. Our personal information, finances, and medical records are gleaned by her employer every six months. Private investigators have interviewed our neighbors and her former collegues about how she's "been doing?"

If private industry is so hawkish regarding trade secrets, I can only imagine what a DOD scientist has to endure. This story should do a real diservice to the recruiting efforts of our government research labs. It's a shame.

23 posted on 08/03/2008 3:46:06 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: piasa

...thread : http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/involved?group=383

sorry


24 posted on 08/03/2008 3:46:47 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa

Thanks piasa for the background info.


25 posted on 08/03/2008 3:57:47 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: dr huer
I've never understood why prescription pain killers have to have Tylenol crammed in with them? It's a real dumb but highly lucritive thing to do. It's the narcotic that helps with the pain. Why would you mix in enough tylenol so that if you take enough to stop the pain you end up causing liver and kidney failure. Acetometaphen is hell on the liver. Eight oxycontin in a 24 hour period is 4mg.

I just go to the doctor's office and get a nubane shot or demeral shot. It's efficacy is much more bang for the buck and it saves your liver from all that tylenol. And really folks, if you're in a lot of difficult pain, you should be closely monitored by your doc. That's why they used to keep you in a hospital.

26 posted on 08/03/2008 3:59:07 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: dr huer
I've never understood why prescription pain killers have to have Tylenol crammed in with them? It's a real dumb but highly lucritive thing to do. It's the narcotic that helps with the pain. Why would you mix in enough tylenol so that if you take enough to stop the pain you end up causing liver and kidney failure. Acetometaphen is hell on the liver. Eight oxycontin in a 24 hour period is 4 grams.

I just go to the doctor's office and get a nubane shot or demeral shot. It's efficacy is much more bang for the buck and it saves your liver from all that tylenol. And really folks, if you're in a lot of difficult pain, you should be closely monitored by your doc. That's why they used to keep you in a hospital.

27 posted on 08/03/2008 3:59:29 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: wendy1946
Well, if Meryl Nass really was a friend of his- something I am not going to accept just yet- and his ideology is the same as that of FAS, then his motive could have been the same as Dr Rosenberg's motive for pinning Hatfill:

Her organization wants to open US weapons research facilities AND defensive bioresearch facilities to international inspection. Or shut them down, whichever comes first. Her group is royally POed that the US pulled out of one of those Bioweapons treaties when Bush was elected.

If they are sufficiently wacko- and I think we can as easily suspect that of them after Lynne Stewart became the Blind Sheik's facilitator - then is it possible that such people could work with a terrorist, domestic or otherwise, to create a bioweapons incident to further their agenda of opening up the labs or even get the Dems to shut them down? Nass's group from college was already involved in an effort to shut down a tritium processing facility I believe, or some missile project. Can't remember which but I've got their web page in here somewhere, maybe I can find it. It would somewhat explain why the targets would be Daschle and such.

But it could be the scientist wasn't a friend at all and the lefties are glomming onto him to cast more suspicion on US researchers in our the labs and get a "reform" effort going that might shut them down, and perhaps to get the FBI to stop digging before something more damaging to them turns up.

At least he didn't do the wrist-slitting thing like the UK bioterrorism expert Kelly. "Many dark actors playing games" and all.

28 posted on 08/03/2008 4:03:46 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa

Wow.

I stand corrected.


29 posted on 08/03/2008 4:08:28 PM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: EdLake

What are your thoughts about the possible involvement of Dr. Ivins?


30 posted on 08/03/2008 4:11:53 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Cindy; Grampa Dave

It’s weird how the same small crew of people keep turning up.


31 posted on 08/03/2008 4:16:30 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa

OPINION-SPECULATION:

It could be the investigation went from a wide scope of focus to hone in on a tight (?) narrow scope of focus. Since we aren’t privy to the details...hard to know for sure.


32 posted on 08/03/2008 4:21:56 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: blackdog

well, we know where your kids get their brains from.


33 posted on 08/03/2008 4:26:44 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (when did the circus freak show escape and take over the entire world?)
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To: piasa
Does anyone here find it somewhat problematic that bio-weapons researchers off themselves with Tylenol and wrist slitting? I mean if there were ever people in control of a swift and painless departure, these guys would be just those with the know-how.

Tylenol?????? Gimme a break........

34 posted on 08/03/2008 4:34:18 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: the invisib1e hand

Fer sher.


35 posted on 08/03/2008 4:35:25 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: Chgogal
That list is what I've been looking for.

Thank you.

36 posted on 08/03/2008 4:42:02 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (when did the circus freak show escape and take over the entire world?)
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To: blackdog

“When a social worker (female) claims that a 62 year old male is a homicidal kook, I’d bet on the “kook” to be more stable than the BS credentialed “social worker”. When a Phd scientist works under top security conditions and has reached the age of 62, I think his motives in life have been long established. Put me in a group therapy session and I’d have some real fun too.”

A person I told this too had the same reaction, he could have been speaking sarcastically.


37 posted on 08/03/2008 4:55:15 PM PDT by Shermy (I'm very proud of America giving me this opportunity. It's a sign of enormous growth in this country)
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To: wideminded

http://www.anthraxinvestigation.com/#comments


38 posted on 08/03/2008 5:03:43 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: blackdog; Shermy
social worker

Especially when she presents it as being "against women" as she did. At least a 50% chance (and probably much higher) that she's the one with the issues -- issues with men who have issues.

Not getting much scrutiny is the discosure that her comments were added to his file in pen. Added by whom? Why in pen? An afterthought? Added when? After the fact?

She loses most of her credibility.

39 posted on 08/03/2008 5:04:16 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (when did the circus freak show escape and take over the entire world?)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Remember the social worker who created that fiasco in Texas a few months back? The one who made anonymous calls claiming kiddie rape and incest within that religious group? It turned out to be the social worker who had the screw loose. The state spent a fortune and lost a great deal of credibility.


40 posted on 08/03/2008 5:07:44 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: blackdog

I didn’t even know Tylenol was lethal.


41 posted on 08/03/2008 5:17:18 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

Take Tylenol for five days and go get a liver enzyme test. Guess what? Your liver won’t be happy.


42 posted on 08/03/2008 5:28:04 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: Shermy

“The anthrax was really easy to make when they wanted to frame a guy, Hatfill, who clearly had no ability to refine the stuff.”

I remember reading articles about Hatfill and thinking it sounded like a solid case.
But it wasn’t.

I’m also reminded of the Olympic security guard who found the bomb in ‘96 in Atlanta.
Accused by the FBI of being the bomber.
But he wasn’t.

Now we are going to hear details about this man as if it is a given he was guilty.


43 posted on 08/03/2008 5:32:57 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: dr huer

“Financial Times tells us the suicide was by an overdose of pain killer Tylenol. Google informs us that Tylenol is toxic at dosages above 4 grams/day, and doses as low as 10 grams have been lethal. But as a suicide method it takes a few days to have the effect, and the departure from this world is unlikely to be comfortable.”

true, except this was prescription only Tylenol with codeine added to it. (I believe it’s called “tylenol 3”)
If that is accurate, I’m guessing the codeine surpressed his respiratory system, and he probably went to sleep and never woke up.


44 posted on 08/03/2008 5:42:06 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Scotswife

Remember the pond draining fiasco? The guy with the necklace of explosives in Scranton? Richard Jewel? (poor bastard) The abortion clinic bomber who eluded the FBI’s finest for the better part of a decade by living in the town of 600 the FBI was camped out in and eating berries and food thrown out in dumpsters?


45 posted on 08/03/2008 5:45:28 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: blackdog

This guy slit his wrists too?

As far as tylenol goes...the article I read described it as prescription tylenol with codeine added to it (”tylenol 3”)
While many people do commit suicide using regular tylenol - it is correct when it is described as a long and painful death from a fried liver.
But with added codeine - I’m guessing the codeine shut down his breathing and that may have been a relatively quick suicide.


46 posted on 08/03/2008 5:48:56 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: blackdog

“Remember the pond draining fiasco? “

verrry vaguely.
It’s kind of coming back to me now.
They found some obscure object when they drained a pond close to Hatfill’s house - yes?

” The guy with the necklace of explosives in Scranton?”

I’m not sure about that one?
And I should - Scranton is only one hour away.

“The abortion clinic bomber who eluded the FBI’s finest for the better part of a decade by living in the town of 600 the FBI was camped out in and eating berries and food thrown out in dumpsters?”

I remember he turned out to be the real Olympic bomber (or was he?).
I remember articles about what a genius survivalist he was.
I don’t remember anything about berries in dumpsters :)


47 posted on 08/03/2008 5:52:21 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Scotswife
The narcotic component of Tylenol 3's, Oxycontin, and Hydrocodone is pretty small and an overdose is most likely just going to make you throw up. The days of prescription calamity are long gone.

Just amphetamines to feed children with ADHD and adults with ADHD and depression. Nothing good comes from a world of speed freaks on prozac.

48 posted on 08/03/2008 5:56:47 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: Scotswife
Now we are going to hear details about this man as if it is a given he was guilty.

Yeah. But that's not the worst of it. Their family lost a husband and father.

49 posted on 08/03/2008 6:03:43 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (when did the circus freak show escape and take over the entire world?)
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To: Scotswife
It's pretty easy to be labeled a survivalist expert when the gubmint spends a hundred million staking out a town of 600 and you eluded capture by eating from dumpsters behind the local diner that the FBI is having lunch inside.

They found nothing in draining the pond near Hatfill's house. It sure looked promising though with all those FBI boats bobbing around in the mud. Any agency who can drain a pond has to know something right?

I do think they pinned the olympic bombing on that guy. Richard Jewel should be one bitter SOB.

I won't even mention Waco or TWA 800. That gets too crazy yet.

They only found the unibomber because his brother turned him in.

50 posted on 08/03/2008 6:07:17 PM PDT by blackdog
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