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This day in History: Atomic bomb dropped on Nagasaki (Happy Nagasaki Day!)
History Channel ^ | August 9, 2008 | Staff

Posted on 08/09/2008 3:50:28 AM PDT by abb

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To: GAB-1955
Many who lived in San Francisco and the West Coast also owe their lives to the bomb. Japan had a dirty bomb attack planned with SF as their target. All of the resources for it were being assembled with September as the kick off date.
51 posted on 08/09/2008 7:25:47 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: Does so

Yes, the Christians of Japan were the group most in opposition to the phony “religion” of militarism in Japan. It’s too bad Nagasaki’s number came up.


52 posted on 08/09/2008 7:31:11 AM PDT by ImpeachandRemove
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To: abb; PhilDragoo; devolve; y'all

boooooooooooooooommmmmmp !!


53 posted on 08/09/2008 7:45:24 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (McRINO needs reach across the aisle to Conservatives for a CHANGE! Dang him!!!)
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To: Cripplehawk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bockscar

Kokura was the primary target, but when Bockscar arrived at its rendezvous point off the coast of Japan the third aircraft of its flight (the photo ship Big Stink) was not present. After fruitlessly waiting 40 minutes, Sweeney and Bock proceeded to Kokura but found it obscured by clouds. Sweeney had orders to drop the atomic bomb visually if possible, and after three unsuccessful passes over Kokura, conferred with weaponeer Commander Frederick Ashworth (USN). They agreed to strike the secondary target, Nagasaki.[7]


54 posted on 08/09/2008 8:00:27 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb
Must read.....

http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/macarthur%20reports/macarthur%20v1/ch13.htm

The details of Operation Downfall, the invasion of Japan.

The two bombs saved a million lives.

55 posted on 08/09/2008 8:06:50 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: wtc911
The two bombs saved a million lives.

Indeed. And just suppose we had them a year earlier. No Battle of the Bulge or Market Garden. No Iwo Jima or Okinawa. No Communist domination of Eastern Europe for two generations.

56 posted on 08/09/2008 8:15:50 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: TalBlack; abb
Absolutely true, but that “Happy Nagasaki day” jibe in the headline is childish.

Very poor taste IMO.

One of the most horrific days in the history of mankind, necessary but horrific.

57 posted on 08/09/2008 8:27:27 AM PDT by houeto ("Drill Here! Drill Now!")
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To: houeto
One of the most horrific days in the history of mankind...

I simply do no agree. There's no telling how many tinpot dictators were suitably impressed by this display of military power. Do you really believe the Communists would have refrained from aggressive military action against us had we not shown our willingness to use these weapons?

58 posted on 08/09/2008 8:34:28 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: MeekOneGOP; devolve
My father served on USS Saratoga (CV-3).

The two bombs ended the war Japan started, and saved millions of Japanese who would have fought to the death to resist the invasion.

For wanton mass murder, Nanking comes to mind.

59 posted on 08/09/2008 8:35:54 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: abb
There's no telling how many tinpot dictators were suitably impressed by this display of military power. Do you really believe the Communists would have refrained from aggressive military action against us had we not shown our willingness to use these weapons?

I am not in any disagreement with any of your points. I am simply saying that such a huge loss of life on a general population center is horrific.

Were there a way for all the deaths to have been Japanese military, I would be calling for the fireworks stands to be open each year for the occasion.

Sadly though, that was just not possible.

Another thing. If we don't take off the kid gloves and show the Islamists just how ruthless a people we can be, the terror attacks will NEVER stop.

60 posted on 08/09/2008 8:47:53 AM PDT by houeto ("Drill Here! Drill Now!")
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To: houeto
I am simply saying that such a huge loss of life on a general population center is horrific.

War in and of itself is horrific. My point is that once undertaken, you had better be prepared to do whatever it takes to finish it successfully. And I don't think it necessary to apologize. For the record Nagasaki was an important military target.

"The city of Nagasaki had been one of the largest sea ports in southern Japan and was of great wartime importance because of its wide-ranging industrial activity, including the production of ordnance, ships, military equipment, and other war materials."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

Another thing. If we don't take off the kid gloves and show the Islamists just how ruthless a people we can be, the terror attacks will NEVER stop.

Here, we agree.

61 posted on 08/09/2008 8:58:47 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb; wtc911; WorkingClassFilth; Joe Boucher; johnny7; A.A. Cunningham; libertylover; ...

The two bombs saved a million lives.

I think that number is conservative!


Among others, the bombs saved an estimated 300,000 Allied POW's who were ordered to be executed the minute an invasion was launched.

Let us also not forget the Japanese were working on their own weapons of mass destruction -- primarily biological -- through facilities such as Unit 731. There is virtually no doubt this horror would have been unleashed on the United States had the Japanese been able. The bombs prevented that tragedy.

R. J. Rummel, a professor of political science at the University of Hawaii, states that between 1937 and 1945, the Japanese military murdered from nearly 3,000,000 to over 10,000,000 people, most probably 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Koreans, Filipinos, and Indochinese, among others, including Western prisoners of war. This democide was due to a morally bankrupt political and military strategy, military expediency and custom, and national culture." According to Rummel, in China alone, during 1937-45, approximately 3.9 million Chinese were killed, mostly civilians, as a direct result of the Japanese operations and 10.2 millions in the course of the war.

Finally, it should be remembered the bombs put an end to other Japanese atrocities, beyond comprehension to most and too numerous to list.

62 posted on 08/09/2008 9:00:11 AM PDT by Zakeet (Crime wouldn't pay if the government ran it)
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To: abb
War in and of itself is horrific.

Yes, don't start them. We don't start wars, but we sure as hell finish them (or at least we used to).

63 posted on 08/09/2008 9:00:51 AM PDT by dfwgator ( This tag blank until football season.)
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To: All
Several years ago I called on a manufacturer working in a complex of some of the largest warehouse buildings I'd ever seen. The old group of wooden WWII era buildings, now a commercial enterprise called “The Space Center” in Mira Loma California, comprised of 6 or 9 structures that I would guess to be 200 x 400 feet each. Each building was surrounded by rail tracks and had box car high loading docks the length of both sides.
When I asked what the original purpose of this huge complex was, the answer stopped me cold. I was told they were built as the US Army morgue, built for the deaths anticipated during the planned U.S. land invasion of Japan!
64 posted on 08/09/2008 9:08:37 AM PDT by Sefton
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To: stuartcr
The bombing was a defensive plus a strategic maneuver to preserve one sides casualties, a showing of superior fighting power and hopefully used to end the (Total) war by a nation that was pissed off and tired.

Civilians are the backbone of society, who says they are ALL innocent anyways. Some accept the evil that government does, some even worship a human “sun god” they never seen or heard, some civilians even though don't pick up a weapon approve the actions of those that do. Some (minority) resist the evil that some governments do and either fight internally or become a martyr for resistance. In the end the real truth gets us in the end (And yes there is truth out there despite what moral relativist say).

65 posted on 08/09/2008 9:11:06 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Fresh Wind
Agreed, but the use of the word and is the key element in my last post.

"These anniversaries should be noted in every public school and the deterrent effect of armed might should be taught over and over and over and over and over and over and over . . . "
66 posted on 08/09/2008 9:12:36 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Don't cheer for Obama too hard - the krinton syndicate is moving back into the WH.)
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To: seoul62

First time I have heard of a personal experience seeing the flash. Bless your mom.

I live next to Hanford, WA, where the fuel for that weapon was manufactured but don’t take any pleasure in that fact and would never glorify the bombs. I Hope she is right that other lives were saved.


67 posted on 08/09/2008 9:17:52 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: abb
War in and of itself is horrific.

Yep. Compare Nagasaki to 'events' in Iraq that have lead to court martial. Pathetic!

When did the world come up with this limited response idea, that you're not supposed to hit the enemy back harder than they hit you?

If folks don't wake up, PC will literally be the death of us.

"If you ain't willin' to go all in, you ain't playin' to win."

68 posted on 08/09/2008 9:19:31 AM PDT by houeto ("Drill Here! Drill Now!")
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To: Zakeet

Thanks for the information that even our government isn’t willing to face or teach in statist schools.


69 posted on 08/09/2008 9:22:15 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Don't cheer for Obama too hard - the krinton syndicate is moving back into the WH.)
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To: Sefton
For those that want to see the size of the buildings built for the WWII pacific theater morgue, go to www.googlemaps.com , type in this address: 11015 Hopkins St, Mira Loma, CA, 91752 , and switch to satellite view. The nine, long buildings lined up in three rows of three are the original remaining structures, built to handle the caskets of soldiers returning from the planned land invasion of the main Islands of Japan.
70 posted on 08/09/2008 9:23:04 AM PDT by Sefton
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To: stuartcr
Sorry, I forgot to add my post was coming from a 1940’s perspective. It was unfortunate that laser guided smart bombs were not around yet but the US had to use what they possessed at the time.

Also the word celebrate should not be used in any manner such as this. Remembrance that humanity hopefully would never go this route again is better.

71 posted on 08/09/2008 9:23:44 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: libertylover
Thus ended WWII and alleviating the need to invade the island of Japan which would have cost hundreds of thousands of American lives.

And that includes Allied POWs, who I read somewhere, were dying at the rate of 1,000 per day. I use that figure when I run into those who said that the submarine war has choked off Japan's imports and they would have had to surrender "soon". They have no answer when I ask how many more thousand POWs must die while waiting for the collapse.

Then there's the story of a Jap diplomat who told an American that they surrendered because they didn't want any more bombs dropped. When told the Nagasaki bomb was our last, he said "If we'd known you had only two . . ." and then shut up, but the inference was clear they would have STILL held out.

72 posted on 08/09/2008 9:23:44 AM PDT by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Zakeet

Please note, I do not have a bone to pick in this arguement: the dropping of the second atomic bomb at Nagasaki, indirectly saved my Mother’s-(Japanese/Hometown-Place of Birth: Fukuoka) life and my Late Father-(American, was a young child, so he could not fight). What I object to strongly is the word: Happy to describe this occasion, there is nothing happy about it. Please try to understand where I am coming from, as this is a sensitive subject for me. My Mother lived through the air raids and bombings and was taught day in and day out that Americans were evil and the enemy, but hate did not cripple her mind, heart or soul for years later she married my Late Father, an American. They were married for thirty-five years and loved each other very much despite severe objections from my Late Fathers side: they did not want their only son marrying a dirty Jap. Well my Late Father loved my Mother very much, so he went against his parents wishes and married my Mother and they were happily married for thirty-five years until he passed away from a massive heart attack in 1995./Just Asking - seoul62........


73 posted on 08/09/2008 9:31:38 AM PDT by seoul62
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To: Zakeet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

"A special project code-named Maruta used human beings for experiments. Test subjects were gathered from the surrounding population and were sometimes referred to euphemistically as "logs" (丸太, maruta?).[9] This term originated as a joke on the part of the staff due to the fact that the official cover story for the facility given to the local authorities was that it was a lumber mill.[10]The test subjects were selected to give a wide cross section of the population, and included common criminals, captured bandits and anti-Japanese partisans, political prisoners, and also people rounded up by the secret police for alleged "suspicious activities" and included infants, the elderly, and pregnant women."

74 posted on 08/09/2008 9:45:37 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: rollo tomasi; AmericanInTokyo
Totally off topic, but LOVE the LA Confidential reference.

This FR post is interesting, because I recently saw an other Russell Crowe movie that had a character that had a former US Marine who had been a photographer that went in after the bomb was dropped on Nagasaki - "Rough Magic"

75 posted on 08/09/2008 9:46:58 AM PDT by Alkhin (Hope looks beyond the bounds of time...)
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To: seoul62

God bless your parents!


76 posted on 08/09/2008 9:51:33 AM PDT by Alkhin (Hope looks beyond the bounds of time...)
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To: Sefton

Thanks for the fantastic link information! How in the world did you come up with that? Are you living and working nearby? Was this information you came across at some point through somebody living back then?

I looked over the image and zoomed in close. The building certainly seem to be about WWII vintage and they would’ve held thousands and thousands of bodies. Rather grim place - I hope they warehouse more cheerful goods today.

Thanks again!


77 posted on 08/09/2008 9:53:47 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Don't cheer for Obama too hard - the krinton syndicate is moving back into the WH.)
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To: steve86
She is Seventy-Four years old and she still remembers that day as if it were yesterday. I am not making this up. She remembers going outside that day and remembers seeing a bright flashing sun. As an eleven year old child, what was she to make of it, this is what she saw and what she experienced. Did you live my Mother's life, do you know what she went through? She stands by what she says and she does not glorify bombs as you snidely and smugly assert. I do not like how you came across, okay-capice????? I have dealt with your type: arrogant, condescending, little twits all my life: college, parties and work place and my parting to you: TALK TO THE HAND, TALK TO THE HAND!!!!!!!!/Just Asking - seoul62...........
78 posted on 08/09/2008 9:55:24 AM PDT by seoul62
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To: Alkhin

Thank you, you are welcome./Just Asking - seoul62.......


79 posted on 08/09/2008 9:58:26 AM PDT by seoul62
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To: seoul62

YOU ARE NUTS. I SAID NONE OF THE THINGS YOU ARE ACCUSING ME OF. JUST THE OPPOSITE.


80 posted on 08/09/2008 10:00:39 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: steve86

My sincerest apologies, this is a very sensitive subject to me and my Mother is very dear to me and she went through alot. My half Irish temper got the best of me, again my deepest apologies to you./Just Asking - seoul62......


81 posted on 08/09/2008 10:10:12 AM PDT by seoul62
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To: seoul62

Best wishes to your mother. You completely misunderstood my comment.


82 posted on 08/09/2008 10:57:30 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: steve86

Steve86, thank you for your kind understanding and wishes for my Mother./Just Asking - seoul62......


83 posted on 08/09/2008 4:02:44 PM PDT by seoul62
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To: usmcobra
Yes, an invasion, full scale of Japan, would have been absolutely disastrous for both American troops and so many civilians in Japan, down to old men, women and babies. There can be no doubt about that.

It was horrific enough as it was. The human death toll in those two cities bombed was horrendous, even worse in Tokyo with the firebombings. This would have also only been an entree for even more huge civilian casualties if the War Cabinet had not been brought to their knees. The leaders in Tokyo were no friend to the average Japanese, starving and scared shitless, who just wanted that damned war to end. Thank goodness many of their leaders who took Japan down that path, were later hanged in Sugamo.

84 posted on 08/09/2008 5:35:12 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Men Who Died in Wars For Our Voting Rights Also Did So For The Right To Vote Indie-Conservative?)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Unwittingly, perhaps, you proved my point. Thanks for posting that.


85 posted on 08/09/2008 5:37:16 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Men Who Died in Wars For Our Voting Rights Also Did So For The Right To Vote Indie-Conservative?)
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To: rollo tomasi

Still sounds relative to me.


86 posted on 08/09/2008 7:26:43 PM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Thank-you for post, finally some sanity after 34 posts.
87 posted on 08/09/2008 7:34:09 PM PDT by murphE (I refuse to choose evil, even if it is the lesser of two)
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To: Sefton; potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP; Grampa Dave; snippy_about_it; alfa6; ...
Planning was intensive as the invasion became ever more imminent. Operation Downfall: The Planned Assault on Japan

Barry Farber on his program today indicated the U.S. did not go beyond the unconditional surrender in the fashion common to the history of war.

To the contrary, the U.S. stood up Japan as a democracy and assisted its economic rise to prominence.

It may well serve as the critical countervailing force--with South Korea and India--to PRC aggression.

88 posted on 08/09/2008 9:10:52 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo

Oh my gosh, I had long forgotten it happened on August 9th!!
Betty Boop’s birthday too, of all silly things.

Thank you for your kind good wishes Phil.

Heading for bed!


89 posted on 08/09/2008 9:40:47 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: potlatch; devolve; PhilDragoo

Happy Birthday/Nagasaki Day. What a combination. I hope your day was better than theirs.


90 posted on 08/09/2008 10:11:46 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: PhilDragoo

bump Phil !!!


91 posted on 08/09/2008 10:44:01 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (McRINO needs reach across the aisle to Conservatives for a CHANGE! Dang him!!!)
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To: murphE
A Christian upbringing will do that to you.

Thank you.

92 posted on 08/10/2008 1:42:46 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Men Who Died in Wars For Our Voting Rights Also Did So For The Right To Vote Indie-Conservative?)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Only in your own mind... the reality of my post escapes you... but I do understand why you feel the way that you do. At least you were civil during our posts... thank you.

LLS


93 posted on 08/10/2008 6:17:55 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( press)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
BTW, I have another deceased Uncle (in law) that survived the Bataan Death March and years of torture in captivity. I will be happy to educate you on the evil that our Nation was fighting at the time. Like I said earlier, today's Japan would not exist if we had not done what we did... and that in itself is justification for everything we were forced to do.

LLS

94 posted on 08/10/2008 6:24:46 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( press)
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To: stuartcr
Big difference just from a self defense standpoint.

Was America the aggressor?

Who started the war?

Who raped China?

Who dropped malaria bombs on China?

Who was defeated materially but refused to surrender and promised to fight till the death, including Japanese civilians the allies would come across (Emperor's "orders", through a military puppet regime)?

Who expected 500,000/1,000,000 (Conservative estimates) of deaths from Operation Olympic/Coronet?

Who was planning Operation Ketsugo?

Did you read my post?

Is your screen name stuartcr?

All sound like truth to me.
95 posted on 08/10/2008 3:51:52 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: stuartcr
Sorry, materially= militarily, but it is all just relative anyways.
96 posted on 08/10/2008 3:54:40 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

When things happen, is true...why things happen, is relative.


97 posted on 08/10/2008 6:14:49 PM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: abb; 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten; 359Henrie; 6323cd; 75thOVI; ACelt; Adrastus; A message; AZamericonnie; ..

Military history ping


98 posted on 08/10/2008 6:28:54 PM PDT by indcons (People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news. - A. J. Liebling)
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To: abb
I love the Japanese people and I say it had to be done. Those bombs saved potentially millions of people.
99 posted on 08/10/2008 6:40:26 PM PDT by Tolkien (Grace is the Essence of the Gospel; Gratitude is the Essence of Ethics.)
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To: abb
Frank is an excellent writer. Downfall really makes clear the number of lives saved by the bombs, not just American and Japanese but also Chinese, Indonesian, Vietnamese, etc. In every country the Japanese still occupied in August 1945 countless lives were saved by forcing the Japanese to a quicker surrender than invasion and/or blockade would have accomplished.

I highly recommend his Guadalcanal too.

100 posted on 08/10/2008 8:33:23 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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