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Silence on Georgia
Toledo Blade ^ | August 16, 2008 | Jack Kelly

Posted on 08/16/2008 7:08:16 AM PDT by elhombrelibre

DID YOU see the huge crowd outside the Russian embassy protesting the war in Georgia?

Neither did I. Now that we have a genuine war of aggression, the silence on the Left is deafening.

"You might think, at a moment such as this, that the moral calculus would be pretty well understood," the Washington Post said in an editorial Thursday. "Russian troops are occupying large swaths of Georgia, a tiny neighboring country, and sacking its military bases. Russian jets have roamed the Georgian skies, bombing civilian and military targets alike. Russian ships are said to be controlling Georgia's port of Poti, while militia under Russia's control reportedly massacre Georgian civilians. Yet in Washington, the foreign policy sophisticates cluck and murmur that, after all, the Georgians should have known better than to chart an independent course."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: georgia; russiantroops
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To: Travis McGee

Don’t forget the Charles Lindbergh wannabe types too.


41 posted on 08/16/2008 8:50:21 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Obama: vain, mercurial, inexperienced, aloof, condescending, doctrinaire, and Reverend Wright's son.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Plus tens of thousands of Russian emigrees to the USA over the last 20 years, with seriously doubtful devotion to freedom.

Most Russians love a “strong Czar,” it’s in their national makeup.

Even many of those who fled Soviet Communism (or said that they did) support these thuggish Russian actions.


42 posted on 08/16/2008 8:55:03 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee

Yes, and who was it that looked into Putin’s eyes and saw a decent honorable almost angelic persona. Bush has been a miserable judge of character as well as a judge of associates in the White House, i.e., Gonzales, Myers, McClellan.


43 posted on 08/16/2008 8:57:50 AM PDT by brydic1
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To: brydic1

You’re not kidding.


44 posted on 08/16/2008 8:58:52 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: girlangler

Thanks for the ping, Girl.

I think a few bus loads of the Hollywood elite antiwar nutjobs should be added to those you named and given free transportation to Georgia to assist in making sure the Russians live up to their cease fire and exit from Georgia.

Surely those Russians that are looting and killing civilians would listen to them, wouldn’t they?


45 posted on 08/16/2008 9:06:26 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: elhombrelibre

There was a decent protest in Montreal.


46 posted on 08/16/2008 10:22:59 AM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: brydic1

Take that argument one step further. Is Tibet now an integral part of China? Is Taiwan independent of China because it has not been an integral part of the mainland for many years?

In truth, both Ossetia and Abkhazia were intentionally put into Georgia by Stalin to divide and control them. The Ossetians have a claim for reunification, just as Germany did.

Abkhazia is far more complicated, as it was both a part of Georgia and an autonomous republic under Stalin. One of Stalin’s secret police chiefs, Beria, encouraged Georgians to move there. Later, the Armenians and their church encouraged Armenia emigration there.

So the largest minority is not Georgian, but Armenian.

The devil is in the details of autonomy, however. Since 1991, both areas have split off from Georgia. But all this does is make “de jure” what had been “de facto” for many years. The Georgians didn’t rule them before, and they don’t want the Georgians to rule them now.

I will also add that there are enclaves like this all over the region, with lots of the same and similar problems. Chunks of other countries that are occupied by large number of people from adjacent countries.

But unlike the situation in California, where there are just “a lot of Mexicans”, the divisions are far deeper. Had California been an independent place not under US federal law for many decades, or even worse, under Mexican law, even if not policed by the government of Mexico, we would find ourselves in a similar situation.

That is, if the US government hadn’t ruled California since WWII, the vast majority of the people who lived there were Mexicans, and they used Mexican law and spoke Spanish, what right would the US government to now say they want to rule California?


47 posted on 08/16/2008 10:50:08 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

As for the Mexican populated counties along the US-Mexico border, it would be like lifting a burder to US taxpayers if they somehow demanded and were awarded their independence or integration with Mexico. I would willingly give money to their cause provided, of course, we put a long moat filled with crocs along their north border.


48 posted on 08/16/2008 11:05:17 AM PDT by brydic1
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To: elhombrelibre

Anyone surprised that the “peace” crowd doesn’t care about Russian aggression is a fool. The “peace” crowd is about anti-Amercanism, anti-capitalism, and pro-communism, not peace. Why would they protest the resurgence of their idols/masters, the KGB and authoritarian Russia?


49 posted on 08/16/2008 11:54:58 AM PDT by piytar
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To: A_perfect_lady

Your welcome, I know it wasn’t much help, but anything I tell you would be only what I’ve heard. You just need to go out and read as much as you can and make up your own mind.

susie


50 posted on 08/16/2008 1:06:39 PM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Jimmy Carter's Second Term)
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To: elhombrelibre

LOL.

I doubt these types do too much fishing, they are probably all vegetarians, since they couldn’t fanthom killing or eating what one AR activist told me once is “anything with a face.”

Of course the AR activist that said that had on leather shoes, and sat on leather seats in her Mercedes. She also has probably used some medication developed through animal testing.


51 posted on 08/16/2008 1:48:48 PM PDT by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Yes I remember Sean Penn taking the boat out to save Katrina stranded NO folks. It was probably his first time ever in a boat, and he forgot the plug DUH!!!!

That moment was priceless!!!


52 posted on 08/16/2008 1:51:45 PM PDT by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: elhombrelibre

Silence from the left. After all you don’t expect Lenin’s useful idiots to be out on the streets demonstrating against their age old masters.


53 posted on 08/16/2008 4:17:19 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter was our best choice...Now we are left with a bunch of idiots.)
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To: girlangler
One can juncture up images of how BHO and his staff must have felt when they got wind of the bear's moves on the little nation of Georgia. Now the bear's eating habits are back in world news. The bear has no place to hide from it's orgy.
And the socialists in this country have to keep their big mouths shut in fear of getting slammed in the chops.
54 posted on 08/16/2008 4:23:45 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter was our best choice...Now we are left with a bunch of idiots.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Protest? The American left? They are more likely quietly toasting a glorious Russian victory. They’d lost hope in their Ruskie overlords, and this event has shown them that all hope in their leftist-totalitarian utopia is not lost. 8-8 will be celebrated by American leftists for years to come as a new holiday to remember the day the benevolent Russian “peacekeepers” threw off the oppressive shackles of imperialist Georgia.


55 posted on 08/16/2008 5:27:29 PM PDT by smedley64 (UHbUHmUH- The incoherent candidate.)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Honorable Marine Uncle,

The bear has been challenging the U.S. for decades.

They are complicit (sp) in Saddam Hussein’s plans to achieve bio and chemical weapons before he was toppled, and are now involved with Hugo Chavez, and Iran’s plans.

I don’t understand what President Bush meant when he said he looked in Putin’s eyes and saw a friend. I see an enemy.

I might as well say right now, I am no military expert, historian, and didn’t even stay at a Holiday Inn Express lately.

But something in my gut tells me the winds of war are blowing. No matter what world opinion is — which politicians tell us we must consider in a “global” world, economy — we still are the most resourceful, productive, and enlightened country. We are dependent on oil from our sworn enemies, and we have enemies within that want our demise hastened.

I am sure our forebearers have seen similar situations. Sure, because I know men and women who lived through it, who had brothers, sisters, Mothers, Dads, who gave their lives to defend the freedoms we enjoy here in the U.S. We have also freed many other people over the globe, and paid a heavy price.

We’ll do it again, if necessary.

I am SO happy to see we have citizen reporters at the Dem convention. The average American today could care less about what happens, as long as we have free, govt. services. The ones who (could potentially) vote need to see firsthand who stands for what.

Like I told another poster, we have wars both on the homefront, and on foreign soil. We need both U.S. fronts to win.


56 posted on 08/16/2008 6:05:21 PM PDT by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: girlangler
Your salutation is most kind, but I assure you I have to battle with life's challenges and fall short of being addressed as honorable. However. On the rest of your well written statement. You got my vote.
Our brave new America full of half morons and worse just may not be up to the tasks those that came before us where able to contend with.
I speak with few people of all ages and talent sets that seem to be aware of just how dangerous the Russian leadership, and pseudo leadership really is. So few are steeped in history. And few seem competent to comprehend the real threat these jerks continue to represent.
I am sure many of us wonder if this nation can appreciate the need for a strong president that is fully mindful of what the Soviets represent in the reality of things.
It should be a no brainer this November that McCain should win by a gross landslide. The RINO he is on so many issues has to take second place in this juncture in time.
I hope more of our conservative base see this is not the time to punish the Republican party.
Putin and his criminals have given us a mandate.
How will the voting public side.
57 posted on 08/16/2008 7:24:40 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter was our best choice...Now we are left with a bunch of idiots.)
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To: Travis McGee

Not true. Russian forces have occupied the Georgian territories since the early nineties, years before the Kosovo conflict. Kosovo is just an excuse.


58 posted on 08/16/2008 9:29:54 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Of course Kosovo is an excuse. One we stupidly handed Putin on a platter.


59 posted on 08/16/2008 9:45:02 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: elhombrelibre
"This emphasis on domestic politics is a product of cowardice as well as self absorption. If blame can be laid on Mr. Saakashvili or Mr. McCain, then maybe there isn't a vicious, hungry, nuclear-armed bear prowling the woods.

Cowardice and self-absorption are unlovely qualities in themselves. Combined, they're deadly. Because in the real world, the United States faces dangers greater than the election of Republicans."


So true!

Oh...one more thing.


"Mr. Scheer is a moonbat."


Yep. ;o)

60 posted on 08/16/2008 9:56:36 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Between Barack and a hard place...)
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