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Rick Warren: Vanity

Posted on 08/16/2008 10:31:29 AM PDT by Chong

I received an email from my pastor about Rick Warren's interview with "those two" on CNN and also received another email from an old timer freeper FRiend warning me about Rick Warren.

Please share with me what you know about this man and what he stands for (without in-fighting if you can? 'Cause you are not going to change anybody's mind by arguing?)

Gotta go run some errands but will check back in when I come back, so don't think I am being rude by not replying right away.

Thanks.


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1 posted on 08/16/2008 10:31:30 AM PDT by Chong
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To: Chong; Gamecock; P-Marlowe; Alex Murphy; xzins; Dr. Eckleburg

There are volumes of threads in the Religion Forum about Rick Warren. Suggest you take a peak over there. Always wise on FR to do a subject search first. I’m just sayin’...

Pinging a few folks who might be able to point you to the current discussion.


2 posted on 08/16/2008 10:33:55 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (http://dontgomovement.com/)
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To: Corin Stormhands

Thanks.


3 posted on 08/16/2008 10:35:02 AM PDT by Chong (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: Chong

When I come back, I will do some search. Didn’t realize that there were discussion threads about him here. Been too busy to come here as often as I used to.


4 posted on 08/16/2008 10:37:20 AM PDT by Chong (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: Chong

I posted the following a short time ago on another thread.

Lets see. Rick Warren has sold 35 million copies of his book “The Purpose Driven Life”. Good for him. He has an Email newsletter that is sent to 180,000 religious leaders, decimating his thoughts on a multitude of topics and subjects matter. Okay. Warren is also well known for advancing certain issues beyond traditional religious ministries. Hmmm.

Sounds like progressive preaching with a purpose driven agenda, front and center.

What I find troubling, is how can Rick Warren invite someone to his ministry, who professes to be a man of faith, yet condones and promotes abortion on demand. Its a total disconnect for me. Btw, this will be Obama’s second visit to see Warren.


5 posted on 08/16/2008 10:39:41 AM PDT by Reagan Man ( McCain Wants My Vote --- this conservative is ambivalent to the odious Johnny Mac)
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To: Chong
Warren says he is going to get "Faith in Public Life" to help him come up with the questions to ask McCain and Obama. Who is "Faith in Public Life"?From the link:

Jim Wallis is America's foremost spokesman for the Religious Left. Bob Edgar, of course, is the former head of the National Council of Churches. Catherine Pinkerton sits on the Obama campaign's Catholic Advisory Council. Anybody see a pattern here? Just to drive the point home, consider the boards of directors and advisors of the FLP, which include such luminaries as: Story Continues Below Ad ↓

*Board of Directors president Meg Rlley, Director of Advocacy and Witness for the Unitarian-Universalist Fellowship.

*Elizabeth Letzler, member of the PCUSA's Mission Responsibility Through Investment committee and the Israel-Palestine Network (i.e., an Israel divestment proponent). She's also been "deeply involved" with FaithAmerica.org, an NCC outfit.

*Nazir Khaja, a Muslim leader who also sits on the board of the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Rights.

*Fred Rotondaro, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, run by Bill Clinton's ex-chief of staff John Podesta, which is basically a Democratic Party research organization.

*Susan Thistlethwaite, president of the UCC's Chicago Seminary, well-known to readers of this blog for her contributions to the Washington Post's "On Faith" column.

*Jim Winkler, General Secretary of the United Methodist Church's General Board of Church and Society, who also sits on the board (with Communist Party USA leader Judith LeBlanc) of the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation.

So don't really expect serious questions related to faith and Christianity. These people are more interested in gay rights and abortion rights than evangelism.

—Ken Shepherd is Managing Editor of NewsBusters

6 posted on 08/16/2008 10:47:45 AM PDT by Snurple
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To: Reagan Man
I have also been wondering similar thoughts in recent months. Are there two Rick Warrens ? “The Purpose Driven Life” seems real {genuine} enough. I thought it was a helpful study.

Another explanation could be that the guy has changed, or that media reports on his activities are less than accurate. The latter is probably least likely.

7 posted on 08/16/2008 10:49:09 AM PDT by labette ( Humble student of Thinkology)
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To: Chong

Christ, which will likely make him unpopular with just about everyone depending on the issue.


8 posted on 08/16/2008 10:50:27 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: labette
Another explanation could be that the guy has changed, or that media reports on his activities are less than accurate. The latter is probably least likely.

That's a first.....

9 posted on 08/16/2008 10:51:44 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Congress would steal the nickels off a dead man's eye's...............)
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To: labette

I read (sorry, no source) that he will be asking an abortion-related question of McCain/Obama today after all.

Who knows the nature of the question? I guess we’ll see.

It seems to me he wants to be the next “go-to” guy for “evangelical” opinion. That’s just my impression.

I don’t have a problem with a pastor meeting with Obama, or Achmedinijad, or Charles Manson for that matter. However I don’t like what Rick Warren is doing today, as it seems to be an endorsement, a sort of a “both guys are the same, both are acceptable” message.


10 posted on 08/16/2008 10:52:36 AM PDT by Marie2 (Everything the left does has the effect and intent of destroying the traditional family.)
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To: Reagan Man
........decimating his thoughts on a multitude of topics and subjects matter.

Totally wiped them out?

11 posted on 08/16/2008 10:54:50 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Congress would steal the nickels off a dead man's eye's...............)
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To: Chong
Rick Warren—a self-promoting purveyor of spiritual snakeoil.
12 posted on 08/16/2008 10:56:04 AM PDT by attiladhun2 (Obama is the anti-Reagan, instead of opposing the world's tyrants, he wants to embrace them)
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To: Reagan Man
I doubt that Warrens thoughts have ever been decimated, though they no doubt have been widely disseminated (darn spellchecker, eh?).

Anyway I don't see a problem with him inviting both candidates to his church to discuss issues, religious or otherwise. What better way than to expose Obama’s real views than an hour of unscripted Q&A before people who really do take these issues seriously, instead of the usual perfunctory interviews and scripted answers from the drive by media and staged debates?

13 posted on 08/16/2008 10:56:17 AM PDT by Hugin (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: Chong; Gamecock; P-Marlowe; Alex Murphy; xzins; Dr. Eckleburg; Corin Stormhands; blue-duncan; ...
Cause you are not going to change anybody's mind by arguing?

So you change people's minds by... what? ...exactly?

Agreeing with them?

14 posted on 08/16/2008 10:56:47 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Marie2

Bingo.


15 posted on 08/16/2008 10:58:51 AM PDT by labette ( Humble student of Thinkology)
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To: Reagan Man
Guys like Rick Warren and Olsten are making the most radical pro-abort Democrats acceptable to evangelicals. I have no use for his purpose-driven life agenda, which is really theological liberalism dressed-up for the post-modern world. I prefer the novel approach of studying scripture, doctrine, and apologetics for myself
16 posted on 08/16/2008 11:01:26 AM PDT by attiladhun2 (Obama is the anti-Reagan, instead of opposing the world's tyrants, he wants to embrace them)
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To: Chong

What is most clear about Rick Warren, and paramount to what you need to know about him is: Rick Warren is ALL about Rick Warren.


17 posted on 08/16/2008 11:05:17 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Marie2
It seems to me he wants to be the next “go-to” guy for “evangelical” opinion.

Billy Graham is getting old, ya' know.

18 posted on 08/16/2008 11:07:30 AM PDT by BipolarBob (I overinflate my tires, so the gas fairy will fill my tank.)
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To: Snurple

A am no big fan of Warren, but:

Warren did email religious leaders, the ones I know of are not lefties by any stretch of imagination, asking them to submit questions he would consider using tonight.

One other thing, Warren is a Christian and believes in the same triune God Christians on FR believe in, regardless of those with whom he may associate and minister. Christians need to stop beating up each other.


19 posted on 08/16/2008 11:15:01 AM PDT by elpadre (nation)
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To: Hugin

Oops. Spellchecker did its job. We all have a brain fart now and then.

I don’t see a problem having both candidates sit down and discuss any issues. That part of politics is good. However, inviting a pro-abortion candidate to his house of worship, isn’t an appealing aspect of Warren’s faith. Not something I’d do.

My point was, I see Warren as a new age religious leader, with a progressive ministry based on a liberal agenda. Many people have compared him to Billy Graham and Robert Schuller. I don’t think he measures up to either man.


20 posted on 08/16/2008 11:15:27 AM PDT by Reagan Man ( McCain Wants My Vote --- this conservative is ambivalent to the odious Johnny Mac)
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