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Editorial: At the Saddleback Forum, Senator McCain and Pastor Warren took the Gold
Catholic Online ^ | 8/17/08 | Deacon Keith Fournier

Posted on 08/17/2008 6:42:59 AM PDT by tcg

Senator Barack Obama miserably failed the test concerning the foundational world view issue. Without the right to life, there are no other rights. Rights attach to persons and abortion kills little persons. Without the freedom to be born, there are no other freedoms. When Senator Obama was asked about the humanity of the child in the womb, he said that such a question was “above his pay grade”. Oh, he then blathered on about their being a “moral and ethical” dimension to the issue. However, he then stated unequivocally “I am pro-choice, I believe in Roe v Wade”. He mouthed something about reducing abortions but the utter clarity of the moment was the highlight of the evening. The pastor, this man of purpose, followed through with this question, ”Have you ever voted to limit abortions”? Barack Obama was, for the first time in my viewing, at a loss for words. Because the truth is now out there and he knew he could not lie about it.

Senator John McCain on the other hand, hit a home run in the eyes of people like me who insist that the issue of respecting the dignity of every human life from the womb to the tomb is not a “single issue” but rather a “World View” issue in Pastor Warren’s terminology. The same question was posed to him, “At what point is a baby entitled to human rights”. John McCain’s answer came without any hesitation. Obviously such an incredibly important answer was not above “his pay grade”. He said it with conviction, “From the moment of conception”. He continued on by affirming to the Pastor, to all those assembled and to the thousands watching, that he has a 25 year record of being Pro-life and that he will be a Pro-life President...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; abortion; election; electionpresident; elections; mccain; obama; saddleback
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To: Neoliberalnot

I agree about the Veep spot - McCain needs to pick a solid conservative and possibly a woman. Sarah Palin has been mentioned and would be an awesome choice. I am not thrilled that the senator from Texas would be a possibility (Kay Bailey Hutchison). He needs to go young, smart, and ACCEPTABLE TO THE BASE REPUBLICAN PARTY! Plus, if he picks Gov Palin from Alaska, she would be an excellent supporter of FINALLY DRILLING IN ANWR - what a great representative to have presiding over the senate!


41 posted on 08/17/2008 7:33:13 AM PDT by princess leah
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To: o_zarkman44

Oh no, he did very very well in that forum! He was about as non-biased as you could get and I don’t think he lobbed any softballs to Obama, he asked the same questions as far as I know.

I’m just saying he doesn’t fit with the Christian pastor in the traditional Christian church. That’s just my opinion as a Christian. I do think that the Purpose Driven Life was a good model to live by though.


42 posted on 08/17/2008 7:39:22 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: Hardastarboard
There is ONE but he serves without pay.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

43 posted on 08/17/2008 7:42:50 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: tcg

Outstanding article! I, too, was pleasantly surprised by the performance of the Rev. Warren and also vey pleased with McCain.
Obama was a joke. He’s quickly becoming a farce.
Too bad most people were probably watching the Olympics.


44 posted on 08/17/2008 7:44:16 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: Thank You Rush

Probably since he could not name all the SCJ. Thomas is a traitor in his mind.


45 posted on 08/17/2008 7:45:39 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“Too bad there was little publicity about this program. I would liked to have watched.”

Hope you see this in time - it will be on again tonight (Sunday) on CNN at 7-9pm Central Time, 11-1 am and 2-4 am. CNN had been advertising it for a couple of weeks, but last night it was also on cspan and fox news channel. Maybe you can catch it tonight. And yes, I also felt that McCain won this one big. Obama’s answers were long, weasely, and lawerly. McCain’s were so short and direct that Rick Warren had time to ask him several MORE questions, unlike Obama who ate up so much time with his long rhetoric.


46 posted on 08/17/2008 7:45:51 AM PDT by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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To: o_zarkman44
Warren offered no opinions. What I saw of the interview was an outstanding question and answer session that touched on everything that matters.

I thought Warren did well in the interview. I wish he had asked about illegal immigration - if he did I missed it. People that read my posts know that I do not like John McCain - but I will admit that he did well last night - and that Obama performed "abominably".

Since the interview took place in a church, I'm sure both candidates tailored their responses to that crowd. McCain said what conservatives would want to hear. I'm still reserving my judgment for him as a candidate, based on who he picks for VP & what he says from this point out. His answers were short & direct - almost bordering on canned answers. I think he was well-prepped for it. I still think actions speak louder than words, so we'll see.

47 posted on 08/17/2008 7:46:23 AM PDT by alicewonders (I'm a conservative, and I'm hated by the GOP & the Dems - I must be doing something right!)
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To: tcg; wagglebee; narses; Salvation; NYer
Paging Doug Kmiec... Please pick up the white courtesy telephone.
48 posted on 08/17/2008 7:47:02 AM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: longtermmemmory
Notice how Obama tilts his head when speaking. That must mean something in body language. No eye to eye contact unless you tilt your head as well.
49 posted on 08/17/2008 7:49:08 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: Tax-chick

“I’ve been surprised by how many people didn’t know that B.O. supported infanticide.”

While most know that BHO’s “pro-choice”, few probably know that he supports partial-birth aborton OR what that grisly procedure entails AND fewer yet realize that he also is for killing or deliberately allowing a newborn survivor of aborton to die immediately following its birth.


50 posted on 08/17/2008 7:51:10 AM PDT by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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To: right wing

I remember he said Souter, Ginsberg and Breyer.


51 posted on 08/17/2008 7:58:30 AM PDT by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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To: Skooz

Not a fan of Warren, but I thought he did a great job. In fact, he should be the moderator of the upcoming Fall debates. He’s much better that most of the media hacks.


52 posted on 08/17/2008 8:00:17 AM PDT by ShandaLear (Barack Obama, he is the Kwisatz Haderach!)
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To: tcg

Anybody watching that interview will realize that Maverick won the election last night.

He was funny and his stories were incredible. I have never liked the man for his backstabbing ways, but he has walked the walk that few men have done and I can’t shine his shoes. I will be proud to vote for Maverick.

Pray for W and Our Troops


53 posted on 08/17/2008 8:03:05 AM PDT by bray (Drill Congress!!)
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To: longtermmemmory

“Warren’s softballs to obama and visible frustration at his missing them means he wanted “his man” to win”.

Great observation. Glad it wasn’t just me who felt that. Yes, I’ve not been impressed with Rick Warren - have heard him on many shows and he’s very liberal. Much more secular than religious.


54 posted on 08/17/2008 8:07:09 AM PDT by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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To: tcg

People who are pro-abortion never know how to answer the question of when life or human rights or however you want to word it begins. To them it is a trick question; the answer is obvious but then they would have to admit they support murder.


55 posted on 08/17/2008 8:10:45 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: o_zarkman44

I don’t know much about Warren, but I have to give him credit for doing what the media in all its years has never done, i.e. asking the same questions of the candidates and letting them answer. The biggest gripe I have with media is that it always asks Republicans questions that have a pro-Dem slant and bias...not so last night.

We could truly see the two men and compare them, apples to apples..

McCain was incredibly animated, informed, passionate and clear in his answers

Not So Obama


56 posted on 08/17/2008 8:28:25 AM PDT by t2buckeye
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To: o_zarkman44
So does that disqualify Warren as a credible interviewer? Warren offered no opinions. What I saw of the interview was an outstanding question and answer session that touched on everything that matters.

A rare commodity today.

He should audition for Tim Russert's old job.

57 posted on 08/17/2008 8:30:37 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan
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To: o_zarkman44

“What I saw of the interview was an outstanding question and answer session that touched on everything that matters.”

I DID really like (and had heard this in advance) that the identical questions were asked of each candidate, and they were relevent ones, worded the same way.

As I said, because McCain’s answers were more concise and direct, it left time for still more questions to be asked of him. I’m sure that, once again, BHO was just running down the clock - like pelosi and reid did before a 5 week recess. Guess he thought he was back on the basketball court.


58 posted on 08/17/2008 8:32:06 AM PDT by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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To: longtermmemmory
Warren’s softballs to obama

Both candidates were asked the exact same questions. McCain had a few extras asked of him because his answers were clear and concise. NObama's answers were meandering and long-winded and limited the actual number of questions asked.
59 posted on 08/17/2008 8:48:40 AM PDT by ninergold3 (Christ would not vote for Barack Obama...Alan Keyes)
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To: t2buckeye
I don't like Warren's church; I read "Purpose Driven Life" and came away disappointed that Warren projects his own gregarious look-at-me do-gooderism as a moral obligation all Christians should embrace (I like "do your alms in secret"); and I don't like McCain.

But I DO like that apparently, Warren formatted the talk such that the candidates were secluded from hearing each others' answers. THAT was brilliant. I'm surprised that the thing went off as well as it did, and am eating some crow here -- Warren did well, and so did McCain I STILL don't trust McCain, though. Looks like another Arnold to me.

60 posted on 08/17/2008 8:50:25 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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