Posted on 08/20/2008 10:46:53 PM PDT by cpforlife.org
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This was on Jill Stanek’s website so she deserves all the credit. There is a great deal of transcripts there at that link below. I don't know if any other pages illustrate Obama inhumane positions.
http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/02/links_to_barack.html
It's in PDF and I cannot get the text to copy to paste the highlights. I'll try again. Obama starts his madness on page 84.
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Again to clarify:
Here is the link directly to the transcript:
http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf
And here is the Jill Stanek link I originally found it on with Barry’s whole history on this and lots more IL gov. documents.
http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/02/links_to_barack.html
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
SENATOR OBAMA:
This bill was fairly extensively debated in the Judiciary
Committee, and so I won’t belabor the issue. I do want to just
make sure that everybody in the Senate knows what this bill is
about, as I understand it. Senator O’Malley, the testimony during
the committee indicated that one of the key concerns was is
that there was a method of abortion, an induced abortion, where
the the fetus or child, as as some might describe it, is
still temporarily alive outside the womb. And one of the concerns
that came out in the testimony was the fact that they were not
being properly cared for during that brief period of time that
they were still living. Is that correct? Is that an accurate
sort of description of one of the key concerns in the bill?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL)
Senator O’Malley.
SENATOR O’MALLEY:
Senator Obama, it is certainly a key concern that the the
way children are treated following their birth under these
85
= Page 85 =
STATE OF ILLINOIS
92ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY
REGULAR SESSION
SENATE TRANSCRIPT
20th Legislative Day March 30, 2001
circumstances has been reported to be, without question, in my
opinion, less than humane, and so this bill suggests that
appropriate steps be taken to treat that baby as a a citizen of
the United States and afforded all the rights and protections it
deserves under the Constitution of the United States.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL)
Senator Obama.
SENATOR OBAMA:
Well, it turned out that during the testimony a number of
members who are typically in favor of a woman’s right to choose an
abortion were actually sympathetic to some of the concerns that
your you raised and that were raised by witnesses in the
testimony. And there was some suggestion that we might be able to
craft something that might meet constitutional muster with respect
to caring for fetuses or children who were delivered in this
fashion. Unfortunately, this bill goes a little bit further, and
so I just want to suggest, not that I think it’ll make too much
difference with respect to how we vote, that this is probably not
going to survive constitutional scrutiny. Number one, whenever we
define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the
equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution,
what we’re really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that
are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to
a a child, a ninemonthold child that was delivered to
term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by
a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it it
would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection
clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a
child, then this would be an antiabortion statute. For that
purpose, I think it would probably be found unconstitutional. The
second reason that it would probably be found unconstitutional is
that this essentially says that a doctor is required to provide
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= Page 86 =
STATE OF ILLINOIS
92ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY
REGULAR SESSION
SENATE TRANSCRIPT
20th Legislative Day March 30, 2001
treatment to a previable child, or fetus, however way you want to
describe it. Viability is the line that has been drawn by the
Supreme Court to determine whether or not an abortion can or
cannot take place. And if we’re placing a burden on the doctor
that says you have to keep alive even a previable child as long as
possible and give them as much medical attention as as is
necessary to try to keep that child alive, then we’re probably
crossing the line in terms of unconstitutionality. Now, as I said
before, this probably won’t make any difference. I recall the
last time we had a debate about abortion, we passed a bill out of
here. I suggested to Members of the Judiciary Committee that it
was unconstitutional and it would be struck down by the Seventh
Circuit. It was. I recognize this is a passionate issue, and so I
I won’t, as I said, belabor the point. I think it’s important
to recognize though that this is an area where potentially we
might have compromised and and arrived at a bill that dealt
with the narrow concerns about how a a previable fetus or child
was treated by a hospital. We decided not to do that. We’re
going much further than that in this bill. As a consequence, I
think that we will probably end up in court once again, as we
often do, on this issue. And as a consequence, I’ll be voting
Present.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL)
Further discussion? If not, Senator O’Malley, to close.
SENATOR O’MALLEY:
Thank you, Madam President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the
Senate. The one thing the previous speaker did say is that this
is a passionate issue. And however, I don’t think it’s
challengeable on constitutional grounds in the manner that was
described. This is essentially very simple. The Constitution
does not say that a child born must be viable in order to live and
be accorded the rights of citizenship. It simply says it must be
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= Page 87 =
STATE OF ILLINOIS
92ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY
REGULAR SESSION
SENATE TRANSCRIPT
20th Legislative Day March 30, 2001
born. And a child who survives birth is a U.S. citizen, and we
need to do everything we can here in the State of Illinois and,
frankly, in the other fortynine states and in the halls of
Washington, D.C., to make sure that we secure and protect those
rights. So if this legislation is designed to clarify, resecure
and reaffirm the rights that are entitled to a child born in
America, so be it, and it is constitutional. I would appreciate
your support.
Transcript of Obama’s verbal opposition to Born Alive on the IL Senate floor, April 4, 2002, pages 28-35
http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST040402.pdf
Again from the Stanek link above.
As I understand it. Barry is the only Senator of either party to speak against this legislation. Twice. The third year he was chairman and killed it in his committee.
Awesome! How’d you do that?
Went to Google. Typed convert pdf to text. Downloaded program. Ran it.
Done.
Always ask Google. Bumps up your online IQ!
Oh yes. In my rush I forgot about that. Can you do the rest to p 90 where he talks about the “burden”?
Now would be a ripe moment to contact Gianna Jessen and get her back out in the public eye.
I'm pretty sure he didn't sit there in a conundrum scratching his head saying, "Well, I'm not sure...this is above my pay grade."
WHAT A FREAKING INDUSTRIAL-STRENGTH DOOFUS.
“Burden” comment is on Page 87, listed above in my post.
*now, go download your conversion tool! You know how!
He makes me ill. He seems pretty confident of his pay-grade here doesn’t he?
“fetus or child, as — as some might describe it..”
“child or fetus, however way you want to describe it..”
And he has two beautiful little girls.. would he ever refer to either of them as “it” or “however you want to describe it” .. ?
His scales are showing. Cold blooded, belly crawling, bottom feeding, glowing example of liberal slime.
Dear Lord.
I have both the urge to go take a shower, and hug my daughter repeatedly, and not necessarily in that order.
Obama has said he doesn't want to punish her with a baby.
That is great to know. I have long lamented the inability to copy and paste from pdfs.
Dear Lord in Heaven, please do NOT let this man get anywhere NEAR the White House!
This makes my skin crawl.
If this is a child?? Seriously, what else is "it"--a reptile?? Go home, Barry. Just. Go. Home.
Obama “if we’re placing a burden on the doctor that says you have to keep alive even a previable child”
State of Illinois
92nd General Assembly
Regular Session
Senate Transcript March 30, 2001
Page 87
http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf
And if we’re placing a burden on the doctor that says you have to keep alive even a previable child as long as possible and give them as much medical attention as — as is necessary to keep that child alive, then we’re probably crossing the lines in terms of unconstitutionality.
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