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Out-of-control shoplifting at the St. Louis Galleria. Violent attacks in the Delmar Loop.
The Riverfront Times ^ | 8-20-2008 | Chad Garrison

Posted on 08/23/2008 4:54:06 AM PDT by stan_sipple

Ask virtually any store manager at the Saint Louis Galleria about shoplifting, and you'll invariably get two responses: One, it's out of control; and two, it's gotten exceedingly worse since August 2006, when MetroLink opened a stop just 500 yards from the high-end shopping center. In the first six months of this year, Richmond Heights police made 345 arrests at the mall. That's nearly double the number of arrests made in all of 2005, before MetroLink opened its Shrewsbury line. This year police are on pace to take 276 juveniles into custody for shoplifting and other offenses — a sevenfold increase over the 39 kids arrested at the Galleria in 2005. "I know it's not politically correct, but how else do you explain it?" comments a frustrated Galleria store manager who, like many Galleria shopkeepers interviewed by Riverfront Times, says her employer prohibits her from officially speaking for the company. Four months later in March, another fight in the mall — this one involving up to 100 teens — led to three more arrests and the Galleria imposing new sanctions on teenagers. The so-called "Parental Guidance Required" policy, put in place in April 2007, prohibits anyone under age seventeen from entering the mall after 3 p.m. on weekends without an adult chaperone. In recent weeks dozens of those same teens have been implicated in violent attacks that have hospitalized people working and living near the light rail stations in the Loop and the nearby DeBaliviere neighborhood. On July 26 a group of at least twenty teens assailed a family as they left the platform at the Forest Park-DeBaliviere station. That same night another group, according to police, attacked a person at the Delmar station.

(Excerpt) Read more at riverfronttimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: blacks; crime; gangs; metrolink; shoplifters; shoplifting; shoppingmall; stealing; stlouis; theft; theurbanjungle

1 posted on 08/23/2008 4:54:07 AM PDT by stan_sipple
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To: stan_sipple

Ask virtually any store manager at the Saint Louis Galleria about shoplifting, and you’ll invariably get two responses: One, it’s out of control; and two, it’s gotten exceedingly worse since August 2006, when MetroLink opened a stop just 500 yards from the high-end shopping center.

In the first six months of this year, Richmond Heights police made 345 arrests at the mall. That’s nearly double the number of arrests made in all of 2005, before MetroLink opened its Shrewsbury line.

More alarming are the numbers of juveniles (kids under the age of seventeen) arrested at the mall. This year police are on pace to take 276 juveniles into custody for shoplifting and other offenses — a sevenfold increase over the 39 kids arrested at the Galleria in 2005.

“I know it’s not politically correct, but how else do you explain it?” comments a frustrated Galleria store manager who, like many Galleria shopkeepers interviewed by Riverfront Times, says her employer prohibits her from officially speaking for the company.


2 posted on 08/23/2008 4:55:57 AM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: stan_sipple

I had to go out to St. Louis for work in 2001. It stayed at the The Roberts Mayfair Hotel. I walked over to the mall. Most of the stores were closed. There was gangs hanging out in the mall. I did not feel very safe. I left right away. This does not surprise me.


3 posted on 08/23/2008 4:57:51 AM PDT by bmwcyle (If God wanted us to be Socialist, Karl Marx would have been born in America.)
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To: stan_sipple

I find this hard to believe. After all, increased access to suburban amenities will only serve to teach inner-city youth the ethics and secrets to social and economic success. These spokes-people must be mistaken and the reporter must have an agenda to print such dreck.

When OB is king, this kind of coded racism will come to it’s well deserved extinction - with a bullet in the back of the head. Get ready for REAL change we can all (well, some of us) live with!


4 posted on 08/23/2008 4:59:18 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: bmwcyle

back in the day it was a nice mall. sorry to see the hoodlums run decent people out of another shopping area


5 posted on 08/23/2008 4:59:52 AM PDT by stan_sipple
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To: stan_sipple

The Hotel was old but I enjoyed my stay there. The area around was like being in a slum. I am sure it was nice at one time.


6 posted on 08/23/2008 5:01:27 AM PDT by bmwcyle (If God wanted us to be Socialist, Karl Marx would have been born in America.)
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To: stan_sipple

Shame. That was a great mall when I was traveling on the road in the mid-1990’s. Shopped and ate dinner at several places there.


7 posted on 08/23/2008 5:01:56 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: F15Eagle

i left st louis in 1990 when local govt leaders were planning the metrolink. the public derided the idea as the “hop and rob.”


8 posted on 08/23/2008 5:04:36 AM PDT by stan_sipple
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To: F15Eagle

Stories such as this one just get me so excited that I can’t wait for federally funded midnight basketball programs and all that comes with it! /sarc


9 posted on 08/23/2008 5:06:30 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

did it occur to the big government greenies that we wont support more mass transit as long as it brings problems like this?


10 posted on 08/23/2008 5:10:15 AM PDT by stan_sipple
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To: stan_sipple

Rode the Metrolink from Shrewsbury to Busch Stadium in July. The trains were packed after the game. A contingent of black males drinking Hennessey boarded the train and commenced to yell and curse. It was a stark contrast. Order and civility from the station at the stadium.

Disorder and animal behavior up to where the line splits off to the airport. Order and stability out to shrewsbury.

I will never ride again and neither will my parents nor the people they speak with.


11 posted on 08/23/2008 5:17:58 AM PDT by steveyp
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To: stan_sipple
The title should be: "Liberalism out of control." The criminal kids ride the train for free! Business owners are afraid to say anything.

State law prohibits Metro from fining anyone under seventeen caught riding the train without a ticket. As the train arrives at the station, Dante and his friends walk past the guard and climb aboard. The doors close, and they're gone.

"Don't write a story," implores Peggy Hou, owner of Chinese Noodle Café, located next door to Pi on the eastern edge of the Loop. "You'll scare away business. Everything is fine." (Pi owners declined to comment altogether.) One business owner willing to speak is Rubina Patton, proprietor of Diversity Gallery and the Culture Café situated directly across the street from The Pageant. An African American and a licensed clinical social worker, Patton says it pains her to know that many of the teenagers involved in the attacks in the Loop are black. "I don't care what color you are, you need to behave," she says. "I don't want this blown out of proportion, but it needs to be addressed."

12 posted on 08/23/2008 5:20:39 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: stan_sipple
An African American and a licensed clinical social worker, Patton says it pains her to know that many of the teenagers involved in the attacks in the Loop are black.

I wouldn't have guessed. /s

"I don't care what color you are, you need to behave," she says.

Imagine that.

State law prohibits Metro from fining anyone under seventeen caught riding the train without a ticket.

WTH? Ghetto thug provision ?

Over the years Virginia Beach and Norfolk Virginia have discussed "light rail" . VB essentially said they didn't want the light rail to extend to the oceanfront because they didn't want thugs riding in from the Norfolk ghettos.

Norfolk is now building the light rail and recently VB is thinking about having it extended to include stops in VB. This is after 20 years of saying, "No Way".

13 posted on 08/23/2008 5:23:23 AM PDT by csvset
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To: stan_sipple
This article deserves a visit from the WAAAAmbulance.

These fools caused the problems due to their Liberalism, their “embracing diversity”. In fact, they even say so. Note these gems from the article.

“State law prohibits Metro from fining anyone under seventeen caught riding the train without a ticket. As the train arrives at the station, Dante and his friends walk past the guard and climb aboard. The doors close, and they're gone.”

What these Liberal fools have done is provide free “urban mass transit” services - free rides for criminals.

Worse yet, when a cop catches juvenile criminals riding free, he is powerless to do anything about it. This is a perfect example of failed Liberalism creating and enforcing a policy of No Consequences For Anti-Social Behavior.

KEWL! Even Dippy the Hippy, stoned as he always was, knew better than that!

Then the Big Sh*tty Liberals want to claim anyone who doesn't accept the criminal behavior swarming off the ‘mass transit’ refuses to “embrace diversity” and is “racist” when they point out that black teens from the ghetto are committing the majority of the crimes.

If the criminals were sent to jail for long periods of time, the rest (and the large majority) of both the black teens from that ghetto and the rest of the public could enjoy the malls and urban areas.

When shop owners won't demand the sentences, and are unwilling to see the thieves jailed, they are contributing to their future problems.

PS Running thieves, or violent thieves, could be legally shot. I suggest paying a bounty on any thief so killed, and suggest the cost of a year of prison expenses as the reasonable bounty.

Non-violent thieves could be sentenced to enforced labor until they had produced enough pay back the stolen property, the costs of the law enforcement program, and any ‘supervision’ deemed necessary to determine that the criminal had become a self regulating citizen safe to allow on the streets.

14 posted on 08/23/2008 5:26:56 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: stan_sipple
Let them touch the beautiful things!
And then take them!
And maybe bust somebody's head on the way out!

It's happening here now, too. The local 'rat/peace/love/social justice/media machines have imported and enabled a thug presence that is now firmly entrenced and officially blessed.

15 posted on 08/23/2008 5:33:41 AM PDT by niteowl77 (If you push too hard, you won't believe what happens next.)
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To: stan_sipple

Yes, all the joys of forced marxism the communists who destroy all of us have planned. May God have mercy on those who seek after His right ways in Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.
The rest will drive America into the ditch as the blind are leading the blind.


16 posted on 08/23/2008 5:36:13 AM PDT by kindred ( Third party conservative for Chuck Balwin,McCain is a liberal,Obama a communist.)
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To: stan_sipple

[left st louis in 1990 when local govt leaders were planning the metrolink. the public derided the idea as the “hop and rob.”]

The wise man sees evil coming and hides himself but the wicked pass on and are punished. Read that in the scriptures of Lord Jesus Christ and found His Word a source of truth and hope, but most will be punished.


17 posted on 08/23/2008 5:40:11 AM PDT by kindred ( Third party conservative for Chuck Balwin,McCain is a liberal,Obama a communist.)
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To: stan_sipple

[did it occur to the big government greenies that we wont support more mass transit as long as it brings problems like this?]

Do big government politicians care what America’s citizens think as a whole? I would say no,no,no.


18 posted on 08/23/2008 5:42:20 AM PDT by kindred ( Third party conservative for Chuck Balwin,McCain is a liberal,Obama a communist.)
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To: csvset

[Over the years Virginia Beach and Norfolk Virginia have discussed “light rail” .]

Did not Virginians elect liberals to their Congress and political offices as the state moves left? Are they not suffering the consequences of the political powers that be? If so, do they really have a right to complain for the representitives choices they elected to represent their interests in the State buildings?
You know the answer.


19 posted on 08/23/2008 5:47:05 AM PDT by kindred ( Third party conservative for Chuck Balwin,McCain is a liberal,Obama a communist.)
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To: Glenn
Merci, merci,merci....
20 posted on 08/23/2008 5:56:53 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: stan_sipple

Similar thing happened to Century Three Mall in the South Hills of Pittsburgh, PA. It’s a city bus transfer station. Seemed like every day and night was Thugs R Us. Over 1/3 of the stores are empty and the rest can’t be far behind.


21 posted on 08/23/2008 6:08:31 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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To: csvset

I’ll bet Anacostians in DC are just waiting for the Dulles Light Rail extention through Tyson’s Corner, home of the Gallaria and other high-end malls, to open for the same reason.


22 posted on 08/23/2008 6:19:43 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("Ah! but it was something to have at least a choice of nightmares.")
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To: stan_sipple

The country can’t solve this problem without working of the busted families and rotten education system that cause it.


23 posted on 08/23/2008 6:27:00 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Boycott Washington D.C. until they allow gun ownership)
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To: GladesGuru

“Worse yet, when a cop catches juvenile criminals riding free, he is powerless to do anything about it. This is a perfect example of failed Liberalism creating and enforcing a policy of No Consequences For Anti-Social Behavior.”

Wasn’t that a nice additional touch to the story, the thieves are even stealing their Metro ride to and from the Mall!


24 posted on 08/23/2008 6:27:21 AM PDT by Will88 (.)
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To: popdonnelly

Typo - should read “working on”.


25 posted on 08/23/2008 6:30:30 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Boycott Washington D.C. until they allow gun ownership)
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To: stan_sipple

You’re either in favor of civilized society or you’re not. We don’t have to tolerate bad behavior in the interest of “fairness”.


26 posted on 08/23/2008 6:32:56 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Boycott Washington D.C. until they allow gun ownership)
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To: csvset
State law prohibits Metro from fining anyone under seventeen caught riding the train without a ticket.

Since none of them have any money to pay fines, fining them would do no good.

I suggest short juvenile detention terms say 10 days for the first offense, 20 for the second, and so on. Enforce this vigorously and the problems will be alleviated.

27 posted on 08/23/2008 6:42:52 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: bmwcyle

You must be speaking of the St. Louis Mall downtown. It has closed down now. The Galleria is a beautiful mall in the Brentwood/Clayton area. Unfortunately, where Metrolink goes, trouble follows. When the inner city thugs gained easy access to this place, it began having problems immediately. It really is a shame.


28 posted on 08/23/2008 6:50:00 AM PDT by Clintons Are White Trash (Lynn Stewart, Helen Thomas, Rosie ODonnell, Maureen Dowd - The Axis of Ugly)
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To: kindred
This debacle has unfolded over the past 30+ years. It's not the result of any single 'liberal' agenda or 'liberal' politician(s). No, a clustrf*** of this magnitude took the work of many conservative administrations as well.

Funding for roads in VA is a hot topic.

For example, administrations of both parties haven't done jack to maintain the roads and bridges.

These stories are one of the transportation issues effecting this area.

Jordan Bridge closure would strain ailing Gilmerton span

Close the Jordan Bridge, says Chesapeake city manager

Fwiw, 25 years ago, I would use the Jordan Bridge every day in my commute. The bridge was rickety then, I can only imagine what it's like now.

29 posted on 08/23/2008 6:50:25 AM PDT by csvset
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To: steveyp
I was in St/ Louis last week visiting my father at the V.A. Medical Center.

Things have certainly changed since the last time I was there in the mid-80’s.

My advice: White people should not be on the the street after about 1 hour prior to sunset. (People that live there will tell you the same.)

I would strongly recommend that you consider concealed carry (legal or not).

It's a shame, it used to be a neat place.

30 posted on 08/23/2008 6:50:34 AM PDT by 2111USMC (Taglines for Sale)
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To: stan_sipple
Celebrate Diversity.
(all cultures are equal, blah, blah, blah..)
31 posted on 08/23/2008 7:07:25 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: Will88

“Wasn’t that a nice additional touch to the story, the thieves are even stealing their Metro ride to and from the Mall!”

Spot on!

That article was loaded with telling quotes from ‘Big Sh*tty Syndrome’ sufferers. There must be something in the urban water supply which causes otherwise solid business owners to utter Socialist talking points with a straight face.

Here’s an example:
“Edwards says he doesn’t know what the connection may be between the teenagers and the attacks in and around the MetroLink stations, but he believes public transportation is crucial to the growth and vitality of the city. He also notes that the Galleria and the Delmar Loop are two of just a handful of places in St. Louis where blacks and whites intersect.

“People have made the Loop what it is by embracing diversity,” he says.

His closing line about “embracing diversity” says it all.

Those who accept law and public policy which tolerates, or even creates, criminal behavior and imposes no punishments for said crimes, deserve to suffer any and all crimes heaped upon them by the criminals they “embraced”.


32 posted on 08/23/2008 7:09:35 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: GladesGuru

think about it, the Riverfront Times is a ST Louis wannabe Village Voice!


33 posted on 08/23/2008 7:42:52 AM PDT by stan_sipple
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To: popdonnelly
The country can’t solve this problem without working of the busted families and rotten education system that cause it

That's a common comment when discussing articles such as these, and in my opinion, if true, we are truely screwed as a country.

Why? Well, how much more can a bankrupt nation spend on social welfare and on gov't schools? How much of that increased spending can go towards current problem people when tens of millions of the same type of problem people flood into this country from the third world?

Our population may be increasing at a near-exponential rate, but the number of productive workers, who pay all the bills, sure isn't. And speaking as one of the productive tax-paying citizens, I'm already paying far too much in taxes.

34 posted on 08/23/2008 7:46:33 AM PDT by LIBERTARIAN JOE (Don't blame me - I voted for Ron Paul!)
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This will all stop when Obama is elected and Urban Youth can have “hope” in the future.
35 posted on 08/23/2008 7:57:16 AM PDT by Godwin1 (Godwin)
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To: stan_sipple
If anyone made it to page 4 of this lengthy article, they'll be treated to this lovely little gem:

Maybe, Dante, you'd like to ponder a moment on why you and your friends are getting kicked out of the mall?

BTW, the comments section on this article is pretty enlightening as well.

36 posted on 08/23/2008 8:04:33 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68

....Unique....

pronounced uu nee kay


37 posted on 08/23/2008 8:07:42 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Conservation? Let the NE Yankees freeze.... in the dark)
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To: bert
pronounced uu nee kay

Are you sure? I'm pretty certain it's uh-NEE-kwa.

LOL ! Hard to tell these days!

38 posted on 08/23/2008 8:10:46 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: stan_sipple
think about it, the Riverfront Times is a ST Louis wannabe Village Voice!

If the comments section is representative of anything, then even the white liberals who read this paper are growing tired of rampant black thug behavior and the many excuses given for it.

39 posted on 08/23/2008 8:12:47 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: GladesGuru

“There must be something in the urban water supply which causes otherwise solid business owners to utter Socialist talking points with a straight face.”

The censorship effect of PCness and the leftist media is pretty strong when it comes to honestly assessing situations such as this, and the impact of Section 8 Housing which has been discussed here a few times.

People need to start getting over such self-destructive self-censorship and start calling things what they are.


40 posted on 08/23/2008 8:23:49 AM PDT by Will88 (.)
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To: stan_sipple
"Trains take you from where you ain't, to where you don't want to be."

City trains move the gang crime to the suburbs, so more people can share fair.

41 posted on 08/23/2008 8:29:14 AM PDT by meadsjn (Socialists promote neighbors selling out their neighbors; Free Traitors promote just the opposite.)
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To: stan_sipple
Liberals want to move us all out of our cars and onto "public transit". Then we can all enjoy the benefits of multicultural diversity!


42 posted on 08/23/2008 8:57:49 AM PDT by Gritty (The right not to be offended is now the most sacred right in the world - Mark Steyn)
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To: Eagles6

Some years ago SEPTA went on strike and buses to the suburban malls stopped running. The King of Prussia mall reported a 75% drop in shoplifting during the strike.

But you can’t profile.


43 posted on 08/23/2008 10:08:23 AM PDT by Scarpetta (e pluribus victim)
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To: stan_sipple
This is the part I don't understand:

So pretty much the way I understand it was that there was a proposal to link MetroLink from the 'hood to the shopping malls but the people who shopped at the malls were concerned about the crime that this would bring (imagine that) so they voted against the measure. Then the government went ahead and built the link despite the proposal being killed by the voters? Am I reading this right?

44 posted on 08/23/2008 10:59:16 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Scarpetta
"But you can’t profile."

It's racist if you notice those things. /sarc

45 posted on 08/23/2008 11:04:29 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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To: Drew68

Ironic...this is the third time within a few months that I’ve heard of someone named Unique.

For weird names, you can’t beat Sh*thead (pronounced sha-TEED) and A**hole (pronounced ASH-olay). I swear I’m not making these up. These are actual names!

Can you imagine? “This is my son, Sh*thead, and my daughter, A**hole.”


46 posted on 08/23/2008 4:01:16 PM PDT by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: stan_sipple

There is a chain of “alternative” newspapers in Florida, and many other states, as well. They are largely Libtard in editorial orientation, and funded by ads for restaurants, bars, tattoo parlors and sex services like phone sex and “escorts”.

Bah! Humbuggery!


47 posted on 08/23/2008 5:18:33 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: stan_sipple

I’ve seen this before. Adding regional bus service is what ultimately destroyed Parmatown Mall in Parma, Ohio. The deadbeats ride the taxpayer-funded bus to the mall, rob it, and ride the bus back home.


48 posted on 08/23/2008 5:21:13 PM PDT by meyer (...by any means necessary.)
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To: popdonnelly
“The country can’t solve this problem without working of the busted families and rotten education system that cause it.”

With all due respect, I must disagree. Simply by returning to an old and proven method of law enforcement, we could cut prison costs to a mere fraction of their now exorbitant levels, and produce a nation of self regulating citizens.

Bring Back Bounties! Make a dead violent criminal worth the cost of a year's incarceration and crime would drop to a fraction of today's criminal activity..

49 posted on 08/23/2008 5:24:36 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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