Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Conservatives Refusing to Support McCain: HereŽs What YouŽll Get
The American Chronicle ^ | August 26, 2008 | Nathaniel Shockey

Posted on 08/26/2008 7:29:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

There has been plenty of whining from conservatives concerning whether John McCain would select a pro-choice vice president. I just hope whining is all it is. As my colleague Dan Calabrese pointed out on August 21, the political leanings of the VP concerning abortion are largely irrelevant. The only way to meaningfully decrease the number of abortions is to convince people that abortion is a bad idea, not to legislate.

But this conservative whining must be starting to concern McCain and his political strategists at least a little. Maybe these people who keep complaining that McCain isn´t conservative enough are actually considering the possibility of not voting.

On one hand, Barack Obama simply isn´t popular enough to be truly threatening. He´s inexperienced, doesn´t understand the issues very well, doesn´t exude patriotism and has some horrendous relationship baggage. When you tally it up, it amounts to a major risk. And as past elections have shown, it´s been risks like these that have ultimately pushed people past the summer excitement and back into the autumn safety of conservative candidates who, if nothing else, seem more or less transparent.

But on the other hand, the support of the conservative base is an important element of this seasonal routine. So even if the swing voters play their role perfectly, as I suspect they will, it probably won´t be enough if a significant portion of the conservative base doesn´t vote.

So I must pose a question to the whining conservatives who are threatening to stay home on November 4, sitting in their La-Z-Boys with arms crossed, puffed up blood-tinted cheeks, and brows furrowed like a toddler who doesn´t want to take a nap. Are you prepared to deal with the consequences of an Obama presidency?

Realize that the average age on the U.S. Supreme Court is currently 68. John Paul Stevens is 88 and Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 75. Obama would select at least one, probably two new justices.

Bills that put crushing new requirements and taxes on businesses would almost certainly pass a Democratic Congress, and be signed by a president who has never run a lemonade stand in his life, much less a business. Don´t expect him to start vetoing bills just because they would drive our country´s deficit beyond anything prior.

Realize that Obama would not be aggressive on terrorism, that Islamofascists are probably licking their lips at the prospect of a passive American president who would be content to play defense, and would even take seriously the lip-service of radicals like the Iranian president. With an appeaser as our commander in chief, terrorist networks would inevitably regain strength, and more innocent people will die. Call it a scare tactic or anything you like. It´s completely logical.

Realize that 3 percent of Americans pay about half of America´s taxes. If we elect Obama, those numbers will be even more lopsided. Obama has pledged to increase taxes on the wealthy, who would, in turn, hide their money. That´s a brilliant plan if your goal is to completely stifle an economy.

Realize that Obama probably won´t allow America to drill for its own oil. Have you enjoyed watching our Congress take a vacation when we need them the most? With Obama at the helm, there will be even less pressure on them to do their jobs and get Americans the oil they desperately need. Expect more of the same naïve lip service that describes local oil-drilling as the problem, and not as the obvious solution it is.

Realize that when Obama talks about creating jobs, he means he will be building even more government agencies. He is not talking about letting the economy naturally flourish and creating jobs by getting the government out of the way. If you are ready for an even bigger government than our current one, Obama is your man.

Of course, Obama would not be without an upside. The evening news would be much more upbeat when the media´s biggest crush becomes the most powerful man in the world for four years. There would be no more of the incessantly grim ramblings to which we´ve become so accustomed.

Finally, realize that Obama has good intentions. I respect that he is an idealist, even if I disagree with his ideals. And if we do elect him, I don´t think America will crumble. I just think he would leave it in even worse condition than the one in which he found it.

So to conservative boneheads out there, standing in the corner, pouting because your first choice isn´t the Republican nominee, it´s time you got over it.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; abortion; boneheads; compromise; conservativevote; election; electionpresident; elections; mccain; mccainbot; obama; obamatruthfile; rationalizing
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-150151-193 next last
I have to vote for John McCain, whether I want to or not. Staying home or voting third party/write-in would be disobeying the oath I took on June 12th, 1978 to protect and defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic. You must do what your conscience tells you is right.
1 posted on 08/26/2008 7:29:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
You must do what your conscience tells you is right.

I appreciate your thoughts, but my family and I are doing what God says is right. We refuse to support any candidate that has policies that shed innocent blood in any way.

Barack Obama is a pro-abort.

John McCain supports embryonic stem cell research.

Therefore, neither one will be receiving our vote.
2 posted on 08/26/2008 7:32:53 PM PDT by politicket (If it defaults, call Rit something else and sell more of it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
There has been plenty of whining from conservatives

This post and the thousands like it shows where the whining is.

3 posted on 08/26/2008 7:34:42 PM PDT by org.whodat (Republicans should support the SAM Walton business model, and then drill???)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
John McCain

My vote is for McCain......sigh....

4 posted on 08/26/2008 7:35:29 PM PDT by TheDon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Keep whining, maybe McCain will get it into his thick skull that there is absolutely NO reason to have A pro-choice veep.....none at all, and one HUGE reason to have a pro-life veep, even if the veep has no influence on the abortion issue.....and that reason is.....:ABORTION IS MURDER!

Also the author’s premise is wrong, you can’t convince people that abortion is wrong as long as it is legal. Legislation IS the answer, and the ONLY answer.


5 posted on 08/26/2008 7:35:59 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Obama Bin Biden.........thank you Lord, thank you thank you thank you.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why should I vote for a traitor to my cause?
He’ll deliver half of what I want and I should be grateful?
John McCain has stabbed conservatives in the back for years and we are suppose to accept the lesser of two evils?
If John McCain wants to outrank his father and grandfather, perchance he should stop stabbing me in the back and realize he should be supporting me.

His choice for VP will tell me if he has grown and accepted reality.

Otherwise, hello President 0bama.


6 posted on 08/26/2008 7:36:43 PM PDT by american_ranger (Never ever use DirecTV)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: politicket
I urge you to reconsider. I agree that McCain's position on embryonic stem cell research is inconsistent (to put it mildly), but McCain would appoint judges who are much more likely to protect (most of) the unborn than the judges Obama would appoint. To paraphrase Voltaire, the best is the enemy of the good.
7 posted on 08/26/2008 7:39:19 PM PDT by utahagen
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

I certainly won’t be voting for John McCain, but I will be voting against Obama.

Big difference...


8 posted on 08/26/2008 7:39:46 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts.....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

McCain’s mother pointed out (laughing about it) that conservatives have no choice but to hold their noses and vote for her son. I have the benefit of living in California and can withhold my vote for McCain without it causing any difference. I will vote for conservatives and only conservatives in the upcoming election.


9 posted on 08/26/2008 7:40:38 PM PDT by rbbeachkid (When is enough enough?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
So to conservative boneheads out there

Attacking conservatives but yet demanding that they vote for your RINO. Brilliant strategy there.

If McCain chooses a pro-abortion VP, I'm staying home.

10 posted on 08/26/2008 7:42:18 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (All hail our leader, our savior, our beloved, The Messiah Obama)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
Realize that the average age on the U.S. Supreme Court is currently 68

And Sen. McCain will be 72 on Friday. He's already lived out his natural life expectancy. His vice presidential pick has a very realistic chance of being the next one to make a SCOTUS nomination.

11 posted on 08/26/2008 7:42:33 PM PDT by fzx12345 (ZOTTO ERGO SUM)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama and his crew have done the impossible for me and made McCain into someone I'd vote for again. However, McCain could reset my voting mechanism back depending upon his choice for VP. If he picks Huckleberry, I won't be able to vote for them regardless of how much Chuck Norris likes the Huckster and even if that means President Obama and Vice President Biden.
12 posted on 08/26/2008 7:43:00 PM PDT by GBA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: utahagen

Sure. I REALLY believe that McCain will nominate conservative judges. He’ll just “maverick” again.

See tagline.


13 posted on 08/26/2008 7:43:14 PM PDT by Politicalmom (President McCain: "Ok, Ted, I want your list of supreme court nominees on my desk by Monday.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
You must do what your conscience tells you is right.

Mine tells me hat I can't vote for a pro abortion candidate. I truly hope McCain dooesn't challenge my conscience.

14 posted on 08/26/2008 7:43:29 PM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: All
Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting


15 posted on 08/26/2008 7:43:45 PM PDT by patriot08
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: org.whodat
This post and the thousands like it shows where the whining is.

Yep, it's the same-old scare tactics. Conservatives don't march in lockstep with their party like libs do. We are independent thinkers and can't be herded like cattle. That's what pisses off the GOP establishment and their sycophants.

This election is McCain's to lose.

16 posted on 08/26/2008 7:45:40 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (All hail our leader, our savior, our beloved, The Messiah Obama)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

the lesser of 2 evils is necessary. do not sit at home. you sit at home, you get Obama, imagine the spilling of National Security secrets all over the middle East with that tool in the POTUS chair. At least with McCain we are getting a soldier, and a true American, and we know he won’t allow partial birth abortion.T he abortion issue may not be resolved in our lifetime, but we must start by getting our foot in the door. How do you think Dummies get their way? They have had Decades of legislative chipping away. Now we must put the chips back in place... and it isn’t going to take 4 years to do it.... but it’s a start.


17 posted on 08/26/2008 7:45:52 PM PDT by Ancient Drive
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
"The only way to meaningfully decrease the number of abortions is to convince people that abortion is a bad idea, not to legislate."

The real difference between liberals and conservatives is the way they view the balance between what the legislature controls and what the culture controls. That balance changes, predictably toward liberalism throughout the life of a republic, hence its predictable lifespan. It also explains why some formally rock-ribbed conservatives are shilling for McCain. We live in interesting times.

18 posted on 08/26/2008 7:46:08 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Returning the ball back to McLosers court.

19 posted on 08/26/2008 7:47:05 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (No mas Juan "Traitor Rat" McAmnesty)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: indylindy; calcowgirl; djsherin; Sunnyflorida; SoConPubbie; Sybeck1; Ricebug; ...
McCain’s mother pointed out (laughing about it) that conservatives have no choice but to hold their noses and vote for her son.

More elitism from the delusional McCain family.

The Just Say No to Juan McCain Ping List.

"It's like traveling around with a circus."
—Lindsey Graham, on McCain's campaign

To join: FReepmail rabscuttle385 to subscribe or to unsubscribe from this ping list.

This can be a very high-volume ping list at times.

This list is pinged by rabscuttle385 and AmericanInTokyo.

Take care to check the "mccainlist", "mccaintruthfile", "mcbama", "mcqueeg", and "mccain" keyword search links for related threads, since we can not possibly ping you to every relevant article that is posted. To flag a relevant thread, please add the keywords "mccainlist" and "mccaintruthfile".


Republican Commissar’s Warning: By joining this ping list, you may be subjected to the irrational rants and ramblings of McCainiacs, of "moderate" Republicans, of deeply confused conservatives resigned to voting for the lesser of two Democrats, and of countless trolls who simply want to meet a new overlord.

Per FR posting guidelines, we kindly ask that you be civil and polite in your comings and goings. Bonus points for being optimistic and in good cheer.


20 posted on 08/26/2008 7:47:12 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Don't steal. John McCain and Barack Obama hate competition.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: patriot08
Go ahead, you redneck peckerwoods

Go ahead, Republican Party shills who believe that the path to winning is to out-liberal the Democrat.

21 posted on 08/26/2008 7:47:45 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (All hail our leader, our savior, our beloved, The Messiah Obama)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sorry, but killing babies by the million is not a peripheral issue for many of us.

McCain claims to be pro-life, and for the most part his record confirms it—with the exception of his dumb support of public funding for fetal stem cell research, when adult stem cell research has proven to be so much better.

But what do we make of a man who is pro-life on principle, yet is willing to take on an abortion lover as his VP, and possibly to groom him to be the next president?

Sorry, that says to me that McCain really doesn’t take this issue very seriously. He doesn’t mind killing babies if it’s politically convenient.

The situation is much like the 2006 election. Whom do you blame, the voters who stayed home, or the Republicans who kicked them in the teeth until they stayed home? It’s kind of a silly question. Don’t kick your base in the teeth, it’s not smart politics.

Frankly, McCain is a pretty marginal candidate as it is, what with McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, the Gang of 14, and so on, and many people will only vote for him because Obama is so much worse. But if it’s a choice between two pro-abortion candidates, and if a vote for McCain means there will no longer be a pro-life party to vote for in the future, then—sorry—a lot of people will stay home.

And that will be no one’s fault but McCain and his stupid advisers, who decided to kick the base in the teeth one more time.

Just don’t do it. It’s that simple.


22 posted on 08/26/2008 7:48:29 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: rbbeachkid
McCain’s mother pointed out (laughing about it) that conservatives have no choice but to hold their noses and vote for her son.

That was Bush 41's reelection strategy as well.

Of course he lost what should have been an easy reelection.

23 posted on 08/26/2008 7:48:46 PM PDT by RJL
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Given judges’ traditional longevity on the Court, it’s important to understand that Obama’s presidency could affect every aspect of American life — criminal law, civil law, trade agreements, college admissions, abortions, managed care, anything you can think of — for a good thirty or forty years.


24 posted on 08/26/2008 7:49:17 PM PDT by anglian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: patriot08

Get used to thinking it and blame the GOP leadership for making it so.


25 posted on 08/26/2008 7:51:17 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (No mas Juan "Traitor Rat" McAmnesty)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet; indylindy; calcowgirl; djsherin; Sunnyflorida; SoConPubbie; Sybeck1; Ricebug; ...
So to conservative boneheads out there, standing in the corner, pouting because your first choice isn´t the Republican nominee, it´s time you got over it.

Oh great, the new GOP strategy: insult and belittle your constituents and then expect them to vote for you and give you money.

But hey, what else can we expect from the boneheaded idiots in the country club, Rockefeller wing of the GOP?

Screw the GOP. Let it die like the Whigs.

26 posted on 08/26/2008 7:52:44 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Don't steal. John McCain and Barack Obama hate competition.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: utahagen; american_ranger
The issues surrounding this election are much lager than single moral issues, like abortion or stem cell research. The fact is tha America is being accosted by a leftist movement which is liberal socialist evolving towards fascism.

You may vote according to religious or moral values, but you may have missed the genuine issue of the devolution of our Republic into a fascist state. Then those of moral conscience will lose even the right to speak out about it. It will be outlawed as illegal hate speech. Its already happened in Canada.

Our nation will become balkanized into a mosaic of racial and ethnic provinces, administered by government morality police. English will no longer be the language of government. Our military will become so weak that we will no longer be a beacon of freedom and a sheild of protection in the world at large.

So for those who are that directly religious and moralistic, think about the sin of allowing the nation to become without the traditional freedoms which allow us all to worship as we please, and to continue to create a more perfect union of citizens.On balance for me , voting to prevent that is to prevent a greater sin of loss of the freedom tha God gave our nation so we might do good to each other and in the world. Without that freedom the issue of abortion will be irretrievably lost to the Godless.

So which will it be?

This is the context of the greater view, and I would urge all to consider it very carefully.

Photobucket

27 posted on 08/26/2008 7:53:34 PM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (Ridicule Obama))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

If he picks Mutt Romney I will have to leave the top of the ticket blank. I wont vote for any ticket with that liberal puke on it!


28 posted on 08/26/2008 7:54:35 PM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: politicket
Therefore, neither one will be receiving our vote.

I'm with ya. Principles over party. I was taught that this is what this country was founded on. Principles. Let's get back to what made this country great.

29 posted on 08/26/2008 7:55:31 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Quick justice for the senseless killing of Marine Lance Cpl. Robert Crutchfield.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: utahagen
McCain would appoint judges who are much more likely to protect (most of) the unborn

I wish I was as sure as you are. He voted for Gingsburg and already said he wouldn't appoint someone like Alito, who wore his conservatism on his sleeve. As if that's a bad thing.
30 posted on 08/26/2008 7:56:11 PM PDT by CottonBall
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: rabscuttle385

Hope you enjoy the first ever America-hating, white-hating, radical marxist muslim President of the United States, because that’s exactly what you are advocating. Buy hey, at least you have your principles. I’m sure that will give you comfort while this nation is rendered unrecognizable by Obama and his extremist followers.


31 posted on 08/26/2008 7:58:12 PM PDT by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: american_ranger

Your sons are a credit to who you are. You and your sons are the best of what America is. If your conscience tells you not to vote for McCain, I totally respect that. I struggle with the decision too. I have come to the conclusion that I can not let obama get his hands on this country no matter what.


32 posted on 08/26/2008 7:59:15 PM PDT by lookout88 (Combat search and rescue officer's dad.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Hey, that strategy worked so well in 2006 we got Pelosi as Speaker. It’s a one party cartel.


33 posted on 08/26/2008 7:59:35 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (No mas Juan "Traitor Rat" McAmnesty)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: patriot08
Well said, patriot08. Anyone who believes that a vote for anyone but McCain is not a vote for Obama is just deluded. An Obama presidency is simply unthinkable. I am hard pressed to imagine a Marine "sitting out" a firefight, or shooting at trees while enemy soldiers advance against his buddies. No way!

And as flawed as McCain is on many Conservative issues, his consistent stand against Abortion has been stellar. His only fault is a commonly-shared misunderstanding of the adult vs. embryonic stem cell debate -- but an honest pro-lifer should come around when he sees the light on that issue. As another poster pointed out, Perfect is the greatest enemy of Good.

34 posted on 08/26/2008 8:00:56 PM PDT by Always A Marine
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
McCain can still get my vote. If he doesn't pick a pro-abortion veep or pick the Huckster as veep, whom I blame for why we are stuck with McCain and not another conservative. The bad news is, if we don't win and have a strong Veep to run next time, the huckster will do it to us again.
35 posted on 08/26/2008 8:01:13 PM PDT by Robbin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Yep, threaten us into voting for the other candidate.

I’ll tell you what Senator McCain. Instead of giving us reasons to vote against the other Liberal candidate, give me a reason to vote for you. Select a Conservative VP.


36 posted on 08/26/2008 8:01:42 PM PDT by Rational Thought
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: anglian
Given judges’ traditional longevity on the Court, it’s important to understand that Obama’s presidency could affect every aspect of American life — criminal law, civil law, trade agreements, college admissions, abortions, managed care, anything you can think of — for a good thirty or forty years.

Actually, barring an illness, your scenario is not likely. The oldest justices are the libs. Obama would just replace one with another. The youngest justices are the conservative ones - unless one gets ill, one will not be replaced for at least another decade or more.

Using the stats of when justices retire, the likelihood of even one getting appointed in the next 4 years is slim. However, the following 8 years will be the crucial ones if we want to replace the older libs with conservatives.

I fear a McCain presidency could doom conservatism by having his liberal agenda associated with it. And impacting the 2012 election in the same way. However, if Obama and the Dem Congress (likely) pull a Carter (even more likely), we just might get a real conservative in 2012. It's a weak hope, but it's all we got. McCain already said he would not appoint a conservative (like Alito, the 'sleeve' comment is pretty telling of his mindset).
37 posted on 08/26/2008 8:01:52 PM PDT by CottonBall
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Candor7

Pay no attention to the the man behind the curtain making deals like McCain-Feingold with your boogey men.


38 posted on 08/26/2008 8:03:01 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (No mas Juan "Traitor Rat" McAmnesty)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: utahagen
I agree that McCain's position on embryonic stem cell research is inconsistent (to put it mildly), but McCain would appoint judges who are much more likely to protect (most of) the unborn than the judges Obama would appoint.

I suggest you think McCain's position on judges through more thoroughly. If he becomes President he will be facing socialist Democrat majority Congress, many of which he has sided on several issues in the past. You're kidding yourself if you think he will nominate Conservative judges given those facts.

To paraphrase Voltaire, the best is the enemy of the good.

To quote Ronald Reagan addressing CPAC in 1975:

“A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency or simply to swell its numbers.”
39 posted on 08/26/2008 8:03:19 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: frankiep

Now, you should know that there has never been a conservative that gave ground on their principles to reach a political compromise.

In fact, none of our founding fathers compromised on anything.

/s


40 posted on 08/26/2008 8:05:06 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Always A Marine
Anyone who believes that a vote for anyone but McCain is not a vote for Obama is just deluded.

This is the only sentiment I see posted on FR as a reason to vote for McCain. It's a pretty weak argument.

And an illogical one. It assumes that my vote can be taken for granted by the RNC and that I want McAmnesty in office, tainting the word 'conservative' with all his liberal agendas. If the assumption was the I had to vote for Obama and wanted him in office, then my not voting for president would be seen as voting for Obama. Both are illogical and are based on the bias of the assumer.
41 posted on 08/26/2008 8:06:40 PM PDT by CottonBall
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would invite my Conservative FRiends to join us in the voting booths in November- No one should stay home. Those of you who are guided by your principles are needed now as much as ever.

I ask you to join me and others in open rebellion against this Republican Party, and their scurrilous bastard of a candidate.

Vote for the only true Reagan Conservative on your ballot, Alan Keyes.

As others are so fond of saying, your write in vote does not count- Whereas a vote for Keyes is certainly a vote for, and an endorsement of, the Conservative cause.


42 posted on 08/26/2008 8:07:36 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ancient Drive; DoughtyOne
the lesser of 2 evils is necessary.

Only if your goal is more evil withe each passing election.

At least with McCain we are getting a soldier, and a true American, and we know he won’t allow partial birth abortion.

You're also getting the following socialist baggage with McCain as shown by the timepline provided by Doughtyone:

John McCain's Whimsical World of Conservatism
Food for thought for the Hillary Clinton Wing of the GOP

1982/00/00 McCain enters Congress, with his family accepts first of nine trips some aboard Keating's leer jet, three of which include stayovers at Keating's Caribbean resort (goes unreported for up to 7 years)
1983/09/28 McCain joins 26 other Republicans to vote with the Majority Party Congressional Democrats to demand U.S. Troops exit Lebanon, winds up on the losing
1983/09/28 Cindy McCain and her father invest $359,100 in a Charles Keating strip mall
1987/00/00 McCain has received $112,000 by this time for Congressional and Senate campaigns, from Charles Keating, his relatives, and his employees, the largest amount to any Keating 5 member
1987/04/02 McCain joins four Democrats to intercede on behalf of his S&L Owner friend Keating with Ed Gray, chairman of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board and also banking regulators (2 meetings)
1988/02/11 McCain votes to affirm Anthony Kennedy as a justice for the SCOTUS

1989/00/00 McCain discloses Keating trips as his involvement in the S&L scandal breaks, reimbursing $13,433.00 with no repercussions as late as seven years after the fact
1993/10/10 McCain co-sponsors an unsuccessful bill to cut off funding of United States troops in Somalia
1993/08/10 McCain joins the Democrats and most Republicans voting to confirm Ruth Bader Ginsberg, the worst justice on the court today. Three Republicans vote Nay.
1993/01/13 McCain and Kerry release the Select Committee report urging the MIA issue be put to rest so that Vietnam could be granted normalized relations with the U.S., over objections by MIA family and veterans groups. Video1 Video2 ( I do not endorse all of the information presented in video1 here. The video does touch on a number of topics, and I think most are germane ) If I could have found video that contained most of this information without touching on McCain's POW experience I would have posted it instead. Still, there are parts of McCain's POW experience that are troubling. I'd just rather not go there. Video2 shows how one MIA family rep is treated, confirming some of the reports in Video1.
1994/07/24 McCain joins with the Democrats to confirm nominee Stephen Breyer to be an Associate Justice on the SCOTUS. Nine Senators voted Nay...
1997/00/00 McCain leads the opposition to the Coats Amendment, preventing government funded fetal tissue research ( derived from "a legal act" [abortion] ) Amendment defeated!
1999/08/19 McCain stated, ""Certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade,"
John McCain: George Soros' Useful Idiot? McCain joins Democrat Russ Feingold to introduce Campaign Finance Reform, an effort funded by George Soros Article
2000/00/00 McCain was the keynote speaker at the ultra-liberal Philadelphia convention sponsored by George Soros while John F. Kerry keynoted at another Soros event on the same day...
2000/11/20 McCain participates in the production of a gun control spot for Oregon's Proposition Five. (Circa this date, prior to the November election.) Article
2001/00/00 McCain founded the Reform Institute funded by George Soros
2001/05/15 McCain introduces the Gun Show Loophole bill S890, with Carper, Lieberman, DeWine, Clinton, and Schumer co/sponsoring Analysis
2003/03/19 McCain joins Democrats to vote against drilling in ANWR
2003/10/30 McCain joins Lieberman again, this time to introduce the Climate Stewardship Act (Gorebal worming et al) Thomas Bill S139
2004/06/04 McCain signs letter with 58 Senators, "We write to urge you to expand the current federal policy concerning embryonic stem cell research."
2004/08/05 McCain announces he deplores the Swift Boat adds against Senator John Kerry, and asks the White House to refute them
2005/00/00 McCain resigns from the Reform Institute he founded with Communist billionaire George Soros
2005/01/28 McCain declares, "I want us in the ICC (International Criminal Court)", but I would like to see more safeguards first
2005/05/12 McCain joins Ted Kennedy to introduce McCain/Kennedy immigration legislation that would wind up making illegal immigrants citizens
2006/04/28 McCain states, "I would rather have a clean government than one where quote First Amendment rights are being respected that has become corrupt."
2006/09/06 McCain joins Dole to write op-ed for the Washington Post, states in part, "We should publicly remind Khartoum that the International Criminal Court has jurisdiction to prosecute war crimes..."
2007/02/17 McCain states he will close Guantanamo Bay terrorist detainment center on his first day in office video (same as date link on the left)
2007/03/22 McCain gets the pledged support of Chuck and Sue Cobb, Jeb Bush's Florida Director of the Free Trade of the Americas Agreement effort
2007/06/00 McCain joins Baldwin, Shays and Meehan to file an amicus brief against the Wisconsin Right to Life organization brief The wrong side of a pro-life issue, helping pro-abort Feingold
2007/06/18 McCains Gitmo problem, close the base, grant Geneva Convention status, stop water boarding...
2007/10/25 McCain still wants us to sign the L.O.S.T. treaty in time, but does have concerns over sovereignty issues.
2008/03/00 McCain makes his first attempt to tell a state (North Carolina) Republican Party what to do. The RNC joins him.
2008/03/24 McCain hires Meg Whiteman to cochair his Presidential campaign. Whiteman is another wishy washy at best Independent, who has donated to leftist candidates and still doesn't have a clue what side to come down on with regard to illegal immigration. She is leaning toward running for Governor in California and being courted by it's Republican leadership. Links to CalCowGirl's comments regarding Whiteman's donations. Article above.
2008/03/26 McCains speech to the World Affairs Council, Europe may get veto power over some of our foreign policy...
2008/04/08 McCain casts last Senate vote during his Presidential Campaign. By the EOBD 06/24/08, he has missed 367 votes or 61.4% of the Senate votes in the 110th Congress. His last vote before the one he cast on April 8 was cast on 03/14/08. Link
2008/05/09 McCains interview with O'Reilly... I won't drill in ANWR... it's pretty... I'm an environmentalist.
2008/05/12 McCain Joins the Goreball Worming Cult, sounding more like Al Gore every day... McCain's Oregon add Video
2008/05/13 2008/05/13 McCain takes an Environmental walk, with the leader of the Cascade Land Conservancy
2008/05/15 2008/05/15 McCain states he will appoint Democrats to his administration, during a Republican teleconference and during a Columbus stump speech
2008/05/27 McCain announces support for severe cutbacks on our nuclear weapons, withdrawing battlefield nukes from Europe and giving our nuclear waste to an international body
2008/06/04 McCain states, "I disagreed strongly with the Bush administration's mismanagement of the war in Iraq."
2008/06/14 McCain tells Clinton supporters they should back him because he voted for Ginsberg and Breyer Said this to Conservatives on 2008/05/07
2008/06/21 It is announced McCain and Obama will address open borders group in Los Angeles on July 18th, 2008, Communists and worst of U.S. Illegal Alien apologist groups...
2008/06/21 McCain and team realize he has so little credibility on judicial appointments, that they announce he will let Fred Thompson vet his judges. That's 06/21/08's version of truth...
2008/06/28 McCain declares, "I will make comprehensive immigration reform my “top priority,” during my first 100 days in office. He assures Latino leaders that they will have an ally in the White Hou
43 posted on 08/26/2008 8:09:01 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: CottonBall

“There has been plenty of whining from conservatives. . .”

__________________

This kind of attitude is the kind of nonsense that will sink McCain and his crew. I’ve been a registered Republican for years, but no longer. I’m an independent just the kind of person McCain says is so important to the Republican party. One caveat: I’m a conservative independent. I’m listening to John and his associates and the previous quote doesn’t make me happy.

It’s very simple. Everyone knows that the VP choice will indicate the future trajectory of the Republican party. This will tell me much about my support for McCain and the Republicans.


44 posted on 08/26/2008 8:09:43 PM PDT by conservativepoet (The chief aim of order within Christianity is to make room for good things to romp and play.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: frankiep; indylindy; calcowgirl; djsherin; Sunnyflorida; SoConPubbie; Sybeck1; Ricebug; ...
Hope you enjoy the first ever America-hating, white-hating, radical marxist muslim President of the United States, because that’s exactly what you are advocating.

Perhaps you can point out where exactly I am openly supporting an Obama win.

Oh wait, you can't...because I have never done such a thing.

Unfortunately, drinking McCain's special recipe for RINO Kool-Aid (spiked with extra hemlock for this election cycle) has a rather nasty side effect: it causes delusions such as the one reflected in your aforementioned and libelous comment about me.

45 posted on 08/26/2008 8:10:29 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Don't steal. John McCain and Barack Obama hate competition.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Man50D
If he becomes President he will be facing socialist Democrat majority Congress, many of which he has sided on several issues in the past. You're kidding yourself if you think he will nominate Conservative judges given those facts.

That's a good point. Plus he's already flat out stated that he would not appoint a conservative like Alito. How many facts do people need to face reality? I see that it is great to have a candidate to support, especially against the likes of Obama. But supporting McCain involves ignoring just about everything he's done in the last decade.
46 posted on 08/26/2008 8:10:47 PM PDT by CottonBall
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m a crazy aunt conservative;
The kind of right wing religious nutjob that the Republican party pretends doesn’t exist. At least until they need us, when they drag us out and beat us into accepting whatever half-baked pseudo-conservative they’re backing. They tell us it’s for our own good.
Then, when the crisis is over, they ignore our views and do whatever the hell they please.

Sorry, I’m not going for it. If Obama wins, maybe they can muster up a decent candidate in 2012.


47 posted on 08/26/2008 8:11:08 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Come then, War! With hearts elated to thy standard we will fly!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
Nathaniel Shockey points out that if conservatives don't fall on their swords for the "good of the nation" then everybody will get screwed except for politicians and government employees.

He calls the conservatives infantile for considering such an action.

What he doesn't say, and he knows it very well, is that if the conservatives do throw in with the elite Rockefeller country club Republicans, ONLY the conservatives get screwed.

McCain will do no better than Obama, and sacrifice conservatives to keep Rockefeller Republican perks.

If McCain loses, Republicans are finished, and they will see the DemoRat wrath with no one to protect them. Conservatives already have no one to protect them, and that won't change with McCain win or lose.

48 posted on 08/26/2008 8:12:18 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HerrBlucher
Also the author’s premise is wrong, you can’t convince people that abortion is wrong as long as it is legal. Legislation IS the answer, and the ONLY answer.

There lies the rub...NO abortion legislation; local state or federal; in light of Roe v Wade will be upheld in court as long as the SCOTUS is in the hands of mushy justices as it is now. Unless there is a Constitutional amendment or unless the courts come to their senses (fat chance of that) abortion rights will remain the law of the land. I agree with your sentiment but the author has a point that 2 seats on the SCOTUS are key and the last time I looked the VP has no say in that choice.

To me the choice of a pro life candidate speaks to the heart of conservatism. I spit of the legalities, th issue speaks to our very cores views of basic decency. We value life and the right to life. And we abhor those who would tread on such rights for the sake of expediency. We would like if McCain would be true to our value and to his by picking a VP who values life as much as his mother did.

49 posted on 08/26/2008 8:13:17 PM PDT by Pharmer (How am I supposed to rule the world when I surrounded by freakin liberal idiots!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
Are you prepared to deal with the consequences of an Obama presidency?

No. Nor am I looking forward to the consequences of a McCain presidency.

The author should look at each point he makes and insert McCain's policies. His Cap-and-Trade scheme will destroy the economy. His Amnesty policy will do the same. His call for creating "green jobs" is a liberal dream come true. Etc, etc, etc.

Instead of these pseudo-journalists threatening conservatives and whining about people who will vote their conscience, perhaps they should focus their time on encouraging John McCain to quit acting like a Democrat so voters actually want to vote for the man.

50 posted on 08/26/2008 8:14:34 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-150151-193 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson