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The Politics Of Blood (The Left's Descent Into Total Derangement Alert)
First Things ^ | 9/1/2008 | Joseph Bottum

Posted on 09/02/2008 6:58:28 PM PDT by goldstategop

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To: archy
Interesting thoughts about Robert Heinlein. Sarah Palin is a lot like Heinlein's female protagonists: multitalented, successful in many areas, decidedly feminine yet family oriented and tough as nails when needed. Additionally, John McCain is, like Heinlein, a Naval Academy graduate.
61 posted on 09/03/2008 10:02:17 AM PDT by Wallace T. (Specialization is for ants.)
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To: archy

I’ve read everything Pournelle and Niven-Pournelle have written, including the complete There Will Be War series, and especially the non-fiction. If you haven’t read Strategy of Technology, written with fellow Cold Warrior Stephen Possony, I recommend it highly.

http://www.jerrypournelle.com/slowchange/Strat.html

From Pournelle’s short disquisition on this book:

“For a while it was a textbook in all three Service Academies and remained so for several years at the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs. It was also used at the Air War College in Alabama and the National War College, and it’s my understanding that Xerox copies are used (with our permission) in some classes at the war colleges to this day. “


62 posted on 09/03/2008 10:08:35 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Obama: Carter's only chance to avoid going down in history as the worst U.S. president ever.)
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To: FreedomPoster

For later.


63 posted on 09/03/2008 10:25:12 AM PDT by Lurker (She's not a lesbian, she doesn't whine, she doesn't hate her country, and she's not afraid of guns.)
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To: Wallace T.
Additionally, John McCain is, like Heinlein, a Naval Academy graduate.

And, like R.A.H, McCain is a former Naval Aviator, though one who has really made his mark in a field outside of his military achievements.

64 posted on 09/03/2008 12:04:43 PM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: goldstategop
Danced around the quote by Neitszche without saying it...

One cannot for long fight monsters
Without himself becoming a monster
And one cannot stare long into the abyss
Before the abyss stares also into you.

65 posted on 09/03/2008 12:09:50 PM PDT by allmendream (If "the New Yorker" makes a joke, and liberals don't get it, is it still funny?)
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To: FreedomPoster
From Pournelle’s short disquisition on this book:

“For a while it was a textbook in all three Service Academies and remained so for several years at the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs. It was also used at the Air War College in Alabama...

It was still in use when I attended the Maxwell [A.F.B., Alabama] College of Zoomie Knowledge, and I quoted a passage from the book in my otherwise somewhat dry [and, since the India-Pakistana nuclear test exchange of May 1998, now classified] dissertation, Nuclear Proliferation in Southwest Asia: Probabilities and Possibilities.

IMHO, Mr. Possony knows whereof he speaks.

66 posted on 09/03/2008 12:12:37 PM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Noumenon

We’ve skirted the edge of the all-out before, but it’s never been this close.

Algore and the MSM set the stage for this by their actions
in Florida when they lost the election, do not doubt that
we will see a repeat in November.


67 posted on 09/03/2008 12:14:27 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: archy

< raises eyebrow> Interesting!

And here I thought you were just a treadhead type.


68 posted on 09/03/2008 2:37:27 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Obama: Carter's only chance to avoid going down in history as the worst U.S. president ever.)
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To: FreedomPoster
And here I thought you were just a treadhead type.

First tour, enlisted, back in the mid 1960s. Then, after that, I went to skool on the G.I Bill.

It wasn't until the early '90s I got into the stratospheric zoomie stuff.

And now I'm back among the grunts and doorkickers, unless things escalate into real noisy pyrotechnical displays in which neutrons and gamma rays are emitted.

It's no fun being a nonrated [not a pilot] puke around the USAF zoomies, unless you're in personnel or anything so classified that the rest of them can be dismissed with a *Sorry, I can't talk about that.... or have a really cool vehicle.

69 posted on 09/03/2008 2:55:27 PM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: goldstategop
This is the blade by which politics turns to bloodshed.

Guys, we are VERY close right now. If McCain wins, there will be riots. The DNC convention basically said the official line is now that all the elections from 2000 on have been "stolen".

Look at the various anarchists plots in St. Paul. Civil wars have started from much less.

70 posted on 09/03/2008 3:16:09 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Noumenon; Billthedrill
Or will we look back and say, "There's where we missed our chance?"

In that, the other side has the advantage. Wholesale revolution and killing has always been in their mindset. It isn't in mine, nor would I like it to be.

The only real question is when, not if, it will happen.

71 posted on 09/03/2008 3:42:17 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
Wholesale revolution and killing has always been in their mindset. It isn't in mine, nor would I like it to be.

Well, that's why I haven't taken to the field. Yet. No oe in their right mind seeks or starts that sort of conflict. But the right of self defense, and the duty to defend our country and our Constitution takes precedence over all. Once the ball gets rolling, it's going to mighty damn hard to stop. And that's not necessarily a bad thing for the future of our families and our contry.

72 posted on 09/03/2008 3:55:48 PM PDT by Noumenon (Time for Atlas to shrug - and to pick up a gun)
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To: infowarrior

May God forgive them, for I will not.


73 posted on 09/03/2008 3:59:58 PM PDT by Noumenon (Time for Atlas to shrug - and to pick up a gun)
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To: Noumenon

What is scary to me, is that it seems like every one is itching for a fight. Worldwide.

My buddy was in Austria a few months ago, and said the same thing.


74 posted on 09/03/2008 4:59:47 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
If McCain wins, there will be riots.

If McCain loses, there will also be riots. By the same folks who will riot if he wins.

75 posted on 09/03/2008 6:23:49 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Lurker

What strikes me about this is that it is almost word for word from an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.

The Federation needed alliess to face the threat of the Jem’Hadar, and Cisco devised a ploy to bring the Romulans into the alliance with a very carefully crafted “Zimmerman telegram” proposing to allow another race to overrun the Romulans. When the Romulan Senator realized the fake and went to tell the Senate, his ship was destroyed so that any discrepancies on the evidence would be written off as damage in the explosion. In the end, the Romulans declared war.

The Cardassian commented to Cisco that the Federation had it’s needed ally, and all it cost was one man his life, and another his self respect.

That the leftists think they can bare this price is....terrifying, because of what it means.


76 posted on 09/03/2008 6:41:26 PM PDT by Hawk1976 (It is better to die in battle than it is to live as a slave.)
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To: infowarrior

If it comes to it, I don’t care if I see the other side. It isn’t important. I want my children to know what it is to walk in true freedom, and I will pay any price for that.


77 posted on 09/03/2008 6:44:02 PM PDT by Hawk1976 (It is better to die in battle than it is to live as a slave.)
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To: Hawk1976; Noumenon
If it comes to it, I don’t care if I see the other side. It isn’t important. I want my children to know what it is to walk in true freedom, and I will pay any price for that.

Not my children, who are grown now, but *THEIRS*, my grandchildren. For them I will stand in the gap, fall fair, fall foul, and should I see the other side of it, like our FRiend Noumenon, I will not be forgiving...

the infowarrior

78 posted on 09/03/2008 9:04:27 PM PDT by infowarrior (“Let the voters decide if Palin is laughable.”-Tublecane)
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To: alarm rider
Am I wrong?

No, you're most emphatically *not* wrong. We thought we were getting close during the Clinton years, but now? It's escalating, and escalating fast. Nobody knows what the touchstone is going to be, but the tinder is quite dry, and the resulting conflagration will be tremendous.

Insanity appears to be ruling the day, and "The Crazy Years" may well be just around the corner...

the infowarrior

79 posted on 09/03/2008 9:14:58 PM PDT by infowarrior (“Let the voters decide if Palin is laughable.”-Tublecane)
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