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Palin asked librarian about removing books(barf alert!)
Lewiston Sunjournal ^ | Rindi White

Posted on 09/06/2008 12:09:12 PM PDT by mainestategop

WASILLA, Alaska- Back in 1996, when she first became mayor, Sarah Palin asked the city librarian if she would be all right with censoring library books should she be asked to do so.

According to news coverage at the time, the librarian said she would definitely not be all right with it. A few months later, the librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, got a letter from Palin telling her she was going to be fired. The censorship issue was not mentioned as a reason for the firing. The letter just said the new mayor felt Emmons didn't fully support her and had to go.

(Excerpt) Read more at sunjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Alaska
KEYWORDS: andrewaucoin; aucoin; banned; bannedbooks; books; censorship; emmons; hoaxes; jessamynwest; liberalmyths; liberalspin; libmyths; librarian; library; maryellenemmons; mccainpalin; myths; palin; palinrecord; wasilla
So... Just what were those books I wonder that had to be pulled and why the left is aghast at it.

That library is a taxpayer institution, if there is somthing that is offensive to the community then they should get to have it removed.

1 posted on 09/06/2008 12:09:12 PM PDT by mainestategop
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To: mainestategop
It's BS

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/06/the-bogus-sarah-palin-banned-books-list/

2 posted on 09/06/2008 12:10:35 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: mainestategop

The media keep trying to out her as a religious pro life conservative...as if the public doesn’t already know.
lol
Odd.


3 posted on 09/06/2008 12:11:11 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: mainestategop

Already been discredited. The list is a fake. Just more crap flowing out from Camp Obama!


4 posted on 09/06/2008 12:11:28 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (McCain/Palin '08! Real change you won't have to "believe in." You'll be able to see it!!!)
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To: mainestategop

I’ve seen my library in years past spend a TON of money on extremely expensive astrology and occult books ($50 each),
while books on current political topics (Jonah Goldberg,
etc.) either would not be purchased or would have one copy purchased—sometimes only after a request.

Check and see what your library buys, and for whom; and what it does not buy (or buys only one copy of).

It’s your library (as they say), and your money.


5 posted on 09/06/2008 12:12:01 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: mainestategop

According to the article, there never were any books removed. Simply the concept was enough to send the library bonkers ... as librarians are among the farthest of the far-left professions.


6 posted on 09/06/2008 12:12:25 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("McCain and Palin: The Normal People Revolution" ~ rrrod)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Already been discredited. The list is a fake. Just more crap flowing out from Camp Obama!
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thank you!


7 posted on 09/06/2008 12:13:46 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: mainestategop

Bullshit. There is no record of her having attempted to ban any books whatsoever. And please don’t make freepers look like fascists by suggesting that books SHOULD be banned.

This is another fabricated smear. Thank goodness we have Malkin and others like her to debunk them.


8 posted on 09/06/2008 12:13:52 PM PDT by lieutenant columbo
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To: lieutenant columbo

See Malkin’s article. Totally fake.


9 posted on 09/06/2008 12:15:36 PM PDT by squarebarb
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To: mainestategop
All charges against Gov. Palin should first be met with, “Assuming that this has even the remotest thread of backing evidence,...”

That said, barring material from being free to peruse from a governmentally owned library IS NOT censorship. These idiots wouldn't know censorship unless they were given free reign, then they'd implement it real fast.

10 posted on 09/06/2008 12:16:10 PM PDT by SampleMan (Community Organizer: What liberals do when they run out of college, before they run out of Marxism.)
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To: mainestategop

I thought this was debunked already?

By Michelle Malkin • September 6, 2008 12:01 AM

Photoshop: David Lunde

Palin Derangement Syndrome strikes again. This time it’s hysterical librarians and their readers on the Internet disseminating a bogus list of books Gov. Sarah Palin supposedly banned in 1996. Looks like some of these library people failed reading comprehension. Take a look at the list below and you’ll find books Gov. Palin supposedly tried to ban…that hadn’t even been published yet. Example: The Harry Potter books, the first of which wasn’t published until 1998.

The smear merchants who continue to circulate the list also failed to do a simple Google search, which would have showed them that the bogus Sarah Palin Banned Book List is almost an exact copy-and-paste reproduction of a generic list of “Books Banned at One Time or Another in the United States” that has been floating around the Internet for years. STACLU notes that the official Obama campaign website is also perpetuating the fraud. And it’s spread to craigslist, where some unhinged user is posting images likening Palin to Hitler. Here it is again.

The person who first spread the Palin smear is identified as “Andrew Aucoin,” a commenter on the blog of librarian Jessamyn West. West has done the right thing in keeping the bogus comment up and pointing out in her main post that “there appears to be no truth to the claim made by the commenter, and no further documentation or support for this has turned up.”

It’s a fake. Not true. Total B.S. A lie.

If it gets sent to you by a moonbat friend or family member, set ‘em all straight. Fight the smears. They’ve only just begun.

The bogus Sarah Palin Banned Books List:

This is the list of books Palin tried to have banned. As many of you will notice it is a hit parade for book burners.

A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L’Engle
Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
Blubber by Judy Blume
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
Canterbury Tales by Chaucer
Carrie by Stephen King
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Christine by Stephen King
Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Cujo by Stephen King
Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
Daddy’s Roommate by Michael Willhoite
Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
Decameron by Boccaccio
East of Eden by John Steinbeck
Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland
Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
Forever by Judy Blume
Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
Have to Go by Robert Munsch
Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
Impressions edited by Jack Booth
In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
It’s Okay if You Don’t Love Me by Norma Klein
James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
Lady Chatterley’s Lover by D.H. Lawrence
Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
Lord of the Flies by William Golding
Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
Lysistrata by Aristophanes
More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher Collier
My House by Nikki Giovanni
My Friend Flicka by Mary O’Hara
Night Chills by Dean Koontz
Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest by Ken Kesey
One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
Ordinary People by Judith Guest
Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women’s Health Collective
Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz
Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
Separate Peace by John Knowles
Silas Marner by George Eliot
Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
The Bastard by John Jakes
The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
The Devil’s Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood
The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
The Living Bible by William C. Bower
The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman
The Pigman by Paul Zindel
The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
The Shining by Stephen King
The Witches by Roald Dahl
The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
Then Again, Maybe I Won’t by Judy Blume
To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff
Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween Symbols by Edna Barth

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From the Anchorage Daily News story that inflamed P.D.S.:

Back in 1996, when she first became mayor, Sarah Palin asked the city librarian if she would be all right with censoring library books should she be asked to do so.

According to news coverage at the time, the librarian said she would definitely not be all right with it. A few months later, the librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, got a letter from Palin telling her she was going to be fired. The censorship issue was not mentioned as a reason for the firing. The letter just said the new mayor felt Emmons didn’t fully support her and had to go.

Emmons had been city librarian for seven years and was well liked. After a wave of public support for her, Palin relented and let Emmons keep her job.

It all happened 12 years ago and the controversy long ago disappeared into musty files. Until this week. Under intense national scrutiny, the issue has returned to dog her. It has been mentioned in news stories in Time Magazine and The New York Times and is spreading like a virus through the blogosphere.

The stories are all suggestive, but facts are hard to come by. Did Palin actually ban books at the Wasilla Public Library?

…Were any books censored banned? June Pinell-Stephens, chairwoman of the Alaska Library Association’s Intellectual Freedom Committee since 1984, checked her files Wednesday and came up empty-handed.

Pinell-Stephens also had no record of any phone conversations with Emmons about the issue back then. Emmons was president of the Alaska Library Association at the time.


11 posted on 09/06/2008 12:18:46 PM PDT by realcleanguy ("I have not yet begun to fight")
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To: lieutenant columbo

Apparently Palin also said in 1997 that everyone should see Return Of The King, she also said in 1998 that Katrina victims were winers. Word is when she was a young girl in 1974 she was a big fan of President Reagan.


12 posted on 09/06/2008 12:19:03 PM PDT by icwhatudo (If my brother-n-law threatened to kill my father-I'd tell his boss too (Just like Palin did))
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To: lieutenant columbo
please don’t make freepers look like fascists by suggesting that books SHOULD be banned.

Why should they be? That's liberalism. Where I live in Bangor the left wants to ban books by conservatives in Borders and Barnes and Noble. A few years ago one tried to steal books by conservative authors.

13 posted on 09/06/2008 12:19:19 PM PDT by mainestategop (MAINE: The way communism should be)
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To: mainestategop
Were any books censored banned? June Pinell-Stephens, chairwoman of the Alaska Library Association's Intellectual Freedom Committee since 1984, checked her files Wednesday and came up empty-handed.

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Palin told the Anchorage Daily News then that the letters were just a test of loyalty as she took on the mayor's job, which she'd won from three-term mayor John Stein in a hard-fought election. Stein had hired many of the department heads. Both Emmons and Stambaugh had publicly supported him against Palin.

Nothing there

Palin might have become a household name in the last week, but Kilkenny, who is not a Palin fan, is on her own small path to Internet fame. She sent out an e-mail earlier this week to friends and family answering, from her perspective, the question non-Alaskans are asking any Alaskan they know: "Who is this Sarah Palin?"

Kilkenny's e-mail got bounced through cyberspace and ended up on news blogs. Now the small-town mom and housewife is scheduling interviews with national news media and got her name on the front page of The New York Times, even if it was misspelled.

Kilkenny sounds like a "Jersey Girl"

14 posted on 09/06/2008 12:19:58 PM PDT by frithguild (Can I drill your head now?)
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To: mainestategop

The librarian jumped the gun. Sarah wanted to remove Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn. Everybody knows those are racist tracts and have been removed from many libraries. If she’d only waited—


15 posted on 09/06/2008 12:21:05 PM PDT by saganite (Obama is a political STD)
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To: icwhatudo

One time, in 1986, Palin called Bill Clinton unfit to be President of the United States, given his behavior in the Lewinsky affair.


16 posted on 09/06/2008 12:21:40 PM PDT by Petronski (Zero-bama. All this time we thought it was an "O" but, nope, it's just a "0".)
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To: realcleanguy; All
The bogus Sarah Palin Banned Books List:

And then we get a list of just about every book that has ever been controversial. Yup, its fake.

Well thanks for pointing that out to me. I just learned about it. What about the allegations that Sarah cut funding for special needs children as governor? I heard a lot about that the past week since she has a baby with down syndrome.

17 posted on 09/06/2008 12:23:11 PM PDT by mainestategop (MAINE: The way communism should be)
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To: Petronski

She was too busy dealing with the Iranian Hostage crisis in 1986, to deal with President Clinton.


18 posted on 09/06/2008 12:25:08 PM PDT by icwhatudo (If my brother-n-law threatened to kill my father-I'd tell his boss too (Just like Palin did))
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To: mainestategop

Hope this helps

Covenant House Alaska is a multi-service agency serving homeless and runaway youth, including teen mothers. The majority of the agency’s annual operating budget is privately raised, with no more than 10 to 15 percent of funds coming from state grants in any given year. We are grateful for the support we have received from Governor Sarah Palin, the Alaska legislature and our Congressional delegation over the years.

Despite some press reports to the contrary, our operating budget was not reduced. Our $3.9 million appropriation is directed toward a multi-year capital project and it is our understanding that the state simply opted to phase in its support for this project over several years, rather than all at once in the current budget year.

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There it was in the Washington Post - big letters: Palin Slashed Funding for Teen Moms.

By Paul Kane
ST. PAUL — Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee who revealed Monday that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, earlier this year used her line-item veto to slash funding for a state program benefiting teen mothers in need of a place to live.

After the legislature passed a spending bill in April, Palin went through the measure reducing and eliminating funds for programs she opposed. Inking her initials on the legislation — “SP” — Palin reduced funding for Covenant House Alaska by more than 20 percent, cutting funds from $5 million to $3.9 million. Covenant House is a mix of programs and shelters for troubled youths, including Passage House, which is a transitional home for teenage mothers.

According to Passage House’s web site, its purpose is to provide “young mothers a place to live with their babies for up to eighteen months while they gain the necessary skills and resources to change their lives” and help teen moms “become productive, successful, independent adults who create and provide a stable environment for themselves and their families.”

Palin’s own daughter, Bristol, is five months pregnant and has plans to wed.

Sounds horrible and viciously hypocritical doesn’t it? That is the point, but it is all a complete lie.

Michelle Malkin and other bloggers looked up the records and guess what they discovered in mere minutes.

The documents show here, here, here, and here that Palin did not cut the funding from $5 million to $3.9 Million - Passage House had $1.2 million in state funding and Palin agreed to increase that funding to 3.9 million rather than $5 million; this means that Palin agreed to increase this funding by 225%. Only to Democrats and idiotic media pundits out on a crusade of hate is a 225% increase considered a cut.

No retraction from the Washington Post.

McCain Campaign, I know you guys read this blog, take my advice, you need to go on a constant, incessant, nonstop, hardcore offense. Think Fred Thompson speech 24/7.

UPDATE - US Magazine Casts its Vote (Hat Tip


19 posted on 09/06/2008 12:27:53 PM PDT by realcleanguy ("I have not yet begun to fight")
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To: mainestategop
What about the allegations that Sarah cut funding for special needs children as governor?

Like most if not all liberal spin, it's false. She cut the INCREASE in funding.

I'm not sure because I don't have the link in front of me but I believe the funding actually doubled or tripled even after what the liberals claim was a "cut."

20 posted on 09/06/2008 12:31:16 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: mainestategop
Ok so a rhetorical question was asked about removing books but there never was a request to actually remove books.
Ok a new administration fired the appointees of the previous administration.
Thats the story?
I say so freaking what.
21 posted on 09/06/2008 12:31:32 PM PDT by svcw (http://baskettastic.com/)
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To: realcleanguy

I have read nearly everybook on that list. Some of them aren’t books I would have young people reading, especially Stephen King, I started reading books like that at a young age, but my parents weren’t exactly hands on. I have with my own children steered them away from reading and viewing things to mature for them. I don’t see a problem with censoring (if that is what you want to call it) what children read and view. I guess Liberals won’t be happy until Playboy and Hustler are on the library shelves.

I get that it is a phony list. I would support a lot of those books not being available to children though.


22 posted on 09/06/2008 12:32:51 PM PDT by YdontUleaveLibs (Reason is out to lunch. How may I help you?)
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To: realcleanguy

Harry Potter is Daddy’s Roommate by Michael Willhoite


23 posted on 09/06/2008 12:33:08 PM PDT by jaz.357 (the best in a war, very dangerous otherwise.)
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To: mainestategop

When’s the last time anyone has seen “Song of the South” and who “censored” that?


24 posted on 09/06/2008 12:34:18 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: mainestategop

Palin Rumors


25 posted on 09/06/2008 12:59:06 PM PDT by navysealdad (http://drdavehouseoffun.com/)
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To: piasa

In my city, the Librarian has the authority to censor books, and it is something not talked about much. Once when my city’s library books were checked, they discarded a lot of books. One of them happened to be Elron Hubbard’s big Scientology book, and I know that this is true, for they gave that book to me, and I read it and later burned it.


26 posted on 09/06/2008 1:04:20 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: mainestategop

WASILLA KEEPS LIBRARIAN, BUT POLICE CHIEF IS OUT
Anchorage Daily News (AK) - February 1, 1997
Author: S.J. Komarnitsky Daily News Mat-Su Bureau ; Staff
City librarian Mary Ellen Emmons will stay, but Police Chief Irl Stambaugh is on his own, Wasilla Mayor Sarah Palin announced Friday.

The decision came one day after letters signed by Palin were dropped on Stambaugh’s and Emmon’s desks, telling them their jobs were over as of Feb. 13.

The mayor told them she appreciated their service but felt it was time for a change. ‘’I do not feel I have your full support in my efforts to govern the city of Wasilla. Therefore I intend to terminate your employment ...’’ the letter said.

Palin said Friday she now feels Emmons supports her but does not feel the same about Stambaugh.

As to what prompted the change, Palin said she now has Emmons ‘ assurance that she is behind her. She refused to give details about how Stambaugh has not supported her, saying only that ‘’You know in your heart when someone is supportive of you.’’

The three met briefly at Wasilla City Hall Friday afternoon, and Palin called them twice at Stambaugh’s home before making the decision.

Palin said she asked Emmons if she would support efforts to merge the library and museum operations. Emmons said she would, according to Palin.

Her conversation with Stambaugh was short, both said. He asked: ‘’What’s the basis for this?’’ and she gave no details.

The actions have caused a stir in Wasilla, a town of about 4,600. City Councilman Nick Carney, who has been an outspoken critic of Palin, said he received several calls at his home Thursday night and Friday from outraged citizens.

The sudden personnel shift is part of bigger problem of mismanagement in the city, he said, and may prompt a recall petition.

‘’Before, I told (people) to hold off, but now all bets are off,’’ he said. ‘’I fail to see what good this is doing for Wasilla.’’

But Councilwoman Judy Patrick said people voted change when they elected Palin and part of that is changing who is in charge.

Reached at home, Stambaugh said he still doesn’t understand why he’s been fired. ‘’There never was an appropriate response,’’ he said. ‘’How did we not support the administration?’’

Now he’s talking to an attorney. While both Stambaugh and Emmons serve at the mayor’s pleasure, Stambaugh said he has a contract that prohibits the city from firing him without cause.

Both Stambaugh and Emmons publicly supported Palin’s opponent, long-time mayor John Stein during the campaign last fall. When she was elected, Palin questioned their loyalty and initially asked for their resignations. But Stambaugh said he thought any questions had been resolved.

Stambaugh has headed the Wasilla Police Department since it was created in 1993. Before that, he worked 22 years with Anchorage Police Department, rising to the rank of captain before retiring.

Emmons , who has been the city’s library director for seven years, would not comment about the affair.


27 posted on 09/06/2008 1:13:03 PM PDT by maggief (Difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull ... lipstick!)
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To: Tax-chick

“... as librarians are among the farthest of the far-left professions.”

Not all of us.


28 posted on 09/06/2008 1:41:40 PM PDT by Library Lady
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To: piasa

I have been looking for “Song of the south” for my grandkids, came up empty. I the movie when

I was a child and I still get a good feeling when I remember it.


29 posted on 09/06/2008 1:43:14 PM PDT by jincarolina (I)
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To: mainestategop

If the books contained porn or were of an explicit sexual nature, she was well within her rights to call for them to be banned. Anyone who walks into a library, children, would be exposed to that crap. Since it’s a public place, the library does not have a ‘free speech’ argument to make. The owners of the library are the taxpayers and we decide what is legit and trash.


30 posted on 09/06/2008 1:44:17 PM PDT by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: Library Lady

No, I was attempting to convey that by saying “professions” instead of “people,” but I was tired and clearly didn’t succeed.


31 posted on 09/06/2008 1:45:52 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("McCain and Palin: The Normal People Revolution" ~ rrrod)
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To: mainestategop

First of all the town does not hire or fire the Town Librarian, anywhere that I know of. Usually a Library has trustees of the Library, and they do the firing and hiring.


32 posted on 09/06/2008 2:32:50 PM PDT by AmericanMade1776 ( Our Mamma beats your Obama)
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To: mainestategop

Books promoting the homosexual agenda?
Books promoting sex with children or animals?
Books promoting torture and so many other topics?
Hell yes. Get them banned.
Then take their authors to the local square and stone them.


33 posted on 09/06/2008 3:20:18 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Tax-chick

You succeeded, and I agree. I have heard it all from the inside. As a school librarian, I also have refused to join the NEA. My point was that there are a few conservative librarians left. Unfortunately, it is very few.


34 posted on 09/06/2008 3:43:48 PM PDT by Library Lady
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To: Library Lady

It’s too bad, because there’s nothing inherently leftist about books. Maybe it has something to do with the education process for librarians, just as for teachers. There’s nothing inherently leftist about teaching!


35 posted on 09/06/2008 4:04:37 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("McCain and Palin: The Normal People Revolution" ~ rrrod)
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To: Tax-chick

You would think librarians and teachers would be conservatives. Go figure. I guess the communists and socialists have been successful in implementing their goals.


36 posted on 09/06/2008 4:32:13 PM PDT by Library Lady
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To: Library Lady

I had some great public school teachers when I was growing up, including a Korean War vet, a Vietnam vet, and a math teacher who’d taught at West Point and had a pistol in his briefcase.

Conservatism is about reality, and good books are about reality (even fictional reality). It will all come back to us eventually.


37 posted on 09/06/2008 6:49:21 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("McCain and Palin: The Normal People Revolution" ~ rrrod)
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To: Tax-chick

I pray that you are right. I was feeling low about the prospects until Senator McCain chose Governor Palin as his running mate. The response to his choice gives me hope that all is not lost.


38 posted on 09/07/2008 5:49:00 AM PDT by Library Lady
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To: mainestategop

CNN Report found it to be a hoax. And a poor one at that. Some of the boks were not even written in 1996.

My hats off to CNN. I’d never thought I’d say that.

CNN Video.

http://www.cnn.com/video/savp/evp/?loc=dom&vid=/video/politics/2008/09/08/tatton.palin.books.rumor.cnn


39 posted on 09/08/2008 8:29:50 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: NavyCanDo

ping..


40 posted on 09/10/2008 11:39:37 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (Conservatives are to McCain what Charlie Brown is to Lucy.)
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