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AP Pic Of Biden Trashing American Flag Up On Yahoo
Yahoo ^ | 08/28/2008 | (AP Photo/Chris Carlson)

Posted on 09/07/2008 5:53:17 AM PDT by pjsbro

Democratic vice presidential nominee Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., his wife, Jill, center, and Michelle Obama, wife of Democratic presidential nominee, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., applaud during talk on the final night at the Democratic National Convention in Denver, Thursday, Aug. 28, 2008. (AP Photo/Chris Carlson)

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KEYWORDS: 2008dncconvention; biden; flags; obama; obamabiden; oldglory
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This is unbelievable...
1 posted on 09/07/2008 5:53:17 AM PDT by pjsbro
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To: pjsbro

You may want to save a copy of that photo.

It might disappear, once the AP realizes what it is showing.


2 posted on 09/07/2008 5:55:01 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: pjsbro

But it’s not a real flag, only a prop.


3 posted on 09/07/2008 5:55:46 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: TomGuy
You may want to save a copy of that photo.

I did!

4 posted on 09/07/2008 5:56:40 AM PDT by bcsco (Sarah America! Ignore the lipstik at your peril!)
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To: pjsbro

Country before Party, eh Joe?


5 posted on 09/07/2008 5:57:15 AM PDT by TxPhysicist (Police response is 15 minutes, mine is about 15 seconds -- does that make me a first responder?)
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To: pjsbro
Maybe someone threw it at him and missed.
6 posted on 09/07/2008 5:59:09 AM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: TomGuy

It is also up on another thread.


8 posted on 09/07/2008 5:59:29 AM PDT by John Robie
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To: pjsbro

I saved a copy. We need to put this picture out there along with the discarded American flags the Libs used for props at their Greek column farce.


9 posted on 09/07/2008 6:00:15 AM PDT by hdbc (i)
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To: pjsbro

I don’t think Biden would do that to the flag at a formal Senate function, but people tend to let their true selves be shown when they are among those who think like they do.


10 posted on 09/07/2008 6:01:58 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet (There's Always Something.............And there's always something worse!)
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To: pjsbro


Biden: "I'm tired of holding this flag, it's going on the ground." Michelle, clapping: "Good for you Joe!"
11 posted on 09/07/2008 6:03:00 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Does it get any better than Sarah Palin?)
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To: F15Eagle
I don't see Biden applauding.
12 posted on 09/07/2008 6:03:12 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Sarah Palin 08 12 16 20)
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To: pjsbro

It’s annoying having to carry that crap around during our party.

(as thought in the minds of Democrats)


13 posted on 09/07/2008 6:03:12 AM PDT by BobL (http://www.brusselsjournal.com/blog/4556 (here is where the real Europe is going))
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To: hdbc

First, many do not know flag ettiquite, you really aren’t supposed to print the American Flag on things such as shirts, paper plates, napkins and all that stuff that many use all the time without thinking.

Second, they handed out tons of these flags, and the flag could have simply fallen off of his chair. I guarantee you that if they handed these out at the GOP convention tons of them hit the floor too.

Frankly, printing little flags like is wrong in my opinion, I’m a hard core conservative but this photo means nothing really, non issue, sorry. You print little flags like there they’re going to wind up on the floor, in BOTH HOUSES.


14 posted on 09/07/2008 6:04:15 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian
...this photo means nothing really, non issue, sorry...

Bzzzzzt. Wrong.

16 posted on 09/07/2008 6:06:31 AM PDT by Petronski (Zero-bama. All this time we thought it was an "O" but, nope, it's just a "0".)
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To: Petronski

It’s a childish issue. Two seconds after that photo he could have picked it up, give me a break, this is rediculous, that flag should not have been created in the first place.


17 posted on 09/07/2008 6:09:53 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

That photo is gold.


18 posted on 09/07/2008 6:11:08 AM PDT by Petronski (Zero-bama. All this time we thought it was an "O" but, nope, it's just a "0".)
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To: Petronski
No. Section 8i of the Flag Code reads: "It should not be ... printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard."

So printing them and chucking them in trash by the 1000's is fine but oh boy, don't let it hit the ground, but later, go ahead and chuck it in a barrel with dirty diapers and other garbage that's fine, whatever ....
19 posted on 09/07/2008 6:14:17 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: pjsbro

Biden crosses his legs like a woman.


20 posted on 09/07/2008 6:14:18 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Hussein Obama the Clean for King Pussy 2008!)
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To: Scythian

You don’t get the point at all. Are you missing it or purposely fogging the issue?
It’s not about the flag exactly, it’s about Biden’s casual disregard of honoring our country’s flag. And he is asking us to put him in a position of power over that country.
And if he picked it up in a minute, it would still have been on the floor and it’s not to be put on the floor.

And the image of the flag is fine on T shirts, when worn respectfully. Not to change the oil in your car or anything.
The flag is not to be used for any other purpose. Like a tablecloth or curtain.


21 posted on 09/07/2008 6:16:18 AM PDT by DeLaine (For those who have fought for it, freedom has a taste the protected will never know.)
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To: pjsbro

There are all kinds of things I can let slide concerning the flag and patriotism.

Kid Rock wearing the flag at a 9/11 concert? Ignorance combined with wanting to do something to show how much he loves the flag. Forgivable.

Someone not putting their hand over their heart but standing silently and respectfully during the National Anthem? Ignorance due to the fact that we haven’t taught good flag ettiquette in public schools for a quarter of a century.

A smelly code pinker tossing a hand held flag in the trash at the end of a political convention? A little closer to unacceptable, but at least they weren’t burning it, I can still let it slide.

A 36 year veteran of the United States Senate and vice-Presidential candidate placing a hand flag point down by his seat at a political convention?

Nope, that is inexcusable. He is around the history and culture of the flag all the time. He is, literally, steeped in the flag code. He knows how to treat the flag properly like he knows how to breathe... or at least he absolutely should, having spent that long in a position so powerful and prestigious.

It would be like Warren Buffet not knowing the rules on selling short or how much to tip a valet. Rules that people who are new to the culture or have never been taught before might flub up occassionaly, but he knows instinctively.

No, I will send an e-mail to Joe Biden’s office over this. He never had my vote, but he never had my animosity before. This is precisely why Democrats get their patriotism questioned.


22 posted on 09/07/2008 6:16:42 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Scythian

Too the average joe this looks really bad


23 posted on 09/07/2008 6:17:04 AM PDT by italianquaker (Great choice Mccain in Governor Sarah Palin)
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To: Scythian

You’ve stopped making sense. 8i doesn’t apply to that little flag Biden’s dropped to the floor. It’s about napkins, paper plates, etc.

If you want flags discarded as trash, you’ll have to look to Denver’s DNC.


24 posted on 09/07/2008 6:18:47 AM PDT by Petronski (Zero-bama. All this time we thought it was an "O" but, nope, it's just a "0".)
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To: Scythian

Yep. Before we try to turn this molehill into a mountain, we better make sure there are no similar pictures of Republicans in the proximity of discarded toy flags.


25 posted on 09/07/2008 6:19:15 AM PDT by G.Love (FREE LAZ)
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To: Scythian

Oh, by the way, that photo is gold.


26 posted on 09/07/2008 6:19:18 AM PDT by Petronski (Zero-bama. All this time we thought it was an "O" but, nope, it's just a "0".)
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To: Scythian
First, many do not know flag ettiquite,

He's a Senator. If anyone should know it, he should.

you really aren’t supposed to print the American Flag on things such as shirts, paper plates, napkins and all that stuff that many use all the time without thinking.

You're right.

From another Freeper: http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html#176

Second, they handed out tons of these flags, and the flag could have simply fallen off of his chair.

It appears propped against his chair and both of his hands appear free.

this photo means nothing really, non issue, sorry.

It's ammo.

27 posted on 09/07/2008 6:19:27 AM PDT by CE2949BB (McCain/Palin 08)
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To: Scythian
I'm with you!

ML/NJ

28 posted on 09/07/2008 6:20:58 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Scythian

Sorry, I do not agree. This fits in with the whole G-damn America attitude the Neo-Marxist Obama followers have. Maybe a flag falling off a chair during the hoopla of a convention isn’t a big thing, but these people don’t hold the flag and what it represents in high esteem. Yes, I am questioning their patriotism!


29 posted on 09/07/2008 6:24:53 AM PDT by hdbc (i)
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To: pjsbro

"DON'T QWESTHTUN MY PATWIOTISTHM!!!!!!!!!!"

30 posted on 09/07/2008 6:27:00 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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To: pjsbro

Joe “the corrupt lying plagarist elitist” Biden could give a damn about America. All he cares about is power, money and fame.


31 posted on 09/07/2008 6:33:01 AM PDT by sasafras (Diversity Programs = Mandated Racism)
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To: Scythian
Look again at the photo. The water bottle at Biden's feet gets more respect from him than the flag.

The bottle is upright.

Why?

Because it has a use for Biden, unlike the flag which is merely a stage prop.

If the Democrats didn't think that perhaps distributing all these flags as props would lead to their misuse, they're both unpatriotic AND stupid...

32 posted on 09/07/2008 6:36:35 AM PDT by pjsbro
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To: italianquaker

To the average Joe, Omarosa looks mad.


33 posted on 09/07/2008 6:38:31 AM PDT by csmusaret (McCain and Obama represent the evil of two lessers.)
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To: Scythian

I agree with you. The flag could easily have just fallen, and this moment could have happened to anyone. By raving about a non-issue like this, we sound like the right wing equivalent of the moonbats.


34 posted on 09/07/2008 6:41:02 AM PDT by Pravious
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To: TomGuy

bump


35 posted on 09/07/2008 6:41:04 AM PDT by EverOnward
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To: G.Love
"Yep. Before we try to turn this molehill into a mountain, we better make sure there are no similar pictures of Republicans in the proximity of discarded toy flags."

Big difference!! He's a United States senator running for the office of Vice President.

36 posted on 09/07/2008 6:45:37 AM PDT by LADY J
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To: pjsbro

Pictures tell a lot about the sincerity of politicians. Doubtful that the Associated Press noticed the flag under Biden’s chair when editing a Democrat “Kodak Moment”.


37 posted on 09/07/2008 6:49:03 AM PDT by fuzzthatwuz
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To: pjsbro
Check out this thread:

Where Did the Flags Come From?

Down in the thread, there's a link to other photos of the flags in garbage bags along with Obama signs. So much for Bambi saying they wouldn't disrespect the flag that way.

38 posted on 09/07/2008 6:51:24 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: LZ_Bayonet

The Dems missed a chance to gather up all those flags and reuse them (good for the environment) at their next pep rally, aka Uncle Teddy’s funeral.


39 posted on 09/07/2008 6:55:40 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Scythian
No. Section 8i of the Flag Code reads: "It should not be ... printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard."

So printing them and chucking them in trash by the 1000's is fine but oh boy, don't let it hit the ground, but later, go ahead and chuck it in a barrel with dirty diapers and other garbage that's fine, whatever ....

I agree, its a non issue. Images of the flag get put on address labels all the time. and where do those envelopes wind up? The trash, like you pointed out. I see we've arrived at the point in the election where the Republicans can do no wrong and the Dems get numerous threads for the slightest infraction real or perceived.

Hey, I found this image on someone's flickr site, let's track them down and demonize them. /sarcasm


40 posted on 09/07/2008 6:59:34 AM PDT by Netizen (If McCain really put 'Country First' he'd have been working on securing our borders.)
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To: Scythian
" I’m a hard core conservative but this photo means nothing really, non issue, sorry."

How about all the photos of the flags tossed in garbage bags? You may not think it matters, but it's an opportunity to zing the Democrats on their lack of respect for the flag. If the Dems and their liberal ilk in the media can fabricate issues to attack Republicans on, turnabout is fair play my friend. The difference is, this issue wasn't fabricated. The pictures tell the true story. Beating the Democrats at their own game is always a good thing.

41 posted on 09/07/2008 7:01:39 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: mass55th

How about all the photos of the flags tossed in garbage bags? You may not think it matters, but it’s an opportunity to zing the Democrats on their lack of respect for the flag. If the Dems and their liberal ilk in the media can fabricate issues to attack Republicans on, turnabout is fair play my friend. The difference is, this issue wasn’t fabricated. The pictures tell the true story. Beating the Democrats at their own game is always a good thing.

Yup!


42 posted on 09/07/2008 7:04:39 AM PDT by hdbc (i)
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To: G.Love
Yep. Before we try to turn this molehill into a mountain, we better make sure there are no similar pictures of Republicans in the proximity of discarded toy flags.

Oddly enough there were very few flags at all at the Republican convention. If the positions were reversed, I dare say that people would be accusing the dems of being unpatriotic for their lack of flags.

43 posted on 09/07/2008 7:27:47 AM PDT by Netizen (If McCain really put 'Country First' he'd have been working on securing our borders.)
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To: hdbc
Dems trash U.S. flags at DNC convention

(from WorldNetDaily)

Photo courtesy Denver Post blog page

Following their national convention in Denver last week, Democratic organizers heaped up thousands of unused U.S. flags, allegedly to throw them away, but the McCain campaign has since salvaged the Star-Spangled Banners for reuse at a rally in Colorado Springs.

A Denver Post blog reports that a vendor at Denver's Invesco Field discovered the discarded flags following Barack Obama's nomination speech at the mile-high stadium last week.

Democratic organizers have claimed that the flags were not meant to be thrown in the trash, but according to a Fox News report, McCain supporters claim the vendor found the bagged flags in and around garbage bins following the Democratic National Convention.

A group of Boy Scouts brought 84 garbage bags full of the discarded flags to the site of a Republican rally in Colorado Springs today, where veterans distributed them throughout the assembled crowd. McCain supporters waved the recycled flags and chanted "U.S.A." as they welcomed Republican candidate John McCain and his running mate, Sarah Palin.

The Post blog reports an estimated total of 12,000 small flags and one, full-size 3'x5' flag were discarded. Damon Jones, spokesman for the Democratic National Convention Committee, released a statement claiming that McCain supporters has swiped leftover bundles of flags from the stadium "to play out a cheap political stunt" calling into question Democrat patriotism.

Patriotic symbolism has been a thorn in the side of the DNC and Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama throughout the campaign. As WND reported earlier, credentials for the national convention drew attention for portraying the elements of the U.S. flag upside down.

Earlier in the campaign, Sen. Obama was photographed with Gov. Bill Richardson, Sen. Hillary Clinton and Ruth Harkin at a steak fry for Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin during the playing of the national anthem. Richardson, Clinton and Harkin placed their hands over their hearts, but Obama is standing casually with his fingers laced in front of him. He also previously said he doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin because it has become a substitute for "true patriotism."

To an Iowa television station, the Illinois senator explained he stopped wearing a flag pin following the 9/11 attacks. "I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest," he told the station. "Instead, I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great."

44 posted on 09/07/2008 7:30:57 AM PDT by Liberty Wins
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To: Liberty Wins

I want pictures. In this day and age of cell phones with cameras, surely someone has a picture of these 84 bags heaped into and around the trash dumpster. I saw two pictures in another thread where one pic had one bag of trash and the other pic was one bag of clean items in a bag and neatly placed by a chair.


45 posted on 09/07/2008 7:37:37 AM PDT by Netizen (If McCain really put 'Country First' he'd have been working on securing our borders.)
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To: pjsbro

” the flag is merely a stage prop” Bingo!
You have certainly nailed the reason this photo is indeed significant. Even the alpha #2 among literally scores of thousands of democrat dignataries treated it as such. One understands that had the Rocky Mountain Funeral Home provided cardboard fans they would have held more actual worth to this conregation.


46 posted on 09/07/2008 7:56:39 AM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: Petronski
Agreed, this is a non-issue and raising it makes us look as petty as they do.
47 posted on 09/07/2008 8:16:13 AM PDT by kezzek (MSM the voice of the Left)
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To: kezzek

No need to raise the issue. Just enjoy the publication of the photo.


48 posted on 09/07/2008 8:19:34 AM PDT by Petronski (Zero-bama. All this time we thought it was an "O" but, nope, it's just a "0".)
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To: Netizen

Senator Barack Obama, Governor Bill Richardson, Senator Hillary Clinton and Ruth Harkin stand during the national anthem.

Some supporters have suggested that perhaps the picture does not tell the whole story and that he may have raised his hand shortly after it was taken.

An ABC News video, however, shows that Senator Obama did not salute at any time during the Anthem and that everybody else on the platform did.

49 posted on 09/07/2008 8:27:38 AM PDT by Liberty Wins
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To: Netizen

That’s because the Dem Party IS INDEED un-patriotic when compared to the Republicans.


50 posted on 09/07/2008 8:30:36 AM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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