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Hurricane Ike Live Thread
NOAA/NHC ^ | 7 September 2008 | NOAA/NHC

Posted on 09/07/2008 8:37:37 AM PDT by NautiNurse

Hurricane Ike is the fifth tropical cyclone of the 2008 hurricane season to threaten U.S. Gulf Coast states.

Reports from Turks & Caicos Islands describe 80 per cent of homes damaged or destroyed. On Sunday, Hurricane Ike's position just north of Hispanola was hampering relief efforts for devastation incurred by Hurricane Gustav and Tropical Storm Fay. The death toll in Haiti from Gustav reached 200 people.

Florida Governor Charlie Crist held a press conference Sunday morning shortly after a Hurricane Watch was issued for the Florida Keys.

Public Advisory Updated every 3 hours

Discussion Updated every 6 hours

Buoy data:

Florida & Eastern Gulf of Mexico

Western Gulf of Mexico

West Caribbean

Forecast Models

South FL Radar Loop
FL Keys Radar Loop
Cuba Radar Warning: site gets overloaded
FL Long Range Radar Image

Ike
Single Image Image Loop
Lat/Lon No Lat/Lon Short Long
Visible Visible Visible Visible
Shortwave Shortwave Shortwave Shortwave
Water Vapor Water Vapor Water Vapor Water Vapor
Infrared Channel 4 Enhancements
None None None None
AVN AVN AVN AVN
Dvorak Dvorak Dvorak Dvorak
JSL JSL JSL JSL
RGB RGB RGB RGB
Funktop Funktop Funktop Funktop
Rainbow Rainbow Rainbow Rainbow

Additional Resources:

Navy Tropical Cyclone
Storm Pulse Very cool site--scroll down for Ike

KeyNews.com Key West News
Miami Herald
NOLA.com
KPLC-tv Lake Charles News
WEAR-tv Pensacola FL
TBO.com Tampa Bay Online
KHOU Houston
WKRG-tv Mobile-Pensacola

Category Wind Speed Barometric Pressure Storm Surge Damage Potential
Tropical
Depression
< 39 mph
< 34 kts
    Minimal
Tropical
Storm
39 - 73 mph
34 - 63 kts
    Minimal
Hurricane 1
(Weak)
74 - 95 mph
64 - 82 kts
28.94" or more
980.02 mb or more
4.0' - 5.0'
1.2 m - 1.5 m
Minimal damage to vegetation
Hurricane 2
(Moderate)
96 - 110 mph
83 - 95 kts
28.50" - 28.93"
965.12 mb - 979.68 mb
6.0' - 8.0'
1.8 m - 2.4 m
Moderate damage to houses
Hurricane 3
(Strong)
111 - 130 mph
96 - 112 kts
27.91" - 28.49"
945.14 mb - 964.78 mb
9.0' - 12.0'
2.7 m - 3.7 m
Extensive damage to small buildings
Hurricane 4
(Very strong)
131 - 155 mph
113 - 135 kts
27.17" - 27.90"
920.08 mb - 944.80 mb
13.0' - 18.0'
3.9 m - 5.5 m
Extreme structural damage
Hurricane 5
(Devastating)
Greater than 155 mph
Greater than 135 kts
Less than 27.17"
Less than 920.08 mb
Greater than 18.0'
Greater than 5.5m
Catastrophic building failures possible


TOPICS: Cuba; Front Page News; US: Florida; US: Louisiana; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: florida; hurricane; ike; tropical; weather
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To: NautiNurse

Dear God, not again! Well, I will leave my suitcases packed, already have my important papers and things all together and am prepared to leave if it heads this way again. I feel for the people that live on those small islands, don’t know how they live through these things year after year.


61 posted on 09/07/2008 10:31:33 AM PDT by dougherty (I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. - Michelangelo)
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To: FlyVet

WOW... we sure hopped on you pretty hard there, didn’t we, FlyVet! Sorry - I’m sure each of us didn’t see the other’s post - or we wouldn’t have jumped - I know I wouldn’t have! I’ll bet you got the message, though, lol...


62 posted on 09/07/2008 10:32:21 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: dougherty

My sister is a nurse - takes classes into Haiti every year - it is a constant disaster. It has to be true that a major part of that is the annual hurricane season.


63 posted on 09/07/2008 10:34:14 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: kinghorse
It's unusal.
64 posted on 09/07/2008 10:35:54 AM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: dougherty
Way too early to know the ultimate landfall location for Ike. But if you have your heart set on a visit to the National Parks in New Mexico, September seems as good a month as any for a vacation. Lots of Floridians routinely take extended vacations to cooler climates in August and September.

;o)

65 posted on 09/07/2008 10:43:08 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Palin won more votes in her Wasilla Mayoral race than Biden got in his 2008 Pres run)
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To: AFPhys

I just reviewed the historical tracks that are up now. It is now apparent that Ike is even more in a class almost of it’s own.

From this location, every previous hurricane has been tracking WNW or more northerly than that. One(1888) overcame that and started going W, even WSW - eventually hitting the Yucatan. One(1926) ended up staying NW and going into MS/AL. Most of the rest went up through FL... but that’s not surprising since that is the direction they were already headed.


66 posted on 09/07/2008 10:45:04 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: wolfcreek

You’re reading my mind!

That’s what I’ve been examining the last 20 minutes!


67 posted on 09/07/2008 10:46:08 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: AFPhys

I wouldn’t be surprised if Ike went father south. We here in Texas, have been under a dome of high pressure most of the summer.

The Texas gulf coast is way overdue for a major storm.


68 posted on 09/07/2008 10:50:17 AM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: wolfcreek
Well, it is about time for me to blow this joint, and something continues to really bug me about IKE - - - I mentioned it yesterday - it still is anomalous - extremely - the SHIPS intensity model. I've really respected SHIPS in the past.

Yesterday (day before?), I showed how it takes IKE down to 44MPH (4 days from now). It has not changed its mind:

07Sep08 12Z run
now 24 48 72 96 120 (hours from now)
132 98 50 45 36 26 (predicted mph)

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/modelsummary.shtml
The “technical summary chart” of NHC still has very strong praise for SHIPS’ intensity predictions. Something isn't clicking for me right now. I was guessing that SHIPS was looking at historical tracks and going from there to intensity predictions, inspired by the tracks shown in a post above. That is NOT at all what it does- it is a tuned multiple regression model. “The predictors for SHIPS include climatology and persistence, atmospheric environmental parameters (e.g., vertical shear, stability, etc.), and oceanic input such as sea surface temperature (SST) and upper-oceanic heat content.” (... much more)

For some reason, SHIPS believes this sucker is going to really get degraded over the next two days.

I would really love it if someone seeing this could give me any explanation that this well respected intensity model is giving such a different solution!

I sure would love to see SHIPS predictions come true, because really, Ike scares me. It probably won't... but why is it so out of line?

69 posted on 09/07/2008 11:15:47 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: NautiNurse

Here we are


70 posted on 09/07/2008 11:15:52 AM PDT by L,TOWM (Mcwhatshisname/PALIN, '08!!!)
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To: AFPhys

Ben Nelson, Floridas state meteorologist, said this is a very complicated situation to forecast. I have heard that hurricanes cool the water. Gustav just went through these waters. Perhaps SHIPS is taking that into account?


71 posted on 09/07/2008 11:26:12 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (DRILL HERE-DRILL NOW-PAY LESS)
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To: AFPhys

Hey, not a problem at all. I didn’t take offense. You are of course correct. I’m just looking at the most probable path. A few days ago it looked headed right at N.O. and now it appears veering to the west. Nobody really knows where it will hit...yet.


72 posted on 09/07/2008 11:28:49 AM PDT by FlyVet
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To: NautiNurse; Petronski
"Don’t know of another system from the U.S. that would have caused the U.K. flooding. Didn’t see mention of what is headed their way in that article either."

I was talking about post #466 here on this thread.

Petronski Says: "A Tropical Storm In Britain?"

73 posted on 09/07/2008 11:32:47 AM PDT by blam
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To: AFPhys
For some reason, SHIPS believes this sucker is going to really get degraded over the next two days. I would really love it if someone seeing this could give me any explanation that this well respected intensity model is giving such a different solution!

Missing the obvious? 24 hours w/ core over or near Cuba land mass?

74 posted on 09/07/2008 11:33:32 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: NautiNurse; Petronski
"Don’t know of another system from the U.S. that would have caused the U.K. flooding. Didn’t see mention of what is headed their way in that article either."

I was talking about post #466 here on this thread.

Petronski Says: "A Tropical Storm In Britain?"

75 posted on 09/07/2008 11:34:48 AM PDT by blam
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To: abb

http://www.wjbo.com/cc-common/gallery/thumb.php?src=/export/home//cc-common/mlib/1178/09/122073414827.jpg&wmax=446&hmax=410&quality=90

Baton Rouge pic


76 posted on 09/07/2008 11:41:50 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 ('GOP' : Get Our Petroleum)
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To: steve86

I’m not missing that it is going over Cuba.

Other models have it going over Cuba, too, and none are downgrading nearly the way SHIPS is. SHIPS has been alone this week, as far as I know, in its persistent calling for downgrading Ike to a tropical depression.


77 posted on 09/07/2008 11:46:35 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: TornadoAlley3
"Baton Rouge pic"

Wow! Is that today?

78 posted on 09/07/2008 11:54:28 AM PDT by blam
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To: AFPhys

I don’t know how many times the NHC has stated NOT to put any weight in the models they use. Models are often wrong, pay attention to thier forecast. Not the models! And I don’t recall a NHC forecasting a Fla hit for Ike.


79 posted on 09/07/2008 11:54:57 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: AFPhys

This predicted nearly full east to west transit of Cuba is unprecedented and it is unlikely that any model deals with the situation adequately. The unusual thing for the models is that the island is narrow, so the core would be over land while the mid and outer bands still charged by warm water. There is plenty of uncertainty over what percentage of the total length of Cuba will be transited and how long the core is exposed to the hot waters south of western Cuba. I’m tending to go with the intuitive forecasts of experienced met professionals, and they seem to think anywhere from a TS to a cat 2 is possible.


80 posted on 09/07/2008 11:56:20 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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