If "Obeyme" gets elected, the 2nd amendment will be only one of many aspects of American Exceptionalism that will be forcibly degraded, at (ironically) gunpoint if necessary.
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Posted on 09/16/2008 6:12:07 AM PDT by TitansAFC
Obama yesterday, according to Jake Tapper:
"The bottom line is this. If you’ve got a rifle, you’ve got a shotgun, you’ve got a gun in your house, I’m not taking it away. Alright? So they can keep on talking about it but this is just not true. And by the way, here’s another thing you’ve got to understand. Even if I wanted to take it away, I couldn’t get it done. I don’t have the votes in Congress."
That "I don't have the votes in Congress" line has ricocheted around the country…
Yeah, but Obama can make sure Gun Manufacturers have NO protection from outrageous lawsuits and puts them out of business. Which is exactly what Obama did in the Senate.
I, I, I, me, me, me. How about this Obama: “Even if a president and Congress wanted to take your guns away, They could not. The 2nd Amendment is set in stone in our constitution”.
So, in reality, he in fact wants to recind the Second Amendment, but he’s just not able to at this moment with the current Congress.
What does he mean by I don’t have the votes in congress?
I thought everyone loved him.
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: This report studied the voting records of Senator Obama and Senator Reid as provided by Project Vote Smart (see links below). Obama supports the Democratic leadership as much as McCain supported the Republicans. But unlike McCain, when Obama bucks his party, it is not to work as a bi-partisan to come up with a solution, but it is to move to a more liberal extreme position pandering to the far left elements of the party. One of Obama's most disgusting plunges to far-left liberalism was to protect adults (non-parents) from talking minor children across state lines for abortions. Other votes that rivals that in disgusting was Obama's efforts to force troop reductions and de-funding the war. And surprise surprise, Obama did not support protecting the flag.
Barack Huesein Obama's Voting Record (Project Vote Smart)
Harry M. Reid Voting Record (Project Vote Smart)
The Percent of time Senator Obama voted with Senator Reid.
Abortion 100%
Agriculture 100%
Appropriations 100%
Budget, Spending Taxes 92%
Business and Consumers 88% - major difference was FISA, Alternative Energy Subsidies
Campaign Finance 100%
Civil Liberties 60% - major differences were FISA and Flag Desecration. Obama voted NOT to protect the flag, and the vote failed the Senate by ONE vote.
Congressional and Legislative Affairs 89%
Crime Issues 100%
Defense 87% - Major difference, Obama was being more liberal than Reid, trying to surrender in Iraq by forcing troop reductions. Cloture vote failed (7/18/2007). Obama was also more liberal than Reid by trying to not fund the war. Essentially, surrendering before the surge.
Education 100%
Employment and Affirmative Action 50% - Obama was being more liberal than Reid, trying to get an equal pay bill passed.
Energy Issues 82% - Major difference. Obama voted AGAINST drilling in the Gulf
Environmental Issues 75%
Executive Branch 94%. Just like Harry Reid, Obama voted against well qualified People such as Justice Alito, Justice Roberts, Justice Janice R. Brown, and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.
Family and Children Issues 75%. Obama was much more extreme than Reid. Obama thinks it is OK for non-parents to take minor children across state lines for Abortions. Absolutely disgusting. Thankfully it passed even a liberal Senate, no thanks to Obama.
Federal, State, and Local Relations 100%
Foreign Affairs and Policy Issues 92%. Major difference, Obama was against emergency funding for things like the War on Terror and Katrina.
Gun Issues 66%. Obama was even a bigger gun grabber than Reid. Obama did not want to protect manufacturers against unreasonable lawsuits in which they were not negligent.
Health Issues 100%.
Immigration 88%. Major differences, Obama voted to bring the widely unpopular Immigration Reform Bill to the floor. Oddly, it was a bill Sponsored by Reid, but Reid voted against Cloture. Obama was finally more conservative than Reid on ONE issue, supporting a fence.
Labor 89%. Obama again being more liberal, trying to stop appropriations for the war on terror. Oddly though, there was a provision in this bill which increases the federal minimum wage, so Obama voted against increasing the minimum wage.
Legal Issues 92%. The major difference here again was due to FISA.
Military Issues 89%. Obama being more liberal than Reid by trying to force the bill on Troop Reductions to a vote and Obama opposing funding.
National Security Issues 95%. This only difference was FISA.
Reproductive Issues 100%.
Science and Medical Research 100%.
Social Issues 100%. Reid and Obama both voted against allowing a vote on a bill that would prohibit the recognition of same sex marriage.
Technology and Communications 75%. FISA is only difference.
Trade Issues 67%. Only difference, Obama supported fast track for free trade with Oman. Must of been some Muslim thing.
Transportation Issues 100%.
Veterans Issues 100%.
Welfare and Poverty 100%.
OVERALL 90%*.
*Note: The Overall percent may be a bit more or less. Vote Smart includes a few of the votes in multiple categories because the bill covered a wide variety of issues, so they are counted in multiple categories. It will take some time to go through and weed those out. But in many of cases, it was a bill that Obama and Reid disagreed with (Like FISA, troop reductions, and emergency spending), so the overall percentage could be understated a bit. I will cross-correlate the votes if I have time tomorrow to verify the Overall percentage.
Get lost, Obama.
What if you did, Barry ?
Gun Issues 66%. Obama was even a bigger gun grabber than Reid. Obama did not want to protect manufacturers against unreasonable lawsuits in which they were not negligent.
Once again, it is just remarkable how inept the Republican leadership continues to be, that an election featuring this incredibly incompetent dolt, Barack Obama, is still a horse-race. First Gore, then Kerry, and now Obama, and we’re sweating out another close one. What a joke.
Interesting that someone they’re trying to pass off as some kind of scholar on Constitutional Law thinks all you need is a vote of Congress to start taking guns.
Sounds like his opinion on gas prices — he doesn’t mind that they go way up, just not so fast
Obama supported a "ban" on the sale and possession of handguns on a political questionnaire.
In 1999, he urged for prohibiting the operation of any gun store within five miles of a school or park, which according to gun-rights advocates would eliminate gun stores from most of the inhabited portion of the United States.
Obama sponsored a bill in 2000 limiting handgun purchases to one per month.
As state senator, he voted against a 2004 measure that allowed self-defense as an affirmative defense to those charged with violating local laws making it otherwise unlawful for such persons to possess firearms.
Obama also voted against allowing persons who had obtained domestic violence protective orders to carry handguns for their protection.
From 1994 through 2002, Obama was a board member of the Joyce Foundation, which amongst other non-gun related activities provides funds for gun control organizations in the United States.
While in the US Senate, Obama has supported several gun control measures, including restricting the purchase of firearms at gun shows and the reauthorization of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban.
Obama voted against legislation protecting firearm manufacturers from certain liability suits, which gun-rights advocates say are designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.
Obama did vote in favor of the 2006 Vitter Amendment to prohibit the confiscation of lawful firearms during an emergency or major disaster, which passed 84-16.
During a February 15, 2008 press conference, Obama stated, "I think there is an individual right to bear arms, but it's subject to commonsense regulation."
Obama has also stated his opposition to allowing citizens to carry concealed firearms and supports a national law outlawing the practice. Obama is rated F by the National Rifle Association. The NRA describes the recipient of its F grade as a "true enemy of gun owners’ rights."
He is also rated F by Gun Owners of America who stated that Obama will "Get the Dems 'Barack' into the Business of Gun Control".
-Wiki
Let us NOT leave out the obvious....
The PEOPLE will not allow the "weasel prince" to take them away.... Doggoneit he is such a putz....
If "Obeyme" gets elected, the 2nd amendment will be only one of many aspects of American Exceptionalism that will be forcibly degraded, at (ironically) gunpoint if necessary.
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Obama is trying to “nuance” gun rights by location.
Thus if you live in “bitter land” you will be allowed to own hunting guns, but if you live close to smart people you will not be allowed ot own guns.
So I’ll just push to make owning ammo illegal. - Obama
Regardless of how the amendment is proposed, the amendment must be approved by three-fourths of states, a process called ratification.
You have pledged to ban most semi-automatic rifles, including the type most popular with sport shooters (AR series), so just who do ya think yer foolin’ Obama?
Who do YOU think you are? You cannot use a flimsy piece of paper to stop Congress! </sarc>
What he didn't say: "You will still be able to buy and sell guns."
ping
“I don’t have the votes in Congress.”
That just means he will do it via an Executive Order. That is how he will handle many issues.
O-liar is running a stealth campaign in Montana.
These folks need to know that O has counted the votes he could get in congress towards gun banning.
For now he’s come up short. We cannot take the chance that only the government has the guns.
Guarantee ya the feds aren’t coming to our homes to try to take away our guns.
BUT the feds can make it impossible to purchase ammo.
Stock up NOW. Rumor has it there may be some rioting come Nov.5.
Well when you put forth a candidate that supports amnesty and is less concerned about the conservative base than attracting middle of the roaders don’t expect us conservatives to work hard for McCain. Had it not been for Sarah Palin very few real conservatives would be fired up at all.
Many find him to be a RINO.
Political ad on the radio here in NC this morning voiced by Ray Stockey(?)... Obama supports gun ownership.
Riiiight... and I support the tooth fairy.
For those few who don't know, ASHA is a front group for Brady/Handgun control, etc. They talk like a pro-gun, pro-hunting group, but support assault weapon bans, bans on ‘cop-killer’ bullets, closing gun show loopholes, etc.
In my mind this is the best indication yet that Obambi is all smoke, mirrors, and lies on gun rights issues. That his campaign actually used ASHA in one of their own ads is clear indicator of where he stands.
I wish we could get some video of this.
I have no problem with opposing the “Flag Desecration” amendment. The flag is important, but it’s not sacred (only God is sacred). I think that if someone buys a flag they have every right to show disrespect to it. I think it’s a bad thing, but I value the First Amendment itself more than it’s symbol.
Yeah, it is scary to think there are FOUR justices in the Supreme Court who can't find the 2nd Amendment in the Constitution. Just ONE more vote and the 2nd Amendment would have been stricken from the Constitution by Court decree. Going into Heller, I figured 7-2 easy, and was shocked by it being 5-4. Had Sandra Day still be on the court, I think the 2nd Amendment would have been history.
If I saw Barack as a huge champion of the First Amendment, I would agree. I am not that big on this Admendment either for free speech reasons, but this is a pattern of Obama being anti-flag. The no hand over the heart during the national anthem. Refusing to wear a flag pin on his lapel. The painting over of the flag on his plane. The Che Guevara flag in his campaign offices. Obama dishing America on foreign soil. And now this. Just the pattern that shows his underlying lack of pride in America.
Another joke is the 45% of the voting public that will vote for the dolt, or not vote for Mc/Palin because they are not "real conservatives".
Palin on the same topic? No reporter in the mainstream media would give her a chance to comment on the right to keep and bear arms!
Pray for my team, we are heading back into Indian country. The beat goes on.
BTW, that “well-regulated militia” bit doesn’t mean what the gun grabbers think it means. Check out Federalist Paper #29.
If the government needs to call up people into the militia in an emergency there will be no time to train them. So to ensure that people have the necessary rudimentary skills to be useful to the militia, they should all already know how to use a gun. Making sure everyone has a right to own a gun is a good way to ensure this.
Also check out the definition of “militia” in the U.S. Code. It’s not just the National Guard. It’s every female in the National Guard plus every male between the ages of 18 and 45. The National Guard is the organized militia and the rest of that group is the unorganized militia, but they’re all the militia. But the right to own a gun is not a function of whether or not you belong to the militia; it’s to ensure access to guns for people who are not in the militia.
LOL! See #41. GMTA
"I go further, and affirm that bills of rights, in the sense and in the extent in which they are contended for, are not only unnecessary in the proposed constitution, but would even be dangerous. They would contain various exceptions to powers which are not granted; and on this very account, would afford a colorable pretext to claim more than were granted. For why declare that things shall not be done which there is no power to do? Why for instance, should it be said, that the liberty of the press shall not be restrained, when no power is given by which restrictions may be imposed? I will not contend that such a provision would confer a regulating power; but it is evident that it would furnish, to men disposed to usurp, a plausible pretense for claiming that power." Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 84
The Constitutional Militia
The Framers feared two things: large standing armies and select militias. A select militia was an armed group formed not from the entire population of a jurisdiction by public notice, but selected by some method that might make them unrepresentative of the community, and a threat to lawful government or to the community. A regular standing army or police force is always a select militia, and it may serve the will of those in power, and be used against the people.
It Takes a Militia
Although the National Guard is sometimes referred to as the modern-day militia, it is in fact a federal force, subject to the control of the president in almost the same fashion as regular troops. The patina of state control that remains is almost entirely cosmetic. As Yale law professor Akhil Amar writes: "Nowadays it is quite common to speak loosely of the National Guard as `the state militia,' but 200 years ago any band of paid, semiprofessional part-time volunteers, like today's Guard, would have been called 'a select corps,' or 'select militia'--and viewed in many quarters as little better than a standing army.
Google search results "select militia"
"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress shall have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the People." Tench Coxe, 1788.
“Real courage is found, not in the willingness to risk death, but in the willingness to stand, alone if necessary, against the ignorant and disapproving herd.” Jon Roland, 1976
>If “Obeyme” gets elected, the 2nd amendment will be only one of many aspects of American Exceptionalism that will be forcibly degraded, at (ironically) gunpoint if necessary.<
If that’s the case then the enforcers will become, IMO, authorized targets. They can decide for themselves what end of the range they want to be on. Take the badge off and become a shooter, wear it and be a target.
This Obama statement was from earlier this month, and there was a FR thread about it.
This Obama statement was from earlier this month, and there was a FR thread about it.
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