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Size starts to matter: Ohio gives McCain-Palin a big crowd
Pittsburgh Tribune Review ^ | September 16, 2008 | Salena Zito

Posted on 09/16/2008 1:23:30 PM PDT by Salena Zito

VIENNA, OHIO -- You have to wonder with just 49 days left until election day, what is Sen. John McCain doing in Ohio's Mahoning Valley again?

It's not like there is a history of Republicans winning here. George W. Bush was only able to muster a little more than 36 percent of the vote in 2004, up 1 percent from 2000, when Bush went against Al Gore.

This rust-belt, blue-collar community with a heavy Democratic voter registration advantage has seen better times -- the steel industry is gone, replaced by a lower income service industry. The medium income hovers at $23,000 a year and nearly 30 percent of the residents live below the poverty line -- not exactly a Republican fertile area.

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1 posted on 09/16/2008 1:23:32 PM PDT by Salena Zito
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To: Salena Zito

Nice. Johnny Mac going for the jugular.


2 posted on 09/16/2008 1:25:35 PM PDT by Harry Wurzbach
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To: Salena Zito
hockey mom4
3 posted on 09/16/2008 1:25:42 PM PDT by feedback doctor (The first female president will be a Conservative Republican)
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McCain should just hammer every part of Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Over and over. He can beat Obama in those states.

Protect CO and VA and you are in.

I just hope they don’t start getting distracted by NY, CA, NJ, WA, OR and the like.


4 posted on 09/16/2008 1:26:39 PM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: Salena Zito

A link to the rally please!


5 posted on 09/16/2008 1:27:17 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: Salena Zito
Its two words: Reagan Democrats. Blue collar, socially conservative demographic. There's no other reason to be going there.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

6 posted on 09/16/2008 1:27:43 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: RoseofTexas

Streaming live right now on CNN.com.


7 posted on 09/16/2008 1:28:09 PM PDT by chpmass
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To: Salena Zito
Nice article, Salena. You write well.

Brains and beauty are a great combo!
8 posted on 09/16/2008 1:29:49 PM PDT by Antoninus (McCain/Palin -- The winning ticket!)
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To: Salena Zito

Its “median” income not “medium” income.


9 posted on 09/16/2008 1:31:43 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: chpmass

Any other outlets? I refuse to go anywhere near CNN.


10 posted on 09/16/2008 1:31:59 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: Salena Zito

All I can figure is: Sarah pulls in the Right votes, and McCain himself is RINO enough to be battling for the moderate and left wing votes, hoping to leave Obamarama with the far left votes.


11 posted on 09/16/2008 1:32:21 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Salena Zito

Who is out of touch? Obama just had a dinner of $28,000 a plate. The Soros crowd.

McCain and Palin should have a chicken,potato salad,bean dinner for $2.00......something we all love!!!!

Real people love....McCain/Palin

Plastic Surgeons love the Obama Crowd...have you seen Biden...scarey...he is beginning to look like Joan Rivers


12 posted on 09/16/2008 1:33:06 PM PDT by Texas4ever (SIT DOWN JUNIOR :))
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To: Crimson Elephant
I just hope they don’t start getting distracted by NY, CA, NJ, WA, OR and the like.

Exactly. In 2000, Bush spent too much time in CA under the delusion that he could carry that state. He neglected FL. What a mess that was.

13 posted on 09/16/2008 1:35:27 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what hall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: Crimson Elephant
While I understand your strategy, I also believe that if the campaign were to make a one day stop through NY, it could gain enough points to make the polling a statistical tie.

That becomes a REAL threat, esp if a major news outlet (Fox) starts reporting that McCain and Obama are now TIED in NewYork and that it is now a swing state. This will force the Dem's to respond and take them off their game plan.

As long as it is done once and used to upset the tempo of the Obama camp, it becomes asymmetrical leverage. Besides, NY is close to Pennsylvania so it could be done without too much disruption.

14 posted on 09/16/2008 1:35:39 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: RoseofTexas

Fox right now.


15 posted on 09/16/2008 1:36:09 PM PDT by Dr. Ursus (( commander of the simian host))
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To: stripes1776

I think it’s a good idea to play on your opponent’s side of the field, if you can.


16 posted on 09/16/2008 1:38:12 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: chpmass

Couldn’t find it on CNN. Have the link?


17 posted on 09/16/2008 1:38:27 PM PDT by seekthetruth
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To: stripes1776

Bush didn’t really have an exciting ticket. cheney? c’mon


18 posted on 09/16/2008 1:40:35 PM PDT by ari-freedom (We never hide from history. We make history!)
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To: RoseofTexas

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/blogs/fortyfourthestate/


19 posted on 09/16/2008 1:41:06 PM PDT by Salena Zito (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/blogs/fortyfourthestate/)
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To: Texas4ever

20 posted on 09/16/2008 1:41:06 PM PDT by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them.)
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To: Crimson Elephant

As long as the national race is within 5 points among likely voters (as it is right now when you add the roughly four point difference between likely voters and registered voters in the Gallup poll), I couldn’t agree more. And even if McCain expands his lead slightly beyond 5 points, I would avoid the additional states you mentioned except perhaps New Jersey, and even then only because of its proximity to Pennsylvania.

Bush made the almost fatal mistake of making a play for California, Oregon, and Washington in the last week of the 2000 election, while Gore spent his time in Pennsylvania and Florida. Let’s don’t repeat that mistake.


21 posted on 09/16/2008 1:41:55 PM PDT by kesg
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To: Crimson Elephant

As long as the national race is within 5 points among likely voters (as it is right now when you add the roughly four point difference between likely voters and registered voters in the Gallup poll), I couldn’t agree more. And even if McCain expands his lead slightly beyond 5 points, I would avoid the additional states you mentioned except perhaps New Jersey, and even then only because of its proximity to Pennsylvania.

Bush made the almost fatal mistake of making a play for California, Oregon, and Washington in the last week of the 2000 election, while Gore spent his time in Pennsylvania and Florida. Let’s don’t repeat that mistake.


22 posted on 09/16/2008 1:42:12 PM PDT by kesg
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To: Salena Zito

How big is the crowd today?


23 posted on 09/16/2008 1:43:02 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Mr. Smith is coming back to Washington in the name of Sarah Palin.)
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To: seekthetruth

There’s a big banner link right at the top of the page, or you can go over to the right of the homepage under “Video”.


24 posted on 09/16/2008 1:43:09 PM PDT by chpmass
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To: Crimson Elephant

NY...maybe...NJ...too many 28 days zombies voting in NJ...

WA and OR, especially WA, is just to fraud ridden to even try.

There are a couple of close House Races in VA and MD...I’d love to see an appearance there but...


25 posted on 09/16/2008 1:49:24 PM PDT by padre35 (Sarah Palin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..)
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To: nikos1121

over 7,000 i just sent a write thru of the event to the editor should be up soon on the blog link


26 posted on 09/16/2008 1:51:57 PM PDT by Salena Zito (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/blogs/fortyfourthestate/)
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To: kesg

Bush made the fatal mistake of not disclosing his DUI months b4 the final weekend. He would have won handily had it not been for his stupidity in this matter.

What, he thought the MSM would give him a pass?


27 posted on 09/16/2008 1:55:18 PM PDT by mwl8787
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To: Texas4ever
McCain and Palin should have a chicken,potato salad,bean dinner for $2.00......something we all love!!!!

That's actually a really good idea - sort of a Dan's Bakesale to counter this Streisand nonsense.

Would be a massive logistical nightmare to try to pull it off, though.

And a security nightmare - I imagine that the Secret Service would go ballistic if McCain started wandering around amongst the great unwashed masses at a 50,000 person picnic.

28 posted on 09/16/2008 1:56:13 PM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee (const Tag &referenceToConstTag)
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To: mwl8787

bump


29 posted on 09/16/2008 1:56:45 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (Obama is the Democrats guy. They bought the ticket, now they must take the ride.)
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To: swain_forkbeard
I think it’s a good idea to play on your opponent’s side of the field, if you can.

That field varies from state to state. It is better to spend resources in those states where the race is tight or close. Forget states like New York or New Jersey. And I don't think McCain is so stupid that he would spend much time in Kahlifohrneeya.

30 posted on 09/16/2008 1:57:44 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what hall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: Salena Zito
"Barack Obama says he's for equal pay for women, but women working in his Senate office earn an average of $9,000 less than men. By contrast, women in John McCain's Senate office actually earn an average of nearly $2,000 more than men.

I'll bet his 'sweeties' made a little more ...

31 posted on 09/16/2008 1:58:19 PM PDT by 11th_VA (VRWC Local 2774 - Working to make DC, RAT free)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

Let’s do it!! McCain doesn’t have to be there, maybe show up one or two times during the mediaPUKES frenzy. I’m willing to volunteer!!


32 posted on 09/16/2008 1:58:21 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: Salena Zito

Thank you for the prompt reply. This is really amazing. They go into a democratic strong hold and get a pretty good turn out. Biden on the other hand is in the area too, (don’t know if it’s a republican or dem precinct). I wouldn’t expect him to draw more than a couple hundred people.

The Obama Campaign is and was one of persona. Now that we have a race and more focus on the issues...his persona is falling apart.


33 posted on 09/16/2008 2:04:04 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Mr. Smith is coming back to Washington in the name of Sarah Palin.)
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To: ari-freedom
Bush didn’t really have an exciting ticket. cheney? c’mon

I am not sure whether you are being literal or ironic. Perhaps you would like to expand your comment.

34 posted on 09/16/2008 2:04:16 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what hall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: taxcontrol

I agree. Going into New York would be cool! Esp if you can draw 30 or 40 thousand people...


35 posted on 09/16/2008 2:06:08 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Mr. Smith is coming back to Washington in the name of Sarah Palin.)
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To: stripes1776

I’m saying that a McCain/Palin ticket has a lot more to offer than Bush/Cheney. Bush never inspired anyone


36 posted on 09/16/2008 2:10:02 PM PDT by ari-freedom (We never hide from history. We make history!)
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To: theDentist
All I can figure is: Sarah pulls in the Right votes, and McCain himself is RINO enough to be battling for the moderate and left wing votes, hoping to leave Obamarama with the far left votes.

Palin is a threefer. (1) She shores up the conservatives. (2) She helps with the female vote some and (3) She shows up at rallies with the "First Dude." Four time winner of 2000 mile Iron Dog race (snow mobile) across Alaska. She introduces him as a "Proud member of the United Steelworkers Union."

What demographic do you think she's going for in the rust belt? She and the First Dude are a dagger pointed straight at the rats hold on male, Reagan Democrats.

37 posted on 09/16/2008 2:10:02 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Salena Zito

The average income is 23K; Obama’s minions are paying 28.5K just to have to dinner with the Messiah tonight. Quite telling huh...but Barry is all about saving the ‘little people.’


38 posted on 09/16/2008 2:12:08 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (SarahNoid/SarahPhobia, the Irrational Fear of a Strong, Conservative Woman.)
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To: Salena Zito

I’m quite certain you meant “median income.”


39 posted on 09/16/2008 2:12:11 PM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: ModelBreaker

then mccain comes in, makes it clear that he does know what’s going on in wall street, then points out that Obama is in Hollywood with his friends.
hmmm was McCain reading my FR posts? :)


40 posted on 09/16/2008 2:13:52 PM PDT by ari-freedom (We never hide from history. We make history!)
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To: theDentist

That is almost a slur


41 posted on 09/16/2008 2:18:22 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Conservation? Let the NE Yankees freeze.... in the dark)
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To: ari-freedom
then mccain comes in, makes it clear that he does know what’s going on in wall street, then points out that Obama is in Hollywood with his friends.

did he really say that? tell me he did! i was impressed with his speech in Tampa today... talked about earmarks... pulled out a pen and said he would veto bills loaded with pork...

42 posted on 09/16/2008 2:25:18 PM PDT by latina4dubya (self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: ari-freedom
I’m saying that a McCain/Palin ticket has a lot more to offer than Bush/Cheney.

I agree completely. But I do think that Palin offers the stronger appeal of that duo.

43 posted on 09/16/2008 2:25:51 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what hall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: Prole

You missed putting Clinton in that picture.


44 posted on 09/16/2008 2:33:38 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: Salena Zito
Ha ha. This is too much fun. The latest is a video from a Hippie-waste-of-oxygen showing a morbid fear of the GOP ticket, likening McCain to Cotton Hill and Palin to Peggy Hill. That is another great reason to vote for them. Of course, in real life, the two KOTH characters despised each other. It could only get better if they found a way to wedge in ol' Hank Hill.
45 posted on 09/16/2008 2:36:55 PM PDT by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: latina4dubya

he even mentioned barbra streisand!

then he said something like “but I’d rather be here with you Ohio”
Every time Obama tries to raise money, it will be used against him because he’ll look like an elitist that’s out of touch


46 posted on 09/16/2008 2:38:41 PM PDT by ari-freedom (We never hide from history. We make history!)
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To: arrogantsob

Incomes come in small, medium or large. Whats your point?


47 posted on 09/16/2008 2:41:07 PM PDT by Mashood
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To: stripes1776
He neglected FL. What a mess that was.

That was because the MSM called FLA early and suppressed the vote--otherwise it is no contest
48 posted on 09/16/2008 2:48:54 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: kesg
while Gore spent his time in Pennsylvania and Florida.

Bet Gore wished Elian Conzalez hadn't spent time in FLA
49 posted on 09/16/2008 2:52:24 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: Antoninus

“Brains and beauty are a great combo!”

Seems to be a lot of this lately.


50 posted on 09/16/2008 2:53:10 PM PDT by rrrod
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