FactChecking Biden-Palin Debate (Factcheck.org Misses Tons of Bidens Lies)

FactCheck.org ^ | 10\03\08 | Fact Check.org

[markedmannerf]

* Palin mistakenly claimed that troop levels in Iraq had returned to “pre-surge” levels. Levels are gradually coming down but current plans would have levels higher than pre-surge numbers through early next year, at least.

* Biden incorrectly said “John McCain voted the exact same way” as Obama on a controversial troop funding bill. The two were actually on opposite sides.

* Palin repeated a false claim that Obama once voted in favor of higher taxes on “families” making as little as $42,000 a year. He did not. The budget bill in question called for an increase only on singles making that amount, but a family of four would not have been affected unless they made at least $90,000 a year.

* Biden wrongly claimed that McCain “voted the exact same way” as Obama on the budget bill that contained an increase on singles making as little as $42,000 a year. McCain voted against it. Biden was referring to an amendment that didn't address taxes at that income level.

* Palin claimed McCain’s health care plan would be “budget neutral,” costing the government nothing. Independent budget experts estimate McCain's plan would cost tens of billions each year, though details are too fuzzy to allow for exact estimates.

* Biden wrongly claimed that McCain had said "he wouldn't even sit down" with the president of Spain. Actually, McCain didn't reject a meeting, but simply refused to commit himself one way or the other during an interview.

* Palin wrongly claimed that “millions of small businesses” would see tax increases under Obama’s tax proposals. At most, several hundred thousand business owners would see increases.

[markedmannerf]

Talk about going soft on Biden!
BIDENS 14 LIES

(Biden Lies) Obamas Website: "Direct Presidential Diplomacy Without Preconditions"

[trumandogz]

* Palin claimed McCain’s health care plan would be “budget neutral,” costing the government nothing. Independent budget experts estimate McCain's plan would cost tens of billions each year, though details are too fuzzy to allow for exact estimates.

Did she really say that?

[Paige]

This is a dead even poll on Palin’s qualifications to be VP on PBS -

Please get everyone to vote.... http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

[Darkwolf377]

I generally trust that site, but in this case they seem more interested in “equality” over fairness—one Palin error, one Biden error, back and forth. Kinda dumb when you’re supposed to be about checking facts, not trying to create an illusion of “fairness”.

[Stepan12]

Fact check is a leftwing Annnenberg group. They're like Snopes in their Leftwing bias albeit worshiped by the media.

If people want any sort of accuracy for these type organization, they should go to Truth or Fiction. It doesn't try to make stupid justifications for Al Gore's remark about "inventing the internet" as Snopes does.

[drpix]

FactCheck.org's pretense of objectivity lasts as far as the header of their webpage:

Notice the "Annenberg" in the title. It's Annenberg Public Policy Center... from the same group (The Annenberg Foundation) that paid for Barack Obama's & Bill Ayer's radical collaboration (The Annenberg Challenge) in public education... and the same group that provided funding for the group ACORN, which dutifully supplies Obama's red-brigades to subvert America's housing market & voting process.

Any wonder why the irresponsible mortgage lending practices pushed by the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) & ACORN were not mentioned? OR why they failed to mention that Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac hopped up on CRA and democrat support grew to own or guarantee $5.5 trillion of America's total $12 trillion mortgage market and polluted the entire market with these junk mortgages?

[ari-freedom]

Palin repeated a false claim that Obama once voted in favor of higher taxes on “families” making as little as $42,000 a year. He did not. The budget bill in question called for an increase only on singles making that amount, but a family of four would not have been affected unless they made at least $90,000 a year.

oh that makes me feel so much better now. Obama is a true friend of the middle class /sarc

[cvq3842]

FactCheck is garbage.

[gotribe]

Yes she did say that. McCain’s whole plan to tax healthcare benefits as income is crazy.

[TheWasteLand]

Isn’t FackCheck run by a Clintonite hack?

[RightFighter]

I believe when she said it would be “budget neutral” she was talking about for the family budget, since they get the credit to offset the tax on their healthcare.

[Always Right]

Biden's and Obama's BIGGEST lie is on their tax proposal, insisting no one will pay more than under Reagan. Reagan's top rate was 28%, under Obama that rate will be over 55%, double than that under Reagan. Obama is tricky on this, because he uses the FICA tax. Under Obama the top rate will be 39.5% plus 15.625% because Obama lifts the cap off social security payroll tax. That is TWICE the rate is was under Reagan!

[Always Right]

Isn’t FackCheck run by a Clintonite hack?

It is run by a liberal professor and his students. I think they try to fair, but their left-leaning viewpoints come through too often.

[TheWasteLand]

Thanks for the info.

[Stars&StripesNE]

Fact check is registered to:

Registrant ID:C36603267-RCOM
Registrant Name:Brooks Jackson
Registrant Organization:Annenberg Public Policy Center

[Always Right]

Thanks for the info.

One of the least understood points that has to be made. Obama is raiding the social security tax. Instead of using his social security tax increase to solve social security, Obama is throwing those taxes into the general fund to pay for his welfare programs. Directly using NEW SS taxes to fund new programs has NEVER been done before and threatens the future of social security. It is a terrible tax for small business people because they pay BOTH sides and are hit double. A greater than 55% tax rate is NOT fair, when there are 50 million people not paying a dime who will be getting welfare checks under Obama.

[stockpirate]

I don’t trust that website, it was posted here on FR that factcheck was funded by a very left-wiing group.

[hocndoc]

Every one would get a tax credit for buying health insurance - whether self-employed or employed by others. If your employer chooses to give you an extra benefit package over that amount, then the cost would be taxable as income. I don’t know why the GOP is not selling this as much more “fair” (to use Biden’s favorite word).

Currently self-employed workers cannot deduct their insurance costs, while employers can.

Bush’s plan would have given 7500 as a base deduction for singles and 15000 to families.

The benefits are that the insurance company would work for the Patient, not the employer. People would demand plans with the sort of coverage they choose to have, not the every-thing-from-first-dollar coverage that costs so much today.

This is what happens with self-employed people who have to buy their insurance, today. They actually negotiate price with the doc if they have a Health Savings Account. And we’re able to give them a “cash and carry discount.”

I would imagine that most young people would buy a lower cost Major Medical Plan or Health Savings Account. The older, with kids might want more bells and whistles.

[LibLieSlayer]

This site (FactCheck) is aligned with the terroris ayels and obama... worthelss left-wing tripe!

LLS

[Skooz]

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