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Frank talk of Obama and race in Virginia
LA Times ^ | Oct 5, 2008 | Peter Wallsten

Posted on 10/05/2008 7:14:35 AM PDT by pennboricua

WHITEWOOD, VA. -- The isolated towns of Virginia's Appalachian coal region are home to strong labor unions and Democratic political machines that date back generations. Yet voters here who eagerly pushed Democrats into the Senate and the governor's office are resisting Barack Obama.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2008; appalachianvote; appalacia; banglist; bitter; coal; mccain; obama; ruralvote; smalltown; va2008
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To: KoRn

ammo is too expensive to waste, plus you might need it later. 500 rounds of 223 was going for $179.00 at the gun show yesterday. For some reason, Obama didn’t have a booth.


41 posted on 10/05/2008 11:36:31 AM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: KoRn

Out of range. I am near Richmond. We got “plugs” Biden to stay away though.


42 posted on 10/05/2008 1:39:53 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: MSF BU

“I forgot about Boucher, he’s still around? How are he and the boyfriend doing?”

So what, did you just have sudden need to call somebody a faggot? Boucher is married. To a woman. Just another ignorant comment.


43 posted on 10/05/2008 4:00:44 PM PDT by gracesdad
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To: Mr.Smorch

“I recently drove up through the Tidewater area,crossing the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel and up into Cape May County, NJ., and saw many big blue Warner signs, but nothing for fauxbama.”

I live in Tidewater area and I must say there are very few Obama signs. There are tons of McCain signs and I have only seen 3 yard signs for Obama so far. Something is happening on the ground that the polls are not showing. I have seen more support around here then I saw for Bush in 2000 or 04


44 posted on 10/05/2008 4:02:34 PM PDT by TwS88 (McCain/Palin 08!)
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To: KoRn
The funny thing is this: I have been a teacher for about 20 years and spent the last twelve split between two inner city schools. I have never once felt that my students disliked me on the basis of race. Many dislike me because I'm what they consider to be a tough and demanding teacher but just as many are extremely proud to brag about an "A" earned in one of my classes. I have seen other personnel including administrators, cafeteria staff, security personnel and even other teachers avoid me or speak to me as if race is on their mind. To this day, one of the security guards in the parking lot of my current school has never once looked in my direction, or responded to a cheery Good Morning! from me. Nothing. In the case of a very few teachers, the hatred is palpable and just rolls off them in waves. Part of that is definitely a conservative/liberal backlash in my direction. Far from being a depressing situation, I usually just laugh and try to kill 'em with kindness. I find it really rankles them when the target fails to sink to their own slimy levels. However, I'm pretty certain I may take the day after election day off, if there is a McCain win. Not so much due to any problems at the school, but the neighborhood is liable to be really a lot more dangerous than normal. I'll also take off my McCain stickers and resume my under-the-radar-life.
45 posted on 10/05/2008 4:03:09 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: TwS88
I spent some time in Norfolk and Virginia Beach on my way up to New Jersey, and I was amazed at the dearth of Obama signs, stickers, etc.

Do you get the feeling that the race in Virginia is not as close as the pundits and pollsters are making it out to be?

46 posted on 10/05/2008 6:10:51 PM PDT by AdvisorB (Baraq is the Arabic name of the winged horse that took mohammed to paradise from the DomeoftheRock)
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To: pennboricua

This is EXACTLY why Fauxbama is losing this election folks, the battleground is the rust belt, I dont’ care what the polls are saying, Fauxbama is going to lose PA, and likely 1 or 2 more of the previous D rust belt states.


47 posted on 10/05/2008 6:16:24 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Mr.Smorch

I believe the polls in VA are way off. I was in VA beach yesterday and I did not see one Obama sign. I saw tons of McCain signs.

I live in Chesapeake and Just around my neighborhood I lost count of the number of McCain/Palin signs. Some streets have a McCain/Palin yard sign almost at every house. The total number of Obama signs I have seen around the neighborhood is at 3. I saw more Gore and Kerry signs in the past.


48 posted on 10/05/2008 8:15:11 PM PDT by TwS88 (McCain/Palin 08!)
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To: ExSoldier

Yes, and MANY of these folks are the “college educated” demographic that the democrats supposedly have an edge in; they are precisely the ones that make that edge so.


49 posted on 10/06/2008 6:08:21 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: gracesdad

Yes, I’ve heard about the beard errrr, ‘wife’, relatively recent and VERY late in life. Boucher’s status is as well known in DC as the former governor of New Jersey’s was in the state capitol and especially among his police staff. The only difference between the two is that nobody has bothered to out Boucher.


50 posted on 10/06/2008 6:13:01 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: pennboricua

More liberal propaganda to get the Dem rank and file in line. It is racist not to vote for Obama. VA is a key battlegroiund state.


51 posted on 10/06/2008 6:14:58 AM PDT by kabar (.)
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To: ClayinVA

At the Tech Homecoming Parade, the Dems were getting turned down a lot. The Republican stickers were very popular.


52 posted on 10/06/2008 6:20:47 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: kabar

they learnt well from their mentoer Alinsky and the former Soviet Union, the more things are brought to light the more Joe Maccarthy appears to have been right all along.

The Dems are master propagandists.


53 posted on 10/06/2008 6:22:32 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: MSF BU

In fact the exit polls (the final and accurate one) showed that Preisdent Bush won the collegue graduates in 2004.


54 posted on 10/06/2008 6:31:23 AM PDT by jveritas (Use the nuclear option against Obama: Jeremiah Wright)
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To: jveritas

That doesn’t surprise me. I’d really love to see the crosstabs or even better, and in depth analysis of all the college educated people, where they are employed and who they support. The problem with the “college educated” category is that it implies those who have not been to college are less smart or less educated. By that standard, and enlisted or warrant officer in the navy, who has completed the intense navy nuclear program training is not counted as “college educated” while the graduate of the local cow college with an MA working as a sex educator in the local middle school is counted as “post graduate” in the type of polling that is done.


55 posted on 10/06/2008 6:41:59 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: MSF BU

So why would Boucher have bothered to get married? He certainly didn’t need to for political cover. Nobody’s come close to beating him in ages.


56 posted on 10/06/2008 6:44:50 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: KoRn

I’ve been trying to tell folks the day the democrats lost the election was the day Fauxbama was the obvious nominee... This man cannot and will not win the blue collar/blue dog vote, particularly across the rust belt. And without its next to impossible for anyone to win the white house, and for a democrat its absolutely impossible for a democrat to win the white house.

No Democrat has ever won the white house without WV or MO, and generally they get both when they win. Fauxbama will get NEITHER. The only democrat to win a 2 way race in my lifetime by more than 50% of the vote was Jimmy Carter, and he blew a 30 point lead in the polls to win by getting 50.1% of the vote, and at the end of the day won because of a gaffe by Ford in the debate, had Ford not made that gaffe, he would have won.

Other than the usual suspects, academia, limosine libs, blacks and kids, I haven’t seen ANY major support for this guy to speak of across any of the rust belt/coal band of the mid-atlantic/midwest. I won’t say that McCain’s excited folks in a big way, but support for Fauxbama outside the democratic core is non existent here. In fact most folks outside the republican core or the democratic core that I have interacted with are pretty vehemently against him, and the reasons are very varied. Some are so over abortion, others over inexperience, others over liberal policies, etc etc etc.

I don’t know what pollster was on the sunday talk show last week I caught part of saying that McCain wasn’t connecting with rural voters, or at least not at the numbers the republicans have in the past, and this meant Fauxbama was going to win, but I really don’t know where he’s been getting his info.

Enthusiasm for McCain probably isn’t as high as it was for other republicans in the past, but given the quiet, but well entrenched opposition to Fauxbama I’ve seen, I don’t think these folks are just going to stay home on election day. They will get out, and vote and pull the McCain lever for McCain.

Fauxbama supporters are generally overly vocal about their support, but they are the overwhelming minority once you get out of the traditional base populations.

In less than a month we’ll know where things are, but I truthfully saw no calculus that lead to a Fauxbama victory during the primaries, and I still see none now. I see a bunch of manufactured drama that this election is close, but what I see day to day in a traditionally blue area of what has been a fairly dependable blue state for a while doesn’t lead me to remotely believe that Fauxbama is winning this thing.


57 posted on 10/06/2008 6:45:05 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: MSF BU

Most college graduates are not smart, at least in the way I define smart. Most of them carry meaningless liberal arts degrees that require little effort and just an average IQ to get. There are a lot of smart people who are not college graduate and they are vastly more successful than people with college degrees.


58 posted on 10/06/2008 6:48:00 AM PDT by jveritas (Use the nuclear option against Obama: Jeremiah Wright)
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To: gracesdad

Nobody had ever raised the issue. It’s the “Terry Dolan” factor...nobody brought it up.


59 posted on 10/06/2008 6:53:49 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: HamiltonJay

Looking at your location, I hope you are right about Western PA and Eastern OH...I’m just afraid that you WILL be right but also the voter fraud in Philadelphia and Cleveland will blow the doors off of any groundswell of conservatism in the suburbs and exurbs.


60 posted on 10/06/2008 6:57:16 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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