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Chuck Todd: A Kerry Landslide? Why the next election won't be close.
Washington Monthly ^ | May 2004 | Chuck Todd

Posted on 10/05/2008 1:17:38 PM PDT by Chet 99

A Kerry Landslide? Why the next election won't be close.

By Chuck Todd

Over the last year, most political TV shows handicapping the upcoming presidential election have repeated the refrain that the race will be extremely tight. Last month, CNN's astute commentator Jeff Greenfield hosted an entire segment on how easily this election could turn out like 2000, with President Bush and Sen. John Kerry splitting victories in the popular vote and the electoral college. Greenfield even threw out the possibility of an electoral college split of 269-269, brought about by a shift of just two swing states that went for Bush last time, New Hampshire, and West Virginia. He ended his feature with the conventional wisdom among Washington pundits: "We're assuming this election will stay incredibly close." Reporters covering the campaign echo this expectation, sprinkling their campaign dispatches with references to the "closely fought" electoral race and "tight election."

The campaign staffs themselves have been saying for months that they anticipate that the race will go down to the wire. In late April, Republican party chairman Ed Gillespie told The New York Times that he expected a "very, very close" race. This winter, Democratic party chairman Terry McAuliffe urged Ralph Nader not to enter the race, fearing that the perpetual candidate could take precious votes away from Kerry in a race sure to be won by a hairline margin.

There are perfectly understandable reasons why we expect 2004 to be close. Everyone remembers the nail-biting 2000 recount. A vast number of books and magazine articles describe the degree to which we are a 50/50 nation and detail the precarious balance between red and blue states. And poll after poll show the two candidates oscillating within a few percentage points of one another. There are also institutional factors that drive the presumption that the race will be tight. The press wants to cover a competitive horse-race. And the last thing either campaign wants to do is give its supporters any reason to be complacent and stay home on election day.

But there's another possibility, one only now being floated by a few political operatives: 2004 could be a decisive victory for Kerry. The reason to think so is historical. Elections that feature a sitting president tend to be referendums on the incumbent--and in recent elections, the incumbent has either won or lost by large electoral margins. If you look at key indicators beyond the neck-and-neck support for the two candidates in the polls--such as high turnout in the early Democratic primaries and the likelihood of a high turnout in November--it seems improbable that Bush will win big. More likely, it's going to be Kerry in a rout.

Bush: the new Carter

In the last 25 years, there have been four elections which pitted an incumbent against a challenger--1980, 1984, 1992, and 1996. In all four, the victor won by a substantial margin in the electoral college. The circumstances of one election hold particular relevance for today: 1980. That year, the country was weathering both tough economic times (the era of "stagflation"--high inflation concurrent with a recession) and frightening foreign policy crises (the Iranian hostage crisis and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan). Indeed, this year Bush is looking unexpectedly like Carter. Though the two presidents differ substantially in personal style (one indecisive and immersed in details, the other resolute but disengaged), they are also curiously similar. Both are religious former Southern governors. Both initially won the presidency by tarring their opponents (Gerald Ford, Al Gore) with the shortcomings of their predecessors (Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton). Like Carter, Bush is vulnerable to being attacked as someone not up to the job of managing impending global crises.

Everyone expected the 1980 election to be very close. In fact, Reagan won with 50.8 percent of the popular vote to Carter's 41 percent (independent John Anderson won 6.6 percent)--which translated into an electoral avalanche of 489 to 49. The race was decided not so much on the public's nascent impressions of the challenger, but on their dissatisfaction with the incumbent.

Nor was Carter's sound defeat an aberration. Quite the opposite. Of the last five incumbent presidents booted from office--Bush I, Carter, Ford, Herbert Hoover, and William Howard Taft--only one was able to garner over 200 electoral votes, and three of these defeated incumbents didn't even cross the 100 electoral-vote threshold: --1992: 370 (Bill Clinton) to 168 (George H. W. Bush) --1980: 489 (Ronald Reagan) to 49 (Jimmy Carter) --1976: 297 (Jimmy Carter) to 240 (Gerald Ford) --1932: 472 (FDR) to 59 (Herbert Hoover) --1912: 435 (Woodrow Wilson) to 88 (TR) to 8 (Taft)

Poll sitting

Historically, when incumbents lose big, they do so for sound reasons: The public sees their policies as not working--or worse yet, as failures. That's certainly increasingly true of Bush today. From the chaos in Iraq to an uncomfortably soft economic recovery to the passage of an unpopular Medicare bill, the White House is having a harder and harder time putting a positive spin on the effects of the president's decisions.

And while Bush still retains a loyal base, he has provoked--both by his policies and his partisanship--an extremely strong reaction among Democrats. One indication is that turnout in this year's early Democratic primaries was way up. Nearly twice as many Democrats turned out for the 2004 Iowa caucuses as they had for those held in 2000. The turnout in New Hampshire for the Democratic primary was also extraordinarily high, up 29 percent from the previous turnout record set in 1992--the year Bush's father lost his reelection bid.

The Democrats' recent enthusiasm at the polls may in part be because this year's primary featured nine candidates, and Howard Dean's unusual campaign mobilized many new voters--both for and against him. However, the excitement in the Democratic race can't explain primary voter behavior on the other side of the aisle. Republican turnout in the New Hampshire primary was lower than in 2000, but that isn't surprising considering that Bush's nomination was never in question this year. A fairer way to gauge the eagerness of the president's base to rally behind him is to compare this GOP primary to the last one that featured an incumbent running for reelection with no real primary opposition: Bill Clinton in 1996. That year in New Hampshire, 76,874 Democrats cast ballots for Clinton. This year, 53,749 Republicans cast ballots for Bush. This is especially astonishing, considering that, in New Hampshire, there are more registered Republicans than Democrats.

The most obvious evidence cutting against the historical trend of elections featuring incumbents being won or lost by large margins is that opinion polls have consistently shown Bush and Kerry running neck and neck. But look carefully, and you'll find a couple of nuances in the most recent poll data that point to the potential for a big Kerry win. First, in polls that implicitly assume a higher turnout, Kerry performs better than he does in other polls. Most of the polls you hear about--and the ones that prognosticators trust the most--are surveys of "likely voters." Among the criteria pollsters typically use to identify likely voters is whether the subjects participated in the last election. These polls have proven more accurate in recent elections, like 2000, when voter turnout was relatively low--of the last nine presidential elections, only two showed lower turnout than 2000. But there are strong reasons to think that voters will turn out in larger numbers this year--especially among Democrats.

Four years ago, when the economy was strong, the country wasn't at war, and both presidential candidates ran as moderates, just 43 percent of adults told an early April Gallup poll that they had been thinking about the election "quite a lot." This April, when the issues seem much bigger and the differences between the candidates much starker, Gallup found that 61 percent of adults said they had been giving "quite a lot" of thought to the election.

So, presuming higher turnout, an arguably better predictor of election results would be polls of registered voters--both those who voted and those who stayed home in 2000. In an early April Gallup poll, Kerry trailed Bush 46 percent to 48 percent among likely voters, but led 48 percent to 46 percent among registered voters. Kerry's support had dropped incrementally in a late April Gallup poll, but he continued to garner higher support among registered voters than likely voters.

The second nuance to look at is what political consultant Chris Kofinis calls "the Bush bubble": the gap between the president's overall approval ratings and his approval ratings on specific policy areas. According to the most recent Washington Post/ABC News poll, Bush's approval rating now stands at 51 percent. That isn't bad, though it is noticeably below what the last two incumbents who won reelection had at this point in the election cycle: Reagan's approval was 54 percent and Clinton's was 56 percent. But even Bush's 51 percent may be softer than it looks. In the same poll, on seven of nine major policy issues--the economy, Iraq, Social Security, health insurance, taxes, jobs, the deficit--less than half of respondents said that they approved of the president's performance. In several cases, his approval was well below 50 percent. Only 45 percent approved of Bush's handling of Iraq; 44 percent of his performance on the economy; 34 percent of his performance on the deficit; and 33 percent of his stewardship of Social Security. Even on policy areas in which the president's approval is now relatively high--education and the war on terror--he is vulnerable to later substantive attacks by Kerry. For instance, he currently garners 51 percent approval on education, due largely to his role in passing a bold education measure; increasingly, however, educators and the public are alarmed about the effects of No Child Left Behind.

Kerry's challenge

Of course, the tight polling data does reflect a fundamental reality: For all the fallout from his policies, Bush still appeals to many Americans because of his seeming decisiveness, straight talk, and regular-guy charm--not qualities that John Kerry prominently displays. The historical pattern may strongly suggest that if Kerry wins, it will be by large margins--but that is hardly fated. It will only happen if Kerry successfully highlights Bush's failings while showing himself to be an appealing alternative. Otherwise, the senator could see himself losing an electoral rout, not winning in one. In fact, the second most likely outcome of this election is a Bush landslide. With just one exception, every president to win a second consecutive term has done so with a larger electoral margin than his initial victory. The least likely result this November is another close election.

Right now, the president is vulnerable. As The New Republic's Ryan Lizza argued in a recent New York Times editorial, undecided voters "know [the incumbent] well, and if they were going to vote for him, they would have already decided. Thus support for Mr. Bush should be seen more as a ceiling, while support for Mr. Kerry, the lesser-known challenger, is more like a floor."

That points to both an opportunity and a challenge for the Kerry campaign. Kerry needs to convince voters that he's up to the job--and that Bush isn't. If he can woo voters dissatisfied with Bush's policies, there's a potential--and historical precedent--for Kerry to win big.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2004polls; 2008polls; gwb2004; kerry
From the same Chuck Todd who just announced that it is all over for McCain and Obama is a lock.
1 posted on 10/05/2008 1:17:39 PM PDT by Chet 99
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To: Chet 99
From the same Chuck Todd who just announced that it is all over for McCain and Obama is a lock.

LOL! These people think we forget.  Thanks for posting!

2 posted on 10/05/2008 1:20:04 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: Chet 99
Great find my friend. The Chuck Todds of the world are very similiar to the guys that try to pick a bottom in the market, both will end up with egg on their face in the end.
3 posted on 10/05/2008 1:23:21 PM PDT by lt.america (Palin was McCain's Midway while Saddleback was his Coral Sea)
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To: Chet 99

And Chuck Todd NEVER gets it wrong!

You should email this to him. I think ol’ Highpockets could use the reminder.


4 posted on 10/05/2008 1:24:26 PM PDT by TXBlair (On a scale of one to ten, The One is a Zero.)
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To: Chet 99
The day after the election:

McCain/Palin win in landslide - America a racist country

Republicans pick up 10 senate seats, 54 house seats, again proving racism

5 posted on 10/05/2008 1:24:39 PM PDT by svcw (Great selection of gift baskets: http://baskettastic.com/)
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To: Chet 99

Thank you for posting.Very illuminating. I appreciate all of your threads also.


6 posted on 10/05/2008 1:25:54 PM PDT by northernlightsII
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To: 1035rep

A monkey slinging its poo at an electoral map would be a better predictor than must of these media pundits.


7 posted on 10/05/2008 1:26:04 PM PDT by Chet 99 (Vote McCain/Palin, or this will be our future: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTb5EFZmgbs)
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To: Chet 99

THANK YOU!!

I hope Rush gets this and reads it on his show.


8 posted on 10/05/2008 1:26:09 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Chet 99
could turn out like 2000, with President Bush and Sen. John Kerry splitting victories..

Chuck Todd either needs to hire a proofreader or take some remedial history.

9 posted on 10/05/2008 1:27:00 PM PDT by tbpiper (Obama/Biden: Instead of Ebony and Ivory, we have Arrogance and Insolence.)
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To: Chet 99

Call me crazy, but didn’t W run against Al Gore in 2000 and not John Kerry?


10 posted on 10/05/2008 1:27:55 PM PDT by freeplancer
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To: Chet 99
Yes, but that was in May, 2004. I doubt he would have written such an article a month before the election. Still, I hope is as accurate now as was when he wrote that piece.
11 posted on 10/05/2008 1:29:10 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte
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To: Chet 99
'If you look at key indicators beyond the neck-and-neck support for the two candidates in the polls--

such as high turnout in the early Democratic primaries and the likelihood of a high turnout in November--it seems improbable that Bush will win big. More likely, it's going to be Kerry in a rout.'

lmao..poor Chuck Todd. And he's still trying to push propaganda

12 posted on 10/05/2008 1:30:04 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: freeplancer

Ok...yes Crazy, Bush vs Gore in 2000, and Bush vs Kerry in 2004. There is nothing in this article that states otherwise, even though it’s wrong as hell on everything else.


13 posted on 10/05/2008 1:32:24 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Chet 99
Political predictions in May are far less likely to be true than those less than a month away from Election Day.

The Va. GOP fears McCain could lose the state

Virginia being a battleground state for a Republican running for the WH is a serious problem.

14 posted on 10/05/2008 1:36:36 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Sans-Culotte

Eh..I’m sure he probably would’ve written the same thing in October of 2004, because the race was still neck and neck at that time. The media is always telling us about how there is going to be a HUGE Democrat turnout, and always talk about the new registered Dem voters.
This is the same tired old reasoning every four years...thank goodness it never materializes.


15 posted on 10/05/2008 1:36:39 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: GraniteStateConservative

Eh..I’m sure he probably would’ve written the same thing in October of 2004, because the race was still neck and neck at that time. The media is always telling us about how there is going to be a HUGE Democrat turnout, and always talk about the new registered Dem voters.
This is the same tired old reasoning every four years...thank goodness it never materializes.


16 posted on 10/05/2008 1:37:17 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: svcw
McCain/Palin win in landslide - America a racist country.

Republicans pick up 10 senate seats, 54 house seats, again proving racism.

Leftist, progressives, Marxists and illegals fleeing the country in droves for fear of persecution.

Cuba opens borders for sanctuary to those bearing the $100,000 immigration fee.

17 posted on 10/05/2008 1:37:55 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (The beauty of conservatism, Sarah Palin.)
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To: Chet 99

“A monkey slinging its poo at an electoral map would be a better predictor than must of these media pundits.”

It’s pathetic how little it takes to amuse me. Good one!


18 posted on 10/05/2008 1:38:51 PM PDT by TXBlair (On a scale of one to ten, The One is a Zero.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

So you subscribe to the Dick Morris school of predictions: keep making new ones until you happen to get one right?

VA was supposed to have been a battleground in 2004 as well... Kerry ended up abandoning the state in October. Same could be said of New Jersey in 2000. Bush/Rove wasted countless resources trying to win that state based on numerous polls showing it to be a dead heat.


19 posted on 10/05/2008 1:48:59 PM PDT by Chet 99 (Vote McCain/Palin, or this will be our future: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTb5EFZmgbs)
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To: snarkytart

Well, the main point of his piece is that presidential re-election campaigns are almost always decisive and not ties, like 2000. So, the options in his opinion were decisive Bush win or decisive Kerry win, and he looked at how things were in May, before the conventions and the debates, and viewed a Kerry decisive win as more likely.


20 posted on 10/05/2008 1:52:00 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Chet 99
So you subscribe to the Dick Morris school of predictions: keep making new ones until you happen to get one right?

No, but you are comparing Todd's 1-month-out predictions to the ones he makes way back in May. They are apples and oranges. You need to show that his 1-month-out predictions have been garbage.

VA was supposed to have been a battleground in 2004 as well... Kerry ended up abandoning the state in October.

Yes, but Virginia GOPers are willing to go on record talking about how tight the race is there. That's not the same as in 2004.

21 posted on 10/05/2008 1:55:03 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Chet 99

The press and MSM always call it too, close, gotta keep selling newspapers etc. Why pick a winner?


22 posted on 10/05/2008 1:55:51 PM PDT by Waco ( G00d bye 0'bomber)
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To: Chet 99

Chuck Todd whose WIFE is a Democrat Spinster !


23 posted on 10/05/2008 1:56:36 PM PDT by ncalburt
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To: Chet 99

Yes, but at this point Kerry was not leading by 8 (7?) points, and Bush hadn’t just whored himself to the Democrats in congress by supporting the most unpopular bill of our time. (no, not Clinton)


24 posted on 10/05/2008 2:00:02 PM PDT by ClaudiusI
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To: Chet 99
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I absolutely despise Jeff Greenfield who could always find a silver lining in every report for the Demos. Everything always looks like the Democrats have great chances to him.

I don't remember Chuck Todd, but then again I try not to watch CNN.

This is the kind of stuff they do with polls. It is conservative voter supression, plain and simple. With Palin throwing some serious punches, they have got to turn up the pressure with more slanted polls and more slanted interpretation of polls and bold predictions that Obama is unstoppable.

25 posted on 10/05/2008 2:00:56 PM PDT by 1-Eagle (Demron, Fanniegate, Never Again!)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Your peddling a HIT PIECE FROM Lefty Wing JOHNNY Martin at rhe DNC front group called POLITICO , a hard core Leftist Obama website ???
Really who believed the Garbage from the POLITICO!
Little Johnny is a Obama cheerleader who was caught celebrating at the Obama cult festival In Denver !

This same Dem/Wash Compost hacks website reported a hot tip that Rove was going to be indicted so the WH was forcing him .
Rove left 18 mos later to become TV pundit.
The Politico reported Alberto Gonzales was going to resign immediately but Alberto left one year later !

26 posted on 10/05/2008 2:03:24 PM PDT by ncalburt
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To: 1-Eagle

Jeff Greenfield seemed reasonably fair back in the 1980s, as did some others in the media. That seems like ancient history now.

Todd’s May 2004 prediction does not really apply that closely to the situation today. But it does show that opinions change, pundits get things wrong, and that elections can be volatile.


27 posted on 10/05/2008 2:03:45 PM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: tbpiper
Chuck Todd either needs to hire a proofreader or take some remedial history.

Yeah I stopped reading at that point. That kind of massive error was too distracting.

28 posted on 10/05/2008 2:04:22 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: Chet 99
...brought about by a shift of just two swing states that went for Bush last time, New Hampshire, and West Virginia.

Hate to break it to ya, Chuckie, but New Hampshire went for Kerry last time.

29 posted on 10/05/2008 2:08:16 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (Tom Manion USMC '08!!)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

No: When someone says a race is “over”, regardless of when - they are either right or they are wrong. If they can’t get it right, then their credibility takes a deserved hit.

When Michael Barone says it is “over”, then I become very nervous. He’s not one to just pull predictions out of his ass, based on the latest conventional wisdom.

I don’t know what VA GOPers were saying in 2004, but that is a pretty broad statement to make: that no VA Republicans were concerned by all the close polling in 2004 (which was not close at all in election day).


30 posted on 10/05/2008 2:08:34 PM PDT by Chet 99 (Vote McCain/Palin, or this will be our future: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTb5EFZmgbs)
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To: TNCMAXQ
Jeff Greenfield seemed reasonably fair back in the 1980s, as did some others in the media. That seems like ancient history now.

It is obvious to me that you haven't been paying attention for very long to make a statement like that.

In 1996 most of the polls had Dole losing by double digits. CBS had him losing by 28% right about this time in 1996. How can you generate any popular support, or raise funds if people think a "margin of error" insures accuracy, and that means Dole is going to get his clock cleaned?

In the end I think he lost by 8%, and that was with Ross Perot eating up a big chunk of the fiscal conservative vote. Jeff Greenfield is a partisan democrat idiot, second on that list only to Bill Schneider.

31 posted on 10/05/2008 2:11:12 PM PDT by 1-Eagle (Yeah that Ayers guy just lived down the street so we decided to launch my campaign from there.)
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To: tbpiper

There’s no error there. He’s saying it could turn out “like 2000.”


32 posted on 10/05/2008 2:11:58 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: MrsEmmaPeel
CNN's astute commentator Jeff Greenfield hosted an entire segment on how easily this election could turn out like 2000, with President Bush and Sen. John Kerry splitting victories

There is no error there. "This election" refers to 2004.

33 posted on 10/05/2008 2:13:26 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat

I thought Gore ran in 2000, not Kerry.


34 posted on 10/05/2008 2:13:38 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (Tom Manion USMC '08!!)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Oh, you’re right. The article is from 2004. Sorry.


35 posted on 10/05/2008 2:16:25 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (Tom Manion USMC '08!!)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Oh, ok. Got lost in the time warp.


36 posted on 10/05/2008 2:16:37 PM PDT by tbpiper (Obama/Biden: Instead of Ebony and Ivory, we have Arrogance and Insolence.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Warning here.

JOhnny Martin formerly of the Wash Compost is a DNC operative who will LIE and Cheat for the Obama.
The GOP in DC have already complained to the owner of the the POLITICO about his , Allen, and Jimmie Van Deilh
promoting of Obama faxes as News at the Obama website.

Old Johnny peddling dozens of non stop Sen Allen attack “Macca” pieces in the Wash Compost for the Webb campaign

He is a complete fraud and a disgrace !

37 posted on 10/05/2008 2:20:40 PM PDT by ncalburt
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To: TXBlair

NO...let him forget how stupid he was then. Let him keep spouting his garbage.


38 posted on 10/05/2008 2:20:58 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Chet 99

Thank you! Great find. Will forward to morning joe blow this week.


39 posted on 10/05/2008 2:23:39 PM PDT by Doug TX
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To: snarkytart

Yes, I am crazy like a mule.


40 posted on 10/05/2008 2:42:52 PM PDT by freeplancer
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To: Chet 99

Well using the 2004 dem primary in comparison to this years as a way to predict the election has several shortfalls.

One, the gop brand has a lower approval rating than it did in 04. Two, as far as 04 was concerned, it was Dean who brought a lot of new voters to the fold before he ruined his chances. Kerry was in the party insider. A rough but fairly accurate (for the sake of Todd’s argument) is that Obama is this years dean, and Hillary was the Kerry candidate.

To be fair, Todd never said Kerry was going to win in a landslide. He was using accurate historical markers to say that the possibility existed (it certainly did). We all know that Bush ended up sealing the deal in a slightly more comfortable win than 2000.

This analysis holds little bearing to the 2008 election though.


41 posted on 10/05/2008 2:49:40 PM PDT by buckeye12
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