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GOP Catholic backs Obama (Gag me with a fork!)
Chicago Tribune ^ | October 8, 2008 | Mary Schmich

Posted on 10/14/2008 12:12:55 PM PDT by IbJensen

Doug Kmiec went to mass, as usual, at Our Lady of Malibu on Tuesday morning. Then he drove up the hill to his office to talk to me by phone about how a Republican Catholic opposed to abortion could endorse Barack Obama. You may recognize Kmiec's name. He teaches at Pepperdine University in California now, but he's a Chicago guy.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gopcino; kmiec; nobama; obamanation
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To: ArrogantBustard

I believe that you are right, although Romney was not a dove, after all. One more weird incident in this weird election. Thank the Lord that the 2012 election campaign will start in 3 weeks and one day.


41 posted on 10/14/2008 1:29:04 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (White Trash for Sarah!)
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To: TRY ONE
But to many Catholics, redistribution of wealth trumps all other moral, religious, Church stuff!

According to the Pope and the Bishops they are mistaken, and are endangering their immortal souls.

42 posted on 10/14/2008 1:32:15 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (White Trash for Sarah!)
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To: stanz
California 'Catholic' Churches are not Roman Catholic Churches. It has been my misfortune to be caught in California on Sundays and having to attend what passes for masses (how's that?) and being confronted with a pew female neighbor planting a 'kiss of peace' on my foolish face!

No votive candles, no statues or pictures of our Lord, the Blessed Virgin, or any saints. Try to find a confessional.

Of course I've never been a big fan of the Novus Ordo, but what is one to do?

At least anti-baby killing is preached upon by the priest, but many fail to listen.

There is a guide available for practical, practicing Catholics available in respect to voting with our consciences.

Our Lady of Malibu is appropriately sacrilegous in the case of Kmiec.

43 posted on 10/14/2008 1:35:24 PM PDT by IbJensen (Ali Bama isn't going to make it! (Communist Gangbanger!))
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To: proudpapa

B. Hussein Obama can count on the Massachusetts ‘Catholics’ to cast their votes for him, but with ACORN who needs them?


44 posted on 10/14/2008 1:36:24 PM PDT by IbJensen (Ali Bama isn't going to make it! (Communist Gangbanger!))
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To: ArrogantBustard

He’ll go to confession AFTER he pulls the lever for Hussein Obama.


45 posted on 10/14/2008 1:37:29 PM PDT by IbJensen (Ali Bama isn't going to make it! (Communist Gangbanger!))
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To: RexBeach
What's really ironic is that I received this article as a clipping in an envelope from a Catholic friend who plans on voting for Obama.

(I had to give up, but if this obamanation is elected I will remind him in a year or so when many of our Christian brothers are in shackles being led off to the slave market in downtown Toledo.)

46 posted on 10/14/2008 1:41:14 PM PDT by IbJensen (Ali Bama isn't going to make it! (Communist Gangbanger!))
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To: IbJensen
Contrition? Firm purpose of amendment?

A bogus confession is just another mortal sin of sacrilege.

47 posted on 10/14/2008 1:45:22 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
This seems to be where some supposed Catholics, including some of the Traditionalist variety, have gone off the rails. They've gotten the notion that the Iraq front in the war on islamic terrorism is somehow unjust (in the Just War sense of the word), and gone from there to opposing Pres. Bush with a Code Pink level of ferocity.

Yes, there is a type of Catholic--some of them very traditional in their outlook--for whom the Iraq War is everything. They have, for whatever reason, made the War the only issue that counts. At bottom they are one-issue voters in the true sense. They are very confused and somewhat irrational in their justification for this stance. Kmiec's rationales for supporting Obama are seriously laughable.

Sadly, people like Kmiec remind me of certain religous folks who lived behind the Iron Curtain during the Cold War. These folks tied themselves in knots to prove that communism was compatible with the Gospel. They look as foolish now as Kmiec will look in years to come.

48 posted on 10/14/2008 1:48:19 PM PDT by ishmac (Houston near UST)
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To: ArrogantBustard

But don’t you have to be sorry for you sin to actually be forgiven?


49 posted on 10/14/2008 1:51:51 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: tiki
It is not true that for the Catholic the mere "telling of one's sins" suffices to obtain their forgiveness. Without sincere sorrow and purpose of amendment, confession avails nothing, the pronouncement of absolution is of no effect, and the guilt of the sinner is greater than before.
50 posted on 10/14/2008 1:57:37 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: IbJensen

Teaches in CA and is a “Chicago guy” that sums it up. We have seen a lot of party before country. This guy seems to be party before God. Fortunately for him his Catholic mother obviously didn’t believe in abortion.


51 posted on 10/14/2008 1:59:30 PM PDT by nclaurel (No white flags from America in Iraq--hear that Biden!)
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To: Terry Mross

You forgot Pelosi in that group. Doug can now join them and forge their own kind of Catholism ....which it looks as though they have at that Our Lady of Malibu church.
I knew many people like them growing up. Faithful on Sunday, receiving Communion, then forgetting their faith the other six days of the week.


52 posted on 10/14/2008 2:08:35 PM PDT by donnab (Will the real Obama please stand up?)
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To: ajwharton

Thanks to your link. It needs to be spelled out.

The Obama campaign routinely identifies Kmiec as “[f]ormer Reagan legal counsel” and “head of the Office of Legal Counsel for Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush”. Those descriptions are accurate but, insofar as they are meant to suggest that Kmiec was a close adviser to Reagan and Bush, misleading. Kmiec headed DOJ’s Office of Legal Counsel for a grand total of a few months at the end of the Reagan administration (after Chuck Cooper and most of his deputies had left the office) and the beginning of the Bush 41 administration (before President Bush was able to replace him). Someone familiar with OLC at the time tells me that it’s unlikely that Kmiec ever met personally with Reagan to provide him legal advice (and that if any such meetings did occur, they would have been very few).

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDNiMDBmNjM2YTBjZDdkZWFmMWM2NzQ1NDM2ZmQyYTc=

Another Obama exaggeration...go figure.


53 posted on 10/14/2008 2:16:02 PM PDT by donnab (Will the real Obama please stand up?)
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To: IbJensen

I’ve been around for many a year. I recall the days when the mass was celebrated in Latin, meatless Fridays, the covering of female heads (and other body parts)in church, the use of rosary beads and many other rituals that have gone by the wayside. Since not participating anymore, I am nonetheless shocked by the new practices including that silly Kumbaya kiss of peace and the shaking of hands with your pew-mates.
The wrath of God used to be instilled in us in the confessional. Statues were revered just like the ones used in processionals during the neighborhood feasts. That’s all missing. The Catholic church has joined the ranks of all other politically correct institutions which are mediated by what’s trendy and culturally acceptable.
Our Lady Of Malibu sounds like a Saturday Night Live sketch. Unfortunately for the faithful, it’s real.


54 posted on 10/14/2008 2:46:04 PM PDT by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: Antoninus

Lieberman is a member of the Connecticut for Lieberman Party, not the Democratic Party.


55 posted on 10/14/2008 3:41:58 PM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: steve-b
Lieberman is a member of the Connecticut for Lieberman Party, not the Democratic Party.

LOL. Now he is. But for the previous 55+ years of his life, he was a Democrat and he ran for president as recently as 2004 as a Democrat.
56 posted on 10/14/2008 8:30:44 PM PDT by Antoninus (If you're bashing McCain/Palin at this point, you're helping Obama.)
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