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Lorne Gunter: Thirty years of warmer temperatures go poof
National Post ^ | October 20, 2008 | Lorne Gunter

Posted on 10/20/2008 9:54:52 AM PDT by managusta

In early September, I began noticing a string of news stories about scientists rejecting the orthodoxy on global warming. Actually, it was more like a string of guest columns and long letters to the editor since it is hard for skeptical scientists to get published in the cabal of climate journals now controlled by the Great Sanhedrin of the environmental movement.

"An analytical chemist who works in spectroscopy and atmospheric sensing, Michael J. Myers of Hilton Head, S. C., declared, "Man-made global warming is junk science," explaining that worldwide manmade CO2 emission each year "equals about 0.0168% of the atmosphere's CO2 concentration ... This results in a 0.00064% increase in the absorption of the sun's radiation. This is an insignificantly small number."

(Excerpt) Read more at network.nationalpost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: 2008; catastrophism; elnino; globalcooling; globalwarming; lanina; lornegunter
The money quote is the final sentence of the report.

"It may be that more global warming doubters are surfacing because there just isn't any global warming."

Therefore I could not beat the response by " osaycanuc"

"Can't you just hear the hot air whooshing out of this balloon? PHSSSSSSSSST! To wit, the lack of comments here, where one might normally expect to see a torrent - nay a geyser! - of piqued opinion as to the relative science around either side.

Checkmate, anti-capitalist, anti-consumerist, anti-carbon buffoons. Your bandwagon is running out gas!"

1 posted on 10/20/2008 9:54:53 AM PDT by managusta
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To: managusta
Globally, volcanoes put out far more CO2 annually than does industry and motor vehicles. I don't see anyone suggesting we outlaw volcanoes.
2 posted on 10/20/2008 10:03:33 AM PDT by scooter2 (A taxpayer voting for Barack Obama is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders.)
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To: managusta; xcamel

BTTT


3 posted on 10/20/2008 10:05:34 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (don't worry, they only want to take water out of the other guy's side of the bucket.)
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To: scooter2
Oh, just give the lefty moonbats a little more time. They'll get around to some sort of scheme to control volcanoes (think really big stack scrubbers). And really big fans imbedded into the mountains East of LA to blow the smog away, too, while they're at it. (Yes, I recall that episode of the Beverly Hillbillies, long ago).
4 posted on 10/20/2008 10:06:53 AM PDT by SAJ
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5 posted on 10/20/2008 10:10:22 AM PDT by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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To: scooter2

When volcanoes are outlawed, only outlaws will...
never mind.


6 posted on 10/20/2008 10:11:46 AM PDT by astyanax (If you need to wear a mask while speaking your mind, it is probably best you remain silent...)
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To: managusta
Facts don't matter. It is ideology driving a desire to seize control politically and economically. The lefty policy changes will do far more damage than any imagined "anthropogenic CO2".
7 posted on 10/20/2008 10:13:54 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: managusta
Your bandwagon is running out gas!

Obama's going to give us a free windmills for our band wagon, so there! Nya!

(/sarcasm off)

Find later self ping.

8 posted on 10/20/2008 10:16:36 AM PDT by listenhillary (Should we turn Alaska or Texas into our Galt's Gulch?)
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To: managusta; xcamel; GMMAC; Clive; exg; kanawa; backhoe; -YYZ-; Former Proud Canadian; Squawk 8888; ..
Thanks for the ping, Xcamel.


9 posted on 10/20/2008 10:18:40 AM PDT by fanfan (SCC:Canadians have constitutional protection to all opinions, as long as they are based on the facts)
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To: xcamel

Thanks for the ping!


10 posted on 10/20/2008 10:38:39 AM PDT by alwaysconservative (First, we lost our freedom of speech. . .)
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To: managusta

Does not matter, government will implement “green” solutions at any cost for the next few years then take the credit.


11 posted on 10/20/2008 10:39:35 AM PDT by edcoil
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To: managusta

I think with the downturn in the economy, frankly we just can’t afford to have a global warming catastrophe, so we won’t.


12 posted on 10/20/2008 10:54:53 AM PDT by B4Ranch (I'd rather have a VP that can gut a Moose, than a President that wants to gut our Second Amendment!)
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To: managusta
The evidence we have is that our planet goes through hotter and colder periods lasting for decades and centuries, e.g. the medieval climate optimum, little ice age and, further back, the late Holocene climate optimum or hypsothermal. The conceptual problem some have despite the evidence involves the received notion that stars are thermonuclear engines. IF that were the case, there would be no reason to expect solar activity to increase or decrease periodically and thus cause planetary weather changes.

Stars are not thermonuclear engines; They are plasma-physics phenomena. They're basically similar to lightning rods i.e. focal points of cosmic discharge. As they pass through regions of space with greater or lesser electrical potential from themselves, they heat up or cool off.

13 posted on 10/20/2008 11:05:39 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: B4Ranch

Oddly enough, that’s exactly what the Europeans are now saying.

Funny how that works, eh?


14 posted on 10/20/2008 11:09:36 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: varmintman
Stars: As they pass through regions of space with greater or lesser electrical potential from themselves, they heat up or cool off.

First time I've heard of this.

Got any links which discuss this phenomenon?

15 posted on 10/20/2008 11:14:30 AM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Myrddin; All

While interesting, I seem to remember reading the satellite data can be deceiving and not give an accurate picture compared to actual ground readings.

Still, the point that there is no doubt a cyclic nature to cold and warm periods is true.

There most certainly is a cycle, and we are due for a cold period. Whether all the warm period has been due to that cycle or even most of it, however, could be hard to tell.


16 posted on 10/20/2008 11:19:55 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: managusta
Gore could be freezing to death and he'd still be yelling about “global warming”.

Could liberals as narrow minded and rigid as they seem?

17 posted on 10/20/2008 11:25:16 AM PDT by GOPJ (Mail acorns to t;he MSM starting October 21. Reporters: ACORN addresses are in phone book.)
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To: rwfromkansas
Some of the satellite data is inaccurate due to failure to account for orbital decay.
18 posted on 10/20/2008 11:50:24 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Max in Utah
>Got any links which discuss this phenomenon?

www.thunderbolts.info

http://www.plasmacosmology.net/

http://www.holoscience.com

www.kronia.com

http://www.plasma-universe.com

www.cosmologystatement.org

Google searches on 'plasma cosmology' will produce more if that isn't enough.

19 posted on 10/20/2008 11:56:34 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: managusta

I notice a subtle shift of concern from Global Warming to Climate Change. This allows Al Gore to sound the alarm no matter what the weather does.


20 posted on 10/20/2008 11:57:16 AM PDT by NorCalGuy (Everybody complains about the weather but nobody does anything about it)
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To: GOPJ

We’re likely headed into a new little ice age: think of it as God’s plan to make demoKKKrats look stupid.


21 posted on 10/20/2008 11:57:29 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: managusta

Another way to look at it is that if WW-II did not bring about the great man-made eco-holocaust, it can’t happen.


22 posted on 10/20/2008 11:59:08 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: managusta

This is why they are in a panic to pass some sort of feel-good legislation on this. If they can claim credit for addressing the “problem” before it’s evidence there isn’t one, they can be the big heroes.


23 posted on 10/20/2008 12:01:57 PM PDT by Scutter
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To: scooter2
Globally, volcanoes put out far more CO2 annually than does industry and motor vehicles. I don't see anyone suggesting we outlaw volcanoes.

I am. For great justice.
24 posted on 10/20/2008 12:21:37 PM PDT by According2RecentPollsAirIsGood
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To: Rurudyne; steelyourfaith

more in a locked thread:

Lorne Gunter: Thirty years of warmer temperatures go poof (Global Cooling???)
National Post | 10/20/2008 | Lorne Gunter
Posted on 10/20/2008 10:30:46 AM PDT by TheRiverNile
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2110340/posts


25 posted on 10/20/2008 12:21:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, October 11, 2008 !!!)
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Catastrophism
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26 posted on 10/20/2008 12:22:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, October 11, 2008 !!!)
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To: varmintman

Are you serious?


27 posted on 10/20/2008 12:26:22 PM PDT by E=MC2
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To: SunkenCiv

I just love it when I can say, “SEE??? I told ya so! nyah-nyah-nyah!”


28 posted on 10/20/2008 12:42:53 PM PDT by Monkey Face (I used to have an open mind but my brains kept falling out.)
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To: Monkey Face

:’)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2110331/posts?page=42#42


29 posted on 10/20/2008 12:46:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, October 11, 2008 !!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

That was um...rather pithy.

I had a visual of a pyramid on legs, e-vil-looking red eyes, coming after me...yah...that would bring fear into the hearts of mortal men, alright...

;oþ


30 posted on 10/20/2008 12:50:42 PM PDT by Monkey Face (I used to have an open mind but my brains kept falling out.)
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To: managusta

One of the major arguments of the doomists was that there were no reputable scientists who opposed their wacko theory. Now they seem to be arising from all around the world scoffing at the notion of man-made gw. The doomists have been fairly silent lately. Maybe they sense the scam is about over.


31 posted on 10/20/2008 12:55:26 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: managusta

Let’s start calling it the ‘AlGore Minimum’.


32 posted on 10/20/2008 1:03:03 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: managusta

bmflr


33 posted on 10/20/2008 1:39:17 PM PDT by Kevmo (I love that sound and please let that baby keep on crying. ~Sarah Palin)
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To: E=MC2

If you like hot summers you better fix the summer of 07 in your mind really good; we’re probably not going to live long enough to see another one.


34 posted on 10/20/2008 1:49:13 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: SunkenCiv; WL-law; Genesis defender; proud_yank; FrPR; enough_idiocy; rdl6989; IrishCatholic; ...
Thanx !

 




Beam me to Planet Gore !
Same topic, locked thread.
35 posted on 10/20/2008 1:53:34 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: According2RecentPollsAirIsGood

? You know what you doing ?


36 posted on 10/20/2008 3:01:59 PM PDT by 7MMmag (global warming seems more and more like a set up that bombed)
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To: managusta

Well here on the Texas gulf coast our climtate is exactly the same as it was when we moved here 35 years ago. The occasional hurricane and rare snowfall, same ole same ole.


37 posted on 10/20/2008 3:43:27 PM PDT by buffyt (Who is John Galt and I really think Atlas WILL SHRUG very soon.)
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To: varmintman
“From the smallest particle to the largest galactic formation, a web of electrical circuitry connects and unifies all of nature, organizing galaxies, energizing stars, giving birth to planets and, on our own world, controlling weather and animating biological organisms. There are no isolated islands in an electric universe".

Nice to meet you!

38 posted on 10/20/2008 3:44:31 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM)
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To: steelyourfaith

Where is Al Gore when reports come out about early, extra cold winter weather hitting everywhere? He only comes out in JULY when it is SUPPOSED to be HOT!


39 posted on 10/20/2008 3:44:38 PM PDT by buffyt (Who is John Galt and I really think Atlas WILL SHRUG very soon.)
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To: Max in Utah

“...The Electric Universe theory interprets the Sun as an electrode in a plasma discharge. From this point of view, the x-ray emitting atmosphere is not an anomaly. X-rays are a common signature of electrical activity. As early as the 1960’s, Charles Bruce demonstrated how electric discharge phenomena explains five major and thirteen minor anomalies of solar surface behavior. Imagine the Sun not as a nuclear bomb in the sky but as an electric arc-lamp plugged into a galactic power grid...”

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050309solar.htm

Subject Index:

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/00subjectx.htm


40 posted on 10/20/2008 3:50:27 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM)
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To: buffyt
LOL. But there have been occasions of delicious irony. Here be a few:

February 13, 2007 --- HEARING ON 'WARMING OF THE PLANET' CANCELED AFTER ICE STORM (Drudge Report )

March 1, 2007 --- Minnesota Public Radio's "Global Warming: The Home Front" scheduled for March 1 was cancelled due to insufficient global warming ("based on current travel advisories ").

March 7, 2007 --- A Congressional subcommittee meeting on Energy and Air Quality Hearing on "Climate Change: Are Greenhouse Gas Emissions from Human Activities Contributing to a Warming of the Planet?" was cancelled due to a snow advisory. "A SNOW ADVISORY MEANS THAT PERIODS OF SNOW WILL CAUSE PRIMARILY TRAVEL DIFFICULTIES. BE PREPARED FOR SNOW COVERED ROADS AND LIMITED VISIBILITIES...AND USE CAUTION WHILE DRIVING."

Recall that greenhouse hypothesis maintains that warming due to increases in the greenhouse effect is anticipated to be greatest in the winter.

An old post re-posted. I hope the links haven't expired.

41 posted on 10/20/2008 4:11:55 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: varmintman

Hey, Varmint, you sound like you should join my Electric Universe Ping list on FR... interested?

Swordmaker


42 posted on 10/20/2008 5:24:10 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Max in Utah
Got any links which discuss this phenomenon?

If you are interested, I maintain the Electric Universe Ping list on FreeRepublic that calls members to articles discussing evidence for the electrical nature of the Universe.

43 posted on 10/20/2008 5:27:00 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Makes a lot more sense than trying to believe that two dust motes are going to attract eachother via gravity from three to five miles away...


44 posted on 10/20/2008 6:01:34 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: Swordmaker

I’d be interested.


45 posted on 10/20/2008 6:03:29 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: scooter2

No they don't. Why don't you do some homework. There is no support for your claim on any sort of an Internet search. If you try to use your volcano argument the AGW crowd will shoot you down and discredit you.

There's enough ammunition against the Global Warming nut cases that you don't have to use stuff that isn't true. Let them do that!

46 posted on 10/20/2008 6:19:27 PM PDT by StACase (Global Warming is CRAP!)
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To: listenhillary

I agree. The global warming greenies are laying low; they are playing close to the vest in the belief 0bama is winning. Once he is in the White House, they don’t have to sell their agenda. They know it will be forced on us.


47 posted on 10/20/2008 6:42:18 PM PDT by henkster (tagline under reconstruction)
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To: Swordmaker

Sign me up.


48 posted on 10/21/2008 7:42:26 AM PDT by varmintman
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