Skip to comments.Editorial: Don't throw away your vote by going with McCain or Obama
Posted on 10/23/2008 9:04:39 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
I have many Republican friends who are disgusted that I'm voting third party this election year. They believe stopping Barack Obama from becoming president outweighs all else. Meanwhile, I have many Democrat friends who are equally disgusted; for them, seeing John McCain defeated is more important than who wins. They are all wasting their votes.
Imagine a reckless teenager who constantly runs up his parents' credit cards, smashes the family car every Friday night, is failing in school, and has serious drinking and drug problems. Now imagine that no matter how reckless and dangerous that teenager became, his parents believed his behavior was worth tolerating simply because he was "their" kid. No reasonable person would consider this good parenting.
And yet this is exactly how otherwise reasonable people vote.
No matter how bad the Republican or Democrat nominee for president is, the party faithful support their own without fail. The message to politicians? They may lie, ignore their party's platform, and betray every supposed principle, but they will never be held accountable by most voters. Like the reckless teenager, there is simply no reason for them to stop their irresponsible behavior.
The greatest power the people have is their vote, and in supporting the lesser of two evils each election, voters ensure eternal evil.
(Excerpt) Read more at charlestoncitypaper.com ...
Conservatives had little good to say about John McCain before he became the GOP nominee, but now they are prepared to vote for a pro-amnesty, liberal Republican, who recently was not only complicit in passing the greatest wealth distribution package in American history, but who also counts liberals Ted Kennedy, Joe Lieberman, and Russ Feingold amongst his greatest political allies. Is it really worth rewarding such a Republican in order to stop Obama?
This year, I will be voting for Constitution Party candidate Chuck Baldwin. "Chuck who?" you ask. Exactly.
There is no perfect candidate, and in fact I only have two litmus tests that any candidate must pass in order to win my vote; he must be committed to a traditional foreign policy, with the first order of business being to bring our troops home from Iraq, and he must be serious about stopping illegal immigration. There are other issues that concern me, but these two promise to do the most damage to the United States, as war and open borders are inextricably linked to America's most pertinent economic, cultural, and security issues.
“This year, I will be voting for Constitution Party candidate Chuck Baldwin. “Chuck who?” you ask.”
Which really means that Obama effectively gets another vote.
Voting third party is a vote for Marxism...aka Barak HUSSEIN Obama
Remember Ross Perot?
Yeah...cuz voting for Chuck Baldwin (who?) isn’t throwing your vote away.
He has a right to vote for whatever candidate best represents him. I am voting for John McCain because, of the available candidates, he best represents me.
Receiving your much expected responses from FR today? Are you a masochist?
Tell me about my ‘wasted vote’ once Obama is in power with a veto-proof Congress. Just the thought makes my blood run cold.
suffer the consequences
Yet another reminder, if such were needed, that stupid people can write, too.
His house is burning down around him and he shouts “look at me!”
“Voting third party is a vote for Marxism...”
Yeah but voting Republican is a vote for McCain. Baldwin isn’t going to be on the Oklahoma ticket so I’m voting none of the above.
Which would you rather have (1) signing/vetoing [Democrat/Socialist/Unconstitutional] legislation, (2) appointing [living-constitution/judical-activist] supreme court justices, and (3) commanding the military might of the USA?
Which manner of voting tends to favor one over the other? (1) Voting for a candidate touted as being behind in the polls or (2) not voting for a such a candidate?
I look at it this way. Let's say it's the championship football game. There are two teams taking the field..."The Patriots" and "The Commukazies". So you go to bet in the football pool and you put money on "The Candybarrs" or "The Paulbearers". Congratulations. You've just throw away your money on a team that isn't even playing.
Here is a chart of the votes for third party candidates in the Presidential elections.
Not a single one was the winner. However, every one of them changed the dynamic of the election. Far to the left on that chart is Ross Perot. Every person who voted for him took a vote away from another candidate, mostly Republican. In doing this Bill Clinton was elected with less than 50% of the Popular vote. That is what voting for a third party candidate in this election will do as well. Put in a candidate that is against our cause.
Who the hell is Chuck Baldwin? One of the Baldwin Brother’s? Chuck Chuck, before I Upchuck. “Chuck”le!
McCain has some health problems. Vote for Sarah Palin. I am.
No, he doesn't "get another vote". He still gets only the votes of the dummies who actually vote for him.
Who votes third party? Leftists? No. So what is this paper really advocating?
Talk about transparent.
They should just run an editorial explaining why Conservatives should not vote for McCain. That’s all this is.
I thought leftists were worried about too much hot air escaping into the atmosphere.
Too bad McCain is usually running in the wrong direction or fighting his own teammates.
“Put in a candidate that is against our cause.”
Both of the candidates are against our cause.
He’s right. The lesser of two evils, is still evil.
By not voting for McCain, he’s not helping elect Obama. People who vote for Obama are responsible for electing him.
Look up the word "effectively". That should help you better understand what he wrote.
“No, he doesn’t “get another vote”. He still gets only the votes of the dummies who actually vote for him.
Look up the word “effectively”. That should help you better understand what he wrote.”
You beat me to it. lol
If you're going your vote away, you might as well really throw it away! You want to be sure that it is well and truly thrown far, far away ...
And what better way than to vote for a guy nobody's ever heard of, who's running under the banner of a party that traditionally runs neck and neck with the Libertarians in their headlong race for the cellar!
Chuck Baldwin -- YOUR choice for obscurity!
I have no qualms about people that vote third party. It is not a wasted vote, nor is it a vote for someone else, as many would say.
I will be voting for John McCain (Actually Sarah Palin) this election cycle.
Does he represent me? No.
But he represents me as much as any other candidate in the race, I respect his service to his country, I admire that he sticks to his guns, even when lambasted by his party, the other party, or anyone else for that matter, and this is the only candidate that has a chance of keeping BHO out of the oval office.
Can you provide a better solution for us to break out of the “vote for the lesser of two evils” death spiral? Getting kinda tired of doing that here.
I like Baldwin, and the CP is mostly OK except for their isolationist planks, but those could be changed over time.
The problem, of course, is that they’re not going to win.
I have no problem with those who make a principaled vote. I don’t say things like, “They’re just voting for Obama.” I don’t think they are. They’re voting their principles, so I take them at their word.
I vote for McCain because I think it is mathematically more likely that Obama will win the fewer votes that McCain gets. It’s simply a math problem for me. It’s not about anyone’s intentions or ethics.
If it’s a lost cause for McCain, then I’ll vote for Baldwin.
Which is exactly why the CP and its supporters can go pi** up a rope, as far as I'm concerned.
No. You’re wrong about that.
Obama is against our cause 100%. So is Joe Biden.
McCain has problems but has shown to change his mind in our favor. Look at the drilling issue.
But, Sarah Palin is 100% for our cause.
This is the way I feel about it. Should (God forbid) something happen to McCain after the election, if we vote him in we have Sarah. If we don’t we still have the Marxist.
You have to think past today. When I mistakenly voted for Ross Perot, it did NOTHING but give us 8 years of Clinton. And your vote for a third party candidate will give us Obama.
Facing the prospect of Obama winning with a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, there couldn’t be a dumber idea in bsttleground state.
Facing the prospect of Obama winning with a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, there couldn’t be a dumber idea in bsttleground state than to vote third party.
This year, I will eat lunch at Grover's Sloppy Burger to put McDonalds out of business. "Grover's what?" you ask. Exactly.
This year, I will shop at Flybynight Dollar Store to force Wal-Mart to pay attention to me. "Flybynight what?" you ask. Exactly.
I'm just trying to create a pattern that is both consistent and equally nonsensical to the quoted text.
And BTW, it also depends on how you define “our cause”.
To me, nothing is above life. I must vote for someone who will get in, and appoint Supreme Court judges who will protect life.
The rest is just frosting.
I’m not arguing that. Lord knows McCain was not even on my short list a few months ago. But it still doesn’t change the fact that there’s only two teams in this championship. And if we lose this game, the sport will NEVER be the same.
I think the author and anyone else who is voting third party this year is handing the election to Obamanation. Don’t do it!
I have a better solution.
Start supporting, with CASH DeMint’s group that is trying to get conservative Senators elected. It sends a signal to the GOP if your money goes there instead.
In the meantime, vote in Sarah Palin.
“Your vote is yours to do with as you will.”
I’m not voting for McCain but I don’t think anyone who does if evil. I’m amazed so many conservatives would vote for him after what he’s done the last 8 years. I don’t remember him sticking to his guns much over the years unless it was at our expense.
God, please deliver us from such ignorace!
Votes for third party candidates do not add to either of the main candidate totals nor do they subtract from either of their totals.
You act as if these voters owe their votes to one party or the other which is absolutely wrong. Many times third party voters would, as this person indicates, would not vote for either of the two main choices if that is all there was and quite frankly, if it were not for Sarah Palin, there are many, many, many voters who would not vote for McCain.
There are no votes 'against' a candidate, only votes for.
Yeah, but we can still pass to Palin
Jack Hunter is a complete idiot.
No, ignorance would be not understanding the term “effectively.”
With Obama ahead in just about every poll, every vote you take away from McCain puts him further behind, rendering it an “effective” vote for Obama.
Thought that was so clear.
Yeah, because voting for a party that gets 140 votes nationwide accomplishes so much.
No sarcasm tag needed.
You don't win games by running team members who will score the winning touchdown...for the other team.
Unless McCain [as well as his RINO buddies in the Senate] can be marginalized and and kept in check, McCain with a Democrat-controlled Congress will be like a spoiled, rotten teenager in a candy store...with his parents' credit card.
I’m not avoiding Chuckie out of fear of Obama. I’m avoiding him because he’s nuts.
Bawak and I would like to thank you all who stood up for your principles.