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Editorial: Don't throw away your vote by going with McCain or Obama
Charleston City Paper, Charleston, South Carolina ^ | 2008-10-22 | Jack Hunter

Posted on 10/23/2008 9:04:39 AM PDT by rabscuttle385

I have many Republican friends who are disgusted that I'm voting third party this election year. They believe stopping Barack Obama from becoming president outweighs all else. Meanwhile, I have many Democrat friends who are equally disgusted; for them, seeing John McCain defeated is more important than who wins. They are all wasting their votes.

Imagine a reckless teenager who constantly runs up his parents' credit cards, smashes the family car every Friday night, is failing in school, and has serious drinking and drug problems. Now imagine that no matter how reckless and dangerous that teenager became, his parents believed his behavior was worth tolerating simply because he was "their" kid. No reasonable person would consider this good parenting.

And yet this is exactly how otherwise reasonable people vote.

No matter how bad the Republican or Democrat nominee for president is, the party faithful support their own without fail. The message to politicians? They may lie, ignore their party's platform, and betray every supposed principle, but they will never be held accountable by most voters. Like the reckless teenager, there is simply no reason for them to stop their irresponsible behavior.

The greatest power the people have is their vote, and in supporting the lesser of two evils each election, voters ensure eternal evil.

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TOPICS: Editorial; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: 2008; conservatism; election; electionpresident; elections; gop; juanmccain; kookfringe; leftwingmedia; mcbama; mccain; mccaintruthfile; mcinsane; mcqueeg; mcrino; noobama; nosharethewealth; obama; rejectrinos; sc; stoopid; thirdparty
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Conservatives had little good to say about John McCain before he became the GOP nominee, but now they are prepared to vote for a pro-amnesty, liberal Republican, who recently was not only complicit in passing the greatest wealth distribution package in American history, but who also counts liberals Ted Kennedy, Joe Lieberman, and Russ Feingold amongst his greatest political allies. Is it really worth rewarding such a Republican in order to stop Obama?

This year, I will be voting for Constitution Party candidate Chuck Baldwin. "Chuck who?" you ask. Exactly.

There is no perfect candidate, and in fact I only have two litmus tests that any candidate must pass in order to win my vote; he must be committed to a traditional foreign policy, with the first order of business being to bring our troops home from Iraq, and he must be serious about stopping illegal immigration. There are other issues that concern me, but these two promise to do the most damage to the United States, as war and open borders are inextricably linked to America's most pertinent economic, cultural, and security issues.


1 posted on 10/23/2008 9:04:39 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: MaggieCarta; indylindy; roamer_1; calcowgirl; djsherin; Sunnyflorida; SoConPubbie; Sybeck1; ...

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2 posted on 10/23/2008 9:05:21 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

“This year, I will be voting for Constitution Party candidate Chuck Baldwin. “Chuck who?” you ask.”

Which really means that Obama effectively gets another vote.


3 posted on 10/23/2008 9:05:30 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: rabscuttle385

idiot.


4 posted on 10/23/2008 9:05:45 AM PDT by pgkdan ("White folks greed runs a world in need," Jeremiah Wright as quoted by Barack Obama)
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To: rabscuttle385

Voting third party is a vote for Marxism...aka Barak HUSSEIN Obama

Remember Ross Perot?


5 posted on 10/23/2008 9:06:17 AM PDT by JaneNC (I)
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To: rabscuttle385

Good luck...comrade.


6 posted on 10/23/2008 9:06:53 AM PDT by albie
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To: rabscuttle385

Yeah...cuz voting for Chuck Baldwin (who?) isn’t throwing your vote away.


7 posted on 10/23/2008 9:07:06 AM PDT by mockingbyrd (When I say Obama. You say Ayers.....Obama! Ayers!)
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To: rabscuttle385

He has a right to vote for whatever candidate best represents him. I am voting for John McCain because, of the available candidates, he best represents me.


8 posted on 10/23/2008 9:07:23 AM PDT by Tax-chick (After 5:00 p.m., slip brains through slot in door.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Receiving your much expected responses from FR today? Are you a masochist?


9 posted on 10/23/2008 9:07:49 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: rabscuttle385

Tell me about my ‘wasted vote’ once Obama is in power with a veto-proof Congress. Just the thought makes my blood run cold.


10 posted on 10/23/2008 9:08:03 AM PDT by tgusa (A taxpayer voting for B. Hussein Obama is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders)
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To: rabscuttle385

suffer the consequences


11 posted on 10/23/2008 9:08:52 AM PDT by lonestar
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To: rabscuttle385

Yet another reminder, if such were needed, that stupid people can write, too.


12 posted on 10/23/2008 9:08:59 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: rabscuttle385
Barack Obama thanks you for your vote!
13 posted on 10/23/2008 9:09:02 AM PDT by McGruff (Support your local House Republicans. They are our last line of defense.)
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To: rabscuttle385

His house is burning down around him and he shouts “look at me!”


14 posted on 10/23/2008 9:17:46 AM PDT by GVnana ("I once dressed as Tina Fey for Halloween." - Sarah Palin)
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To: JaneNC

“Voting third party is a vote for Marxism...”

Yeah but voting Republican is a vote for McCain. Baldwin isn’t going to be on the Oklahoma ticket so I’m voting none of the above.


15 posted on 10/23/2008 9:18:07 AM PDT by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: rabscuttle385
The candidate with the most electoral votes becomes President. That will be either McCain or Obama.

Which would you rather have (1) signing/vetoing [Democrat/Socialist/Unconstitutional] legislation, (2) appointing [living-constitution/judical-activist] supreme court justices, and (3) commanding the military might of the USA?

Which manner of voting tends to favor one over the other? (1) Voting for a candidate touted as being behind in the polls or (2) not voting for a such a candidate?

16 posted on 10/23/2008 9:18:20 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: rabscuttle385
I swear I read this exact same thing on a Ron Paul site this morning.

I look at it this way. Let's say it's the championship football game. There are two teams taking the field..."The Patriots" and "The Commukazies". So you go to bet in the football pool and you put money on "The Candybarrs" or "The Paulbearers". Congratulations. You've just throw away your money on a team that isn't even playing.

17 posted on 10/23/2008 9:18:29 AM PDT by Sisku Hanne (The day begins and ends in Alaska.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Here is a chart of the votes for third party candidates in the Presidential elections.

http://www.swivel.com/graphs/show/14356022

Not a single one was the winner. However, every one of them changed the dynamic of the election. Far to the left on that chart is Ross Perot. Every person who voted for him took a vote away from another candidate, mostly Republican. In doing this Bill Clinton was elected with less than 50% of the Popular vote. That is what voting for a third party candidate in this election will do as well. Put in a candidate that is against our cause.


18 posted on 10/23/2008 9:18:33 AM PDT by netmilsmom ( Obama And Osama both have friends who bombed the Pentagon)
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To: rabscuttle385

Who the hell is Chuck Baldwin? One of the Baldwin Brother’s? Chuck Chuck, before I Upchuck. “Chuck”le!


19 posted on 10/23/2008 9:18:45 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776 ( Our Mamma beats your Obama)
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To: demshateGod

McCain has some health problems. Vote for Sarah Palin. I am.


20 posted on 10/23/2008 9:19:41 AM PDT by netmilsmom ( Obama And Osama both have friends who bombed the Pentagon)
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To: Slapshot68; rabscuttle385
"Which really means that Obama effectively gets another vote."

No, he doesn't "get another vote". He still gets only the votes of the dummies who actually vote for him.

21 posted on 10/23/2008 9:21:49 AM PDT by Designer (We are SO scrood!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Who votes third party? Leftists? No. So what is this paper really advocating?

Talk about transparent.

They should just run an editorial explaining why Conservatives should not vote for McCain. That’s all this is.

I thought leftists were worried about too much hot air escaping into the atmosphere.


22 posted on 10/23/2008 9:21:56 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Is Obamanation what our founding fathers, our fallen men in combat, and Ronald Reagan had in mind?)
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To: Sisku Hanne
I look at it this way. Let's say it's the championship football game. There are two teams taking the field..."The Patriots" and "The Commukazies". So you go to bet in the football pool and you put money on "The Candybarrs" or "The Paulbearers". Congratulations. You've just throw away your money on a team that isn't even playing.

Too bad McCain is usually running in the wrong direction or fighting his own teammates.

23 posted on 10/23/2008 9:22:00 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: netmilsmom

“Put in a candidate that is against our cause.”

Both of the candidates are against our cause.


24 posted on 10/23/2008 9:23:51 AM PDT by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: rabscuttle385

He’s right. The lesser of two evils, is still evil.

By not voting for McCain, he’s not helping elect Obama. People who vote for Obama are responsible for electing him.


25 posted on 10/23/2008 9:24:19 AM PDT by tvdog12345
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To: Designer; Slapshot68; rabscuttle385
No, he doesn't "get another vote". He still gets only the votes of the dummies who actually vote for him.

Look up the word "effectively". That should help you better understand what he wrote.

26 posted on 10/23/2008 9:24:21 AM PDT by TChris (So many useful idiots...)
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To: TChris

“No, he doesn’t “get another vote”. He still gets only the votes of the dummies who actually vote for him.

Look up the word “effectively”. That should help you better understand what he wrote.”

You beat me to it. lol


27 posted on 10/23/2008 9:26:08 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: rabscuttle385
Don't throw your vote away on Obama or McCain... Hell no!!

If you're going your vote away, you might as well really throw it away! You want to be sure that it is well and truly thrown far, far away ...

And what better way than to vote for a guy nobody's ever heard of, who's running under the banner of a party that traditionally runs neck and neck with the Libertarians in their headlong race for the cellar!

Chuck Baldwin -- YOUR choice for obscurity!

28 posted on 10/23/2008 9:26:49 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: rabscuttle385
Your vote is yours to do with as you will.

I have no qualms about people that vote third party. It is not a wasted vote, nor is it a vote for someone else, as many would say.

I will be voting for John McCain (Actually Sarah Palin) this election cycle.

Does he represent me? No.
But he represents me as much as any other candidate in the race, I respect his service to his country, I admire that he sticks to his guns, even when lambasted by his party, the other party, or anyone else for that matter, and this is the only candidate that has a chance of keeping BHO out of the oval office.

29 posted on 10/23/2008 9:26:49 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: JaneNC

Can you provide a better solution for us to break out of the “vote for the lesser of two evils” death spiral? Getting kinda tired of doing that here.


30 posted on 10/23/2008 9:27:16 AM PDT by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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To: rabscuttle385

I like Baldwin, and the CP is mostly OK except for their isolationist planks, but those could be changed over time.

The problem, of course, is that they’re not going to win.

I have no problem with those who make a principaled vote. I don’t say things like, “They’re just voting for Obama.” I don’t think they are. They’re voting their principles, so I take them at their word.

I vote for McCain because I think it is mathematically more likely that Obama will win the fewer votes that McCain gets. It’s simply a math problem for me. It’s not about anyone’s intentions or ethics.

If it’s a lost cause for McCain, then I’ll vote for Baldwin.


31 posted on 10/23/2008 9:27:16 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: rabscuttle385
There is no perfect candidate, and in fact I only have two litmus tests that any candidate must pass in order to win my vote; he must be committed to a traditional foreign policy, with the first order of business being to bring our troops home from Iraq,

Which is exactly why the CP and its supporters can go pi** up a rope, as far as I'm concerned.

32 posted on 10/23/2008 9:28:07 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: demshateGod

No. You’re wrong about that.

Obama is against our cause 100%. So is Joe Biden.
McCain has problems but has shown to change his mind in our favor. Look at the drilling issue.

But, Sarah Palin is 100% for our cause.

This is the way I feel about it. Should (God forbid) something happen to McCain after the election, if we vote him in we have Sarah. If we don’t we still have the Marxist.

You have to think past today. When I mistakenly voted for Ross Perot, it did NOTHING but give us 8 years of Clinton. And your vote for a third party candidate will give us Obama.


33 posted on 10/23/2008 9:28:23 AM PDT by netmilsmom ( Obama And Osama both have friends who bombed the Pentagon)
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To: rabscuttle385

Facing the prospect of Obama winning with a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, there couldn’t be a dumber idea in bsttleground state.


34 posted on 10/23/2008 9:29:21 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: rabscuttle385

Facing the prospect of Obama winning with a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, there couldn’t be a dumber idea in bsttleground state than to vote third party.


35 posted on 10/23/2008 9:29:45 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: rabscuttle385
"This year, I will be voting for Constitution Party candidate Chuck Baldwin. "Chuck who?" you ask. Exactly."

This year, I will eat lunch at Grover's Sloppy Burger to put McDonalds out of business. "Grover's what?" you ask. Exactly.

This year, I will shop at Flybynight Dollar Store to force Wal-Mart to pay attention to me. "Flybynight what?" you ask. Exactly.

I'm just trying to create a pattern that is both consistent and equally nonsensical to the quoted text.

36 posted on 10/23/2008 9:29:50 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Barack Hussein Obama is a Socialist. GO SARAH !)
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To: demshateGod

And BTW, it also depends on how you define “our cause”.
To me, nothing is above life. I must vote for someone who will get in, and appoint Supreme Court judges who will protect life.

The rest is just frosting.


37 posted on 10/23/2008 9:31:14 AM PDT by netmilsmom ( Obama And Osama both have friends who bombed the Pentagon)
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To: rabscuttle385

I’m not arguing that. Lord knows McCain was not even on my short list a few months ago. But it still doesn’t change the fact that there’s only two teams in this championship. And if we lose this game, the sport will NEVER be the same.


38 posted on 10/23/2008 9:31:18 AM PDT by Sisku Hanne (The day begins and ends in Alaska.)
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To: rabscuttle385

I think the author and anyone else who is voting third party this year is handing the election to Obamanation. Don’t do it!


39 posted on 10/23/2008 9:32:36 AM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: mquinn

I have a better solution.
Start supporting, with CASH DeMint’s group that is trying to get conservative Senators elected. It sends a signal to the GOP if your money goes there instead.

In the meantime, vote in Sarah Palin.


40 posted on 10/23/2008 9:33:47 AM PDT by netmilsmom ( Obama And Osama both have friends who bombed the Pentagon)
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To: Just another Joe

“Your vote is yours to do with as you will.”

I’m not voting for McCain but I don’t think anyone who does if evil. I’m amazed so many conservatives would vote for him after what he’s done the last 8 years. I don’t remember him sticking to his guns much over the years unless it was at our expense.


41 posted on 10/23/2008 9:34:13 AM PDT by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: Slapshot68
Which really means that Obama effectively gets another vote.

God, please deliver us from such ignorace!

Votes for third party candidates do not add to either of the main candidate totals nor do they subtract from either of their totals.

You act as if these voters owe their votes to one party or the other which is absolutely wrong. Many times third party voters would, as this person indicates, would not vote for either of the two main choices if that is all there was and quite frankly, if it were not for Sarah Palin, there are many, many, many voters who would not vote for McCain.

There are no votes 'against' a candidate, only votes for.

43 posted on 10/23/2008 9:34:56 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!!!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Yeah, but we can still pass to Palin


44 posted on 10/23/2008 9:35:55 AM PDT by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: rabscuttle385

Jack Hunter is a complete idiot.


45 posted on 10/23/2008 9:36:40 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right: You never win by losing!)
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To: Eagle Eye

No, ignorance would be not understanding the term “effectively.”

With Obama ahead in just about every poll, every vote you take away from McCain puts him further behind, rendering it an “effective” vote for Obama.

Thought that was so clear.


46 posted on 10/23/2008 9:37:51 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: rabscuttle385

Yeah, because voting for a party that gets 140 votes nationwide accomplishes so much.

No sarcasm tag needed.


47 posted on 10/23/2008 9:38:26 AM PDT by RockinRight (Obama who?)
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To: Sisku Hanne
But it still doesn’t change the fact that there’s only two teams in this championship. And if we lose this game, the sport will NEVER be the same.

You don't win games by running team members who will score the winning touchdown...for the other team.

Unless McCain [as well as his RINO buddies in the Senate] can be marginalized and and kept in check, McCain with a Democrat-controlled Congress will be like a spoiled, rotten teenager in a candy store...with his parents' credit card.

48 posted on 10/23/2008 9:38:29 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

I’m not avoiding Chuckie out of fear of Obama. I’m avoiding him because he’s nuts.


49 posted on 10/23/2008 9:39:26 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: rabscuttle385
Ladies and gentlemen I give you the next
First Lady of the United States, Michelle Obama.

Bawak and I would like to thank you all who stood up for your principles.


50 posted on 10/23/2008 9:40:51 AM PDT by McGruff (Support your local House Republicans. They are our last line of defense.)
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