Democrat: Obama's grandma confirms Kenyan birth'...real sham he's pulled off for the last 20 months'

WND ^ | October 23, 2008

[Red Steel]

The Pennsylvania Democrat who has sued Sen. Barack Obama demanding he prove his American citizenship – and therefore qualification to run for president – has confirmed he has a recording of a telephone call from the senator's paternal grandmother confirming his birth in Kenya.

The issue of Obama's birthplace, which he states is Honolulu in 1961, has been raised enough times that his campaign website has posted an image purporting to be of his "Certification of Live Birth" from Hawaii.

But Philip J. Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, told the Michael Savage talk radio program tonight that the document is forged and that he has a tape recording he will soon release.

"This has been a real sham he's pulled off for the last 20 months," Berg told Savage. "I'll release it [the tape] in a day or two, affidavits from her talking to a certain person. I heard the tape. She was speaking [to someone] here in the United States."

He said the telephone call was from Obama's paternal grandmother affirming she "was in the delivery room in Kenya when he was born Aug. 4, 1961."

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Three, be a natural-born citizen. He is not."

Obama campaign officials acknowledged the dispute by posting the image purporting to be a copy of his certification of live birth earlier this year. But they've declined to return WND requests for comment...

WND reported earlier this week Berg's claim that Obama has legally "admitted" the accusations included in his lawsuit, including that he was born in Mombosa, Kenya, by not responding to the allegations.

Berg has cited Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, which states that unless the accused party provides written answer or objection to charges within 30 days, the accused legally admits the matter.

[dsc]

“Yes, it’s true that children can become US citizens thru parentage, but they’re still not a “natural born citizen” as the Constitution requires.”

The foreign service pukes at the embassy told me differently.

According to them, a citizen by parentage is a citizen by birth.

[dsc]

“All Philip Berg is asking is that these records be produced.”

If I were Bush, I’d be sending the Marines in to get those records and bitch slap anyone who got in their way.

[freebird5850]

Thanks for that. The plot thickens....I gotta buy more popcorn.

[null and void]

True, it does suffice if you are a bastard born of an American citizen overseas.

But if you are an American married to a foreign national and living in Foreignnationalisatan, your kid is a Foreignnationalisatani by birth, not an American.

Also if you get knocked up by an American (military or civilian) in Foreignnationalisatan, and you are Foreignnationalisatani, your kid is also a Foreignnationalisatani.

By itself, one American parent is no guarantee of American citizenship.

Nor is Citizenship, by itself, a qualifier for holding the office of President.

[null and void]

There is still the issue of whether or not he LOST an possible citizenship

That, and the simple fact that Hawaii will issue a Hawaiian birth certificate to a foreign born child upon adoption...

[Churchillspirit]

If you want the chapter and verse on this and all the other Obama scandals, read “Obama Timeline”. A long read but worth the time.

[null and void]

The foreign service pukes at the embassy told me differently.

According to them, a citizen by parentage is a citizen by birth.

Of course they'd believe that, otherwise they wouldn't allow themselves to be stationed overseas.

Further, there are some arguments for that position based on a 1790 law (Which was superseded in 1795, by a law that dropped 'natural born' as a descriptor).

In point of fact, this is a grey area, and the answer is indeterminate until the Supremes rule on it.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

You're wrong:

INA: ACT 301 - NATIONALS AND CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AT BIRTH

Sec. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1401] The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: (...)

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669; 22 U.S.C. 288) by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and

[null and void]

I think this is the summary.

Before election:

•DNC decides, method not specified
•RNC fills vacancy, reconvene convention or RNC state representitves vote, simple majority wins

Just before the election:

•Congress may pass special legislation to move back election day to give more time for the party to select a new candidate and regroup

11/4 Election

After election, but before Electoral College

•No federal law. Electors open to vote for VP, third party, or convention runner up. State laws may affect elector's abilities to select.

12/15 Electoral College

After Electoral College, before Congress counts the votes

•Congress counts Electoral College votes and declares winner. Winner's VP gets it

-or- •Congress throws out votes. If a surviving candidate can be said to have a majority of votes, they get it. -or- •Congress throws out votes. Per 12th Amendment, House of represetitives selects from top three candidates with the most votes. (surviving Democrat or Republican and two third party candidates?) -or- •Per 20th Amendment, VP gets it, but only applies after candidate becomes 'President-Elect". That could be after Electoral College.

1/6 Congressional Vote Count

After Congressional count but before inauguration;
•Per 20th Amendment, VP gets it, but only applies after candidate becomes 'President-Elect" That is certainly after Congressional count.

1/20 Inauguration
•VP gets it

[null and void]

David? Gatún? A little help here?

I’m quite willing for Bubba Ho-Tep’s citation to be relevant, but that would negate any need to prove place of birth, if a parent is an American citizen.

That doesn’t fit with any of the existing brouhaha...

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

The rules have changed. At the time Obama was born, the rule was the mother had to have spent 5 years in the US after the age of 16. His mother was only 18. So if someone's got a birth certificate from Kenya (and didn't we hear a couple of weeks ago that three different people had copies in safe places?) they need to be producing it.

The Indonesia stuff only works if we believe that Obama himself stood up in front of a consular official before the age of ten and convinced him that he knew what he was doing when he renounced his citizenship. Any adoption or anything his mother did wouldn't have meant anything.

[Katarina]

Thank you for that video. I am going to send it to friends and family.

[null and void]

The rules have changed.

Yeah, about a half a zillion times, sometimes retroactively, sometimes not. The Constitutional phrase "natural born citizen" hasn't had a legal definition since 1795.

I'm inclined to believe that the Founding Dads were worried about divided loyalties.

Could a president born and raised in Bumfuqistan be completely unbiased in responding to a situation affecting US interests in Bumfuqistan? Would he/she feel the need to overreact to show no bias?

Likewise could a first generation American born son or daughter of hard core un-naturalized Oldcountrians fail to hold a soft (or hardened?) spot in his heart for Oldcountria?

I think they wanted the President to be someone who would unquestionably and instinctively put America first in every thought, word, and action.

Therefore, as far as I'm concerned a President needs to be born and raised in America, and have American parents.

I'll bend my stiff Kraut neck enough to allow both parents to be naturalized, and might even allow up to 6 of the kid's first 18 years to be spent in a distant land...

[XR7]

Granny’s a Kenyan, in Kenya.

Is that why BHO believes in Keynesian economics? >/s

[Cacique]

btt

[dsc]

“But if you are an American married to a foreign national and living in Foreignnationalisatan, your kid is a Foreignnationalisatani by birth, not an American. “

No, sorry, you’re mistaken about that.