Posted on 11/01/2008 4:36:57 PM PDT by dascallie
( PLUS, shouldn't we, the American people be aghast that Obama scammed us again--with this FAKE trip to see grandma.."she may not make it til election day"...funny no followup words, grandma's dropped off the radar again..He has LIED again...call him on it!)
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October 27, 2008 Obama's Birth Certificate Sealed by Hawaii Governor By DemocracyRules
Quote: The Governor of Hawaii has taken action to prevent anyone but Obama himself from having a copy of the document.
Obama was there yesterday.
To visit his sick grandma.
Lawyer Andy Martin was just before the Hawaiian courts a few days ago to force the release of Obama's birth certificate.
Just prior to Martin's court appearance, Obama announced his Grandma was sick, and he had to visit her immediately. I guess the visit was a success, because Michelle Obama now says granny is fine. I guess the "cancer" disappeared.
So I guess the Governor thinks she has thwarted Martin's legal efforts in Hawaii to get the birth certificate.
Martin might use this:
The Constitution of the United States
Article Six, paragraph two
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
So Martin could argue that the US Constitution stands above any state law or Governor's order. Martin might argue that the issue of Presidential eligibility (Article II) is written in the US Constitution. Therefore, the Governor would have no jurisdiction over impeding the assessment of eligibility. The Governor would lack the authority to withhold the document.
I hope he does appeal this Governor's order, and I hope he makes a lot of noise about doing it.
If all this was fiction, no one would believe it.
Maybe it could happen in a banana republic. Banana, anyone?
Pro Patria
DemocracyRules on October 27, 2008 at 12:46 AM | Permalink ShareThis TrackBack TrackBack URL for this entry: http://www.typepad.com/t/trackback/599200/35001221
Listed below are links to weblogs that reference Obama's Birth Certificate Sealed by Hawaii Governor: Comments The oath of office for most public officials includes a vow to uphold the Constitution of the United States. This includes the Governor of Hawaii. If there is something in Mr. Obama's documentation that disqualifies him from serving, she cannot in good conscience seal this record.
Thus her actions support the thesis that the birth certificate supports a claim that Mr. Obama is a natural-born citizen, but that the birth certificate also includes other information embarrassing to him. This satisfies her obligation to the Constitution and it explains the reticence of everyone to just settle the matter like Mr. McCain did with his birth certificate.
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{From DR -- I hope you're right Steve. But (1) By her own order, the Governor would not be entitled to examiine those birth documents, so she probably does not know what's in them, and
(2) if Obama does not release this information at some point, then for the rest of history, historians will question his eligibility to serve. A mountain of evidence already questions his eligibility, and this issue will not go away by itself. -- Pro Patria}
Posted by: Steve Poling | October 27, 2008 at 02:04 AM
The Republican governor of Hawaii sealed Obama's birth records to help him????Oh puleeze.
Posted by: lois tri | October 27, 2008 at 03:12 PM
The things Obama is telling everyone is one of the many things that are turning off Americans, including what he's now saying about his cultural background. He is NOT Hawaiian in the slightest. He is African-Arabian. We don't even have evidence that he was really born in Hawaii. We only have his Certificate of Live Birth. We DO NOT have his Birth Certificate. Obama campaign trolls on the internet shouldn't even try to joke about such matters of culture to Americans because they have no idea who it is they're trying to pretend to be, and rather pathetically so.
Posted by: Norman Paqua | October 27, 2008 at 08:08 PM
1. Why would Barack Hussein Obama's African grandmother say she stood by the bed when he was born in Kenya? You can't be born in two places. The Hawaiian certificate of 'live birth' is a fake. It does not carry the Hawaii state seal, the name of the doctor and other relevant information found on ALL birth certificates.
2. He IS hiding something and the MSMM (main stream media morons) are complicit in that cover-up which is a disservice by not reporting the news truthfully.
3. Barack Hussein Obama is a fraud,a liar and a grave danger to OUR country. God Help us all if he is elected on Nov. 4th.
Posted by: Susan Grant | October 29, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Why is everything associated with Obama like his birth certificate locked from public view?
Why would a source, who didn’t want to share something, give it to the LA Times? If you don’t want to share it, then why is it there? When it’s called for it's suddenly protected. It must have something damaging to Obama, since they don’t want to release it?
It also brings up http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=79174 Within this article, there is a comment that Kenya will not release documents regarding Obama until after the election. Now why would there be anything there that should not be shown? If there’s nothing to hide, then they should provide……….same as the LA Times Flashback to “fit & acquit”…………………hmmmmmm
And as for Spreading the Wealth, what's wrong with helping your own family Obama?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5042571.ece
Posted by: bobbi85710 | October 30, 2008 at 11:11 AM
The governor is a republican and as such must be a neocon (fascist) and part of the cabal... also Jewish, remember Obama bowing to AIPAC during their convention?
{From DR-- Please explain your reasoning! In what way are Republicans all Fascists? Evidence or invective? By the the way the Cabala is a book relating to an ancient Jewish mystical sect. Perhaps you think AIPAC is sect-sey?}
This would explain why she is withholding the birth certificate. Its for the benefit of all parties who are for globalizing. Obama is the perfect international candidate to become the worlds first leader with an international background.
{Yes, but wouldn't it be better for Obama to explain this in the first place, before the election? John Kennedy was furious at Castro because a few months after Castro won power, he declared that he had been a Communist all along! Kennedy hated Communists.}
Being president is only the first step and getting his international birth hidden is part of getting him through this first stage. He will espouse a leadership role for the US and take the lead to save the world....Yah, right.
He just got an endorsement from Odinga who used Obama as an adviser on how to overturn the results of the election in Kenya. Well, they used violence and rather than continue tearing the country apart the real elected leader agreed to share power with Odinga given his adviser maybe the next president of the US.
Anyway, Obama has 6 CFR advisers on his staff which is more than any previous candidate who was also controlled by the CFR.... What does that tell you???
Read this and figure it out. Be sure to cut and paste it since I had to put in a space. This is a fascinating read and will explain everything.... all will make sense when you understand who is managing him
Biden is a 30 year CFR man, and Obama's wife is on the CFR Chicago board, so he, Obama will be managed at work by Biden, similar to cheney (ex chair of the CFR) and Bush and at home by his wife. Nice huh? We are screwed.
{Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof! -- Pro Patria}
http://www.cfr.org/publication/9903/
sovereigntyandglobalisation.html October 31, 2008 at 12:27 PM http://ginacobb.typepad.com/gina_cob...-governor.html
What is in that birth certificate???
American mother.
End of story.
Please find a much better way to beat this guy, okay?
The man is a spellbinder snake oil salesman and the press is complicit in the crimes and lies. the press has FAILED miserably in its duty to get at the truth and has forfeited it franchise. The press and Obama are disreputable liars.
Quit saying it is irrelevant. Lies are not irrelevant. The Constitution is NOT irrelevant.
No matter how much people think the birth certificate thing is not worth pursuing, the mid-campaign trip to Hawaii that culminated in a mere one hour visit to good ol’ dying grandma doesn’t pass the smell test.
Possibilities:
A> He is listed as Caucasian
B> His full name is Barack Mohammed Hussein Obama (Soweto)
C> It was filed days after his birth, casting more doubt on his eligibility.
D> Nothing. The entire thing is a diversion from documents that really disqualify him.
I lean toward D.
Yes, but....
Fox News reported a couple of hours ago that the governor of Hawaii and the director of the bureau of vital records had issued a statement that they had viewed the birth certificate and it was valid and in order.
The governor is a Republican who spoke at the convention. Don’t think she would participate in a fraud but I’m sure that won’t stop people from wondering until they get their hands on it.
Maybe they just whipped up a fresh one. (I don’t believe that)
know your facts. He lost his American citizenship when he was adopted by his indonesian stepfather—no records of any renewing of American citizenship.
Impugning the Governor for sealing the record is off the mark ‘cause it is not she who would actually seal the records. However, sealing the records also protects the thing from being replaced with a counterfeit. Remember Sandy Burger? ... Elections have consequences. We need to elect McCain/Plain because if we don’t, removing Barack Obama on the fundamental of him not even being eligible to run will only result in Biden and Hillary in office. Having the record seal through the election date serves to keep the unknown emphasized. Good move on Lingle’s part, if she was indeed responsible for this.
By the way, isn't voting by illegal aliens a felony? ( Just wondering.)
the certificate was filed x number days after he was born. So what there is a “certificate” on file? What does it say ? The one online was a forgery, Obama camp should be charged with fraud.
A valid certificate saying what exactly................you can certify any folking fact see.....whether it makes him a United States citizen is the issue...get it?
TWohlford - just because Obama's mother was an American - doesn't mean he's American. We're trying to find out where the guy was born. Was it Hawaii or was it Kenya...or was it Mars. I personally think it was Mars.
Thursday, October 30, 2008
WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Obama’s birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document
Posted: October 26, 2008
9:54 pm Eastern
By Jerome R. Corsi
WorldNetDaily
Gov. Linda Lingle, R-Hawaii
Quote:
HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama’s birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii’s Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate’s birth certificate under seal and instructed the state’s Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances.
The governor’s office officially declined a request made in writing by WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original birth certificate of Barack Obama.
“It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth certificate he seeks,” wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent services in the governor’s office, in an e-mailed response to a WND request seeking the information.
Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth certificate include the person born, or “registrant” according to the legal description from the governor’s office, the spouse or parent of the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant.
WND was told the official reason for denial of access to Obama’s birth certificate would be authority granted pursuant to Section 338-18 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes, a provision the anonymous source claimed was designed to prevent identity theft.
Still, the source told WND confidentially the motivation for withholding the original birth certificate was political, although the source refused to disclose whether there was any information on the original birth certificate that would prove politically embarrassing to Obama.
Get the book that started it all, Jerome Corsi’s “The Obama Nation,” autographed by the author, exclusively from WND’s online store for the amazing low price of just $4.95.
The source also refused to answer WND’s question whether the original document on file with the Department of Health was a hospital-generated birth certificate or a registration of birth that may have been filed subsequent to the birth.
The anonymous source made clear the Hawaii Department of Health would immediately release Obama’s original birth certificate, provided Obama requested the document be released, but the Department of Heath has received no such request from the senator or from anyone acting officially on his behalf.
WND also found on microfilm in the Honolulu downtown public library a notice published under the “Births, Marriages, Deaths” section of the Honolulu Sunday Advertiser for August 13, 1961, on page B-6, noting: “Mr. and Mrs. Barack II Obama. 6085 Kalanianaole-Hwy, son, Aug. 4.”
In searching through the birth notices of the Honolulu Advertiser for 1961, WND found many birth notices were published between one and two weeks after the date of birth listed.
The notice in the Honolulu Advertiser does not list the hospital where the Obama son was born or the doctor who delivered the baby.
In a startling development, Obama’s Kenyan grandmother has reportedly alleged she witnessed Obama’s birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.
Friday, U.S. Federal judge Richard Barclay Surrick, a Clinton appointee, dismissed a lawsuit brought by Pennsylvania attorney Phillip J. Berg who alleged Obama was not a U.S. “natural born” citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency under the specifications of the U.S. Constitution, under Article II, Section 1.
Berg told WND last week he does not have a copy of a Kenyan birth certificate for Obama that he alleges exists.
In Kenya, WND was told by government authorities that all documents concerning Obama were under seal until after the U.S. presidential election on November 4.
The Obama campaign website entitled “Fight the Smears” posts a state of Hawaii “Certificate of Live Birth” which is obviously not the original birth certificate generated by the hospital where Obama reportedly was born.
“Fight the Smears” declares, “The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America.”
Although the Obama campaign could immediately put an end to all the challenges by simply producing the candidate’s original birth certificate, it has not done so. And the “Fight the Smears” website offers no explanation as to why Obama has refused to request, and make public, an original hospital-generated birth certificate which the Hawaii Department of Health may possess.
If you’d like to sound off on this issue, please take part in the WorldNetDaily poll.
Birth certification doesn’t mean he’s a natural born citizen. He could have been born in Kenya, as his grandmother says, then a few days later his mother registers him in Hawaii. The real documents to be searching would be in Kenya, if they still exist, or ever did exist.
In the “father” space there is no name... just...three....numbers.
Not that simple if you look at what encompasses a “natural born citizen”. I agree that this may go nowhere but that doesn’t mean we can’t do this and other things to stop the Obamanation at the same time.
American mother.
An American mother is not enough to be a natural born citizen.
End of story.
No, it isn't.
By the way, were you schooled in our government K-12 indoctrination camps. Did the Marxists running your school ( government or private) neglect the Constitution? ( Just wondering.)
There are some posts about a law in Hawaii that allows a hawaiian birth certificate even if you are born outside of the US if a parent is a Citizen.
So the birth certificate could be valid but he was born in Kenya.
However, the whole point becomes moot about the place of birth if Frank Marshall Davis was listed as the father or is his father. Born in Kenya and father is Obama - not a US citizen. Born in Kenya and Davis father - US citizen.
This doesn’t mean there still aren’t issues about Indonesia and whether he had to give up US citizenship to get the Indonesian passport he used to travel to Pakistan when US citizens weren’t allowed free access.
American mother.
An American mother is not enough to be a natural born citizen.
End of story.
No, it isn't.
By the way, were you schooled in our government K-12 indoctrination camps. Did the Marxists running your school ( government or private) neglect the Constitution? ( Just wondering.)
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