Skip to comments.Peeking Out From the McCain Wreckage: Mitt Romney
Posted on 11/07/2008 6:20:56 AM PST by Leisler
Facing reporters the day after she and John McCain went down to defeat, Sarah Palin professed not to be thinking much about the next presidential election.
2012 sounds so far off, she said.
Of course, thats exactly the kind of answer that any potential presidential candidate is supposed to give now and for the next two years or so until the 2010 midterm elections signal the more formal start of the next White House campaign cycle.
And make no mistake: the race is very much underway, and it has been for some time. In fact, theres already been a poll, conducted on Election Night by pollster Neil Newhouse. It found that among Republicans, 33 percent believe Mitt Romney should be the partys new leader, with 20 percent choosing Mike Huckabee and 18 percent for Sarah Palin. (Granted, the poll wasnt actually asking who should be the 2012 G.O.P. nominee, but its good enough for now.)
Thats probably a fairly accurate representation of the Republican race at this early stage.
Romney essentially began his 2012 campaign the instant he dropped out of this years contest. Instead of pulling the plug with a subdued press conference, Romney tried to use his withdrawal to curry favor with the party base, dramatically announcing at the February Conservative Political Action Conference that he didnt want to be a part of aiding a surrender to terror by weakening John McCain any further.
Then, after months of bloodying McCain as a traitor to the conservative cause (even though Romney had defined himself in Massachusetts in opposition to the conservative wing of the G.O.P.), he abruptly threw himself into McCains effort in a transparent effort to win the No. 2 slot on the G.O.P. ticket which would have given him a significant leg up in 2012 (or 2016, had he and McCain won). But the Romney-for-VP effort fell apart because of McCains lingering distaste for Romney and his spineless opportunism and because some conservative leaders in the party whose minds were also on 2012 aroused McCains suspicions by aggressively and publicly pushing against Romneys competitors for the running-mate gig, most notably Joe Lieberman.
Still, even though he didnt get his wish, Romney has emerged from the 2008 campaign as the early 12 front-runner. He has solid support among the conservative base, though he struggled to connect with some religious conservatives because of his Mormon faith. But because of his corporate background and style, his youthful energy and his impressive communication skills, Romney has the ability to sell himself as a more mainstream (read: less threatening to moderates and independents) conservative than other candidates who pander to the Christian right. With this potential and the support and name recognition he already has in place, Romney is the clear G.O.P. leader.
That said, Romney dodged a big bullet these past few months, because his 12 preeminence was initially jeopardized when McCain chose Palin as his running-mate. Palin immediately connected with the culturally conservative heart of the Republican Party, a subset of the Republican base (which also includes more traditional economic conservatives who dont dabble in the kind of resentment politics that defines cultural conservatism). That bond was only reinforced during the fall campaign, with cultural conservatives rallying to Palins defense against what they convinced themselves was a concerted push by the liberal media to destroy her.
The threat to Romney was that Palin would expand on this intense base of support during the campaign, creating the kind of broad appeal for herself that Romney can still potentially achieve. Had she done that, she would have supplanted him as the 12 front-runner.
She got off to a solid-looking start. A week after McCain picked her, Palin delivered a mesmerizing convention address in which she showed poise, polish and humor. In the week leading up to her speech, Americans had heard Democrats tirelessly raise questions about her experience, but her command performance set their concerns at ease. Polls in the wake of the G.O.P. convention found most independent voters buying into the Republican line that Palin was being unfairly singled out for criticism. They were warming up to her and she was a clear asset for McCain.
But she couldnt keep it up. Instead, she spent the rest of the campaign systematically undoing all of the good she did for herself with that convention speech. The Sarah Palin that voters saw on the campaign trail this fall and in interviews with Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric confirmed to independent and mainstream Republican voters that Palin was in well over her head. By Election Day, she had become Tina Feys impersonation of her, and just 30 percent of voters believed she was qualified to serve as president.
Palin, therefore, emerges from this race as a tremendously polarizing figure. She retains a large and fanatical fan base among cultural conservatives one that would make her a factor in any G.O.P. primary campaign, and a contender in some states, like Iowa. But she has also alienated much of her party and most independents; it is difficult to envision her assembling a winning coalition in a 12 campaign for the G.O.P. nomination.
That leaves Romney sitting pretty (for now, anyway) and suggests that Palin might be a bigger threat to Huckabee, who dealt with the same kind of ceiling this spring that Palin now faces (virtually no appeal beyond religious and cultural conservatives). As of now, Palin and Huckabee will be scrapping over the same basic turf in 12. Obviously, this would hurt both of them and help Romney enormously.
But, as Palin said on Wednesday, 2012 is a long way off. She and Huckabee can both try to use the next few years to broaden their appeal. Huckabee has been hosting a late night variety show on the Fox News Channel for a few months now, and Palin could be in line for a television offer of her own at some point.
There will also be other candidates in 12, any of whom might emerge as the new front-runner, or at least alter the dynamics in a way favorable to Romney, Palin or Huckabee. Newt Gingrich, for instance, is plainly itching to run. A governor or two, along with a few senators or House members, will also inevitably toy with the race, and some of them will enter.
But for now, it can be said that Romney will get what he wanted the day he dropped out back in February: another shot at the nomination
Romney = Back stabber! Must be watched!
Believe me, Sarah has. Romney looks like an empty suit Northeastern country club elitist next to her, which ironically is exactly what he is. McRomney should call off their smear merchants who are attacking Sarah, for their own good. They will take themselves down, but not Sarah. The base is on her side.
This thread should tell you all you need to know about the chances of a Romney win.I will permanently leave the GOP if Romney somehow weasels his way into the nomination.
Our tent does not expand by moving it leftward. You would think that lesson would be perfectly clear after Tuesday.
“Romney = Back stabber! Must be watched!”
YOu’ve got it right, WellyP
I've seen sufficient evidence to be persuaded, but in my disgust, I haven't kept track of it, so I can't readily point it out to you.
Fraudney can go back to Massachusetts and rot.
Just say no to Mitt!
If you think Mitt Romney is the solution to the GOP ills, then the patient is truly terminal.
Sure ... Romney sounds GREAT ... IF you want a REPEAT of the outcome of THIS election. Romney would do or say anything to get elected. He’s as slick as a used car salesman. He doesn’t represent me ... us. We got a taste of true representation with Palin. We liked it ... a lot. If it weren’t for Palin, I likely would have voted Libertarian this year. Romney is no Palin. Give me “a Palin” or give me “Palin”.
The candidate of K Street and a White House that stopped being conservative a long, long time ago? We want to follow this gerbil over the cliff in 2012?
Thanks, but no thanks. Say no to the Ken Doll!
I always though GHWB regretted picking Quayle and lent him little help after 1989. when Quayle trailed to run in 1999 against their anointed one, even Barbara Bush (I think but cannot recall the details) denounced Marilyn Quayle at one point.
In your face Romney.
I also think but could be wrong that Quayle would have performed better as President than either GHWB or GWB.
This is the real trick. When Palin comes back in 2010 she will have a plan and a blueprint for the path of this Country. She will be able to discuss “her” plans and ideas for the public. I imagine her coming out with something like what the congressman from WI has out now. It might not be the same ideas but it will be clear objectives that she actually believes in. It is always easier to defend your ideas and not someone elses. Mitt has presented “his” plan and it was rejected. That is why Mitt is not going to be the next choice.
This is bad. You know, I feel if Iowa and New Hampshire are STILL allowed to go first in the primary process. And NH is STILL allowed to let anybody vote in the primary regardless of party, Mitt may well have a solid chance of being the front-runner out of the gate.
What law says these states have to vote first? Is there one? McCain didn’t even carry Iowa or NH ultimately. And NH was primarily responsible for fueling his comeback, right? Can’t we work to stop this now?
Can the GOP reject delegates from states with “open” primaries? The argument that it will upset them doesn’t wash when you see that the libs were still able to carry MI and FL this year after screwing around with their delegates.
Can the GOP have somebody else vote first? Like, for example, the states that won by the “reddest” margin this year? Maybe it could provide some good incentive for local grass-roots organizers. States that have the strongest showing get the distinction of being the first in the process.
In my opinion, restructuring our primaries should be the first thing we go after if we want to rebuild the right way. I’m not an expert. Maybe I’m way off base. But if you agree, how do we get this done? Where do we start?
Is it already too late for 2012?
I’d take Mitt too right now over Obama. When we were down to McCain, Huckabee, Paul, and Romney in the CO caucus I chose Romney. However, for 2012 I don’t want to see the same old in the line up—2008 part II. A lot can happen in 4 years, but I’m hoping for a Jindal run right now and a lot of other fresh conservative faces. I have no idea who some of those faces might be, but I hope they are out there and getting prepared.
Don’t bet on it. Whether you like him or hate him, he has 300 million bucks or so waiting to unleash in a campaign. That much money will make him a player.
“wish he had been McCain’s ‘pick’ for VP”
You would have really seen an Obama landslide then.
I like Mitt ok - but he’s a Republican, not a conservative.
The best speech Mitt gave was his concession speech- he should leave it there.
In my view, we need new faces and voices who are enthusiastic and principled conservatives. Men like Pence, women like Bachman.
For 8 years we’ve struggled with a “compassionate conservative” as the leader of the GOP. It’s been a long hard road for me to lose faith in my president. I dearly love the guy - and yet I believe he’s been badly served by those he trusted.
Whatever the cause- the result is the GOP is a mess- without a vision. We are suffering from a lack of leadership- because we stopped standing on our PRINCIPLES. It is hard to lead without clarity of purpose and beliefs.
So basically we gave the “rino” wing of the party 8 years, several of them under complete majorities in the executive and legislative branches. We see the results.
There is a nucleus- mostly in the House, a few in the Senate- of conservatives. They should be expected to craft positions and policies based on PRINCIPLES- not the other way around.
The struggle in the party is now between the ideas of Democrat-lite and actual conservative principles.
I don’t see Romney on the side of the latter.
I’m not proposing lurching to the left; quite the opposite, actually. I’m using Romney as an example of what the party should be going after: an Economics-based candidate(s). Who else is out there to use as an example? Please, hold him/her up.
OTOH, Mitt is no where nearly as horrible as folks have made him out to be. I know - I lived here in MA when he was governor. Is he my #1 choice? No. But again, Ronald Reagan isn’t making any more campaign stops.
Another thought: the GOP/RNC should buy their own TV network - this will be the only way to get the message out.
Well, Romney is handsome, and he can appeal to the dumb women who were turned on by Bill Clinton, and I guess now Barack Obama........
NO! GODDAMMIT, NO! He may be a LOT smarter than Bush and McCain, but NO MORE GODDAMNED RINOS!
Okay, so now we can libs in charge of the economy instead of Mr. Romney. Great.
Well Sarah is prett, so what’s your point?
I'll tell you this: Mitt would have ripped Obamarx a new one during the debates for sure.
The Republican Party needs someone who can effectively communicate and speak coherently.
"33 percent believe Mitt Romney should be the partys new leader..."
The party also needs someone who is actually a conservative.
No way i’d ever vote for the pile of poop!
Yep. And he showed us that and even told us that.
Men don’t get as worked up over an attractive woman as women do over good-looking men. Didn’t you ever hear Rush talk about the “arousal gap”?
No support here. No more rinos. Just go away.
Here we go again. This↑ is exactly the kind of juvenile whining that guaranteed the GOP loss this year.
Have you seen the multitude and multitude of posts by men on Ms. Palin’s looks? I have.
My hunch is that McCain has his fingers in this too as it fits his MO.
We'll see what unfolds hee soon.
Kathleen Parker? Is that you?
Well, I just don’t think enough men would have voted for McCain because they thought Palin was pretty, but women might vote for Romney because they’re turned on by him. There are a lot of dumb Democrat women out there who don’t have too many brain cells to rub together.... it could give us an edge anyway, but no, Romney is not the best person to be representing conservative principles.
Oh, I think you know I’m not Kathleen. I’m just one of the 33% who back Mitt Romney as the GOP leader.
I agree! If Tom Coburn or Ted Poe or Jeff Sessions or Jim DeMint (for examples) would run I’d personally love it! Will they run? Can they win?
While this country is still slightly center-right, It’s further lef than it was 20 years ago, no question. Who is the best messenger? I don’t know. But, IMO, the messenger needs to be someone who can talk economics, first and foremost.
It's all about how the markets want to present you and the markets won't present you unless you graduated from Harvard or Yale. Never mind if your daddy bought the place for you or you were recommended by rich terrorist...nothing a teleprompter can't fix.
Come on people, put two and two together...Romney will be shoved down our throats for the next four years and Palin will get all the snotty elitist scorn that money can buy.
That instead of roughly 5% of the GOP staying home, 67% of the GOP would stay home.
Not a chance, money or not. The current crop of phony Republicans will be tarred and feathered by the time 2012 comes around. They will have no chance. We will have a hard-edged candidate in 2012, the country will be demanding one. And ‘politicians’ like Romney, those who have sold out along the way to get along with the left will get blown away.
Of course it means something...Romney, like McCain from 2000, is the defacto candidate for 2012. Republicans are like that, with the “it’s your turn” mentality...also, because of Palin’s huge national negatives, she’s going to be lumped in with Huckleberry as the “Socon candidate” for now...she’ll have to work at expanding her base in the party to have a shot...magritte
People need to realize that moderate’s are our problem, not our solution.
Well, then stay home and lose. That number of 67% is not realistic at all.
I believe most people around here would call that a net plus for Palin.
A few folks in the conservative media have actually traced some of the anti-Palin smears back to senior McCain folks (I remember seeing something to this effect on the Corner), but I don't know whether these folks are just trying to deflect the blame from themselves, or whether it comes from McCain, himself.
However, the stuff from the Fraudney camp wouldn't make any sense if it didn't come from Fraudney, himself. The McCain staffers need a scapegoat to blame for their own incompetence. The Fraudney folks don't have a similar need.
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